While slashdot quickly publish hacking reports that are "the most likely" funded by the Chinese government, it turns a blind eye [slashdot.org] to the the even more likely report of NSA hacking [datacenterdynamics.com]:
Reports in the Danish media allege that the United States National Security Agency (NSA) spied on Denmark’s government and companies [thedrive.com], including the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and its defense industry firm Terma, as well as other European defense contractors Eurofighter GmbH and Saab, in an attempt to gain information on its fighter acquisition program that was eventually won by the U.S.-made Lockheed Martin F-35. Allegedly, the NSA sought to conduct espionage [ab]using an existing intelligence-sharing agreement between the two countries. Under this agreement, it is said the NSA is able to wiretap fiber-optic communication cables passing through Denmark and stored by the Danish Defense Intelligence Service, or Forsvarets Efterretningstjeneste (FE). This occurred in light of highened scrutiny of the nation's internet and telecom infrastructures. In June, Denmark said it want to be able to exclude 5G technology suppliers from providing critical infrastructure in Denmark if they are not from countries considered security allies, apparently targeting Chinese telecom vendors Huawei and ZTE. “In order to protect Denmark and the Danes, we want to collaborate with someone with whom we already have alliances,” Minister of Defence Trine Bramsen told reporter.
There is a huge difference between a government 'spying' for general protection of country vice directly passing information to companies that then have an advantage competing. The US government does not do espionage and turn that info over to US companies for the purpose of the companies having competitive edge over foreign companies. China does this as regular actions. If you don't understand the difference between this, then education has failed.
There is a huge difference between a government 'spying' for general protection of country vice directly passing information to companies that then have an advantage competing. The US government does not do espionage and turn that info over to US companies for the purpose of the companies having competitive edge over foreign companies. China does this as regular actions.
If you don't understand the difference between this, then education has failed.
This has nothing to do with the security of the US, this is the NSA acting as an industrial espionage service provider for US defence companies by abusing intelligence sharing agreements with US allies. Denmark has posed no threat to the US other than that one time they injured Donald Trump's fragile ego and raised his blood pressure by telling him Greenland is not for sale.
And? That's how the game is played. Of course I'm going to be angry when someone does unto us when we've been doing unto others. You call it hypocrisy. I call it realpolitik. Don't be naïve. One of the core purposes of the state of to look out for the wellbeing and prosperity of its citizens. That includes playing unfair with other nations. If you think for a second that your nation doesn't do it too, assuming you aren't an American, then you are wrong. And if you are an American, everyone does it, stop acting like we are the bad guys because we do it too. Its a fact of life and always has been.
If it makes you angry then you're only hurting yourself.
It's also ridiculous to get angry about someone else doing something you're doing. You don't have any moral high ground, whether it makes sense to do it or not. If it makes sense for you, then it makes sense for them, and your anger is misplaced.
If it makes you angry then you're only hurting yourself.
It's also ridiculous to get angry about someone else doing something you're doing. You don't have any moral high ground, whether it makes sense to do it or not. If it makes sense for you, then it makes sense for them, and your anger is misplaced.
Never mind the fact that Denmark is an ally, an ally the US made an intelligence sharing agreement with which the US is now abusing in a pretty unintelligent and counterproductive way. The Danish and Norwegian F-35 sales have been a done deal for years, they've sunk far to much money into the development of that turkey to suddenly decide not to buy it at the last minute.
The Danish and Norwegian F-35 sales have been a done deal for years, they've sunk far to much money into the development of that turkey to suddenly decide not to buy it at the last minute.
I guess they're trapped in the sunk cost fallacy, then? It still makes more sense not to throw good money after bad, and while it's unlikely to admit a costly mistake, it was still conceivable that they would grow a spine.
Never mind the fact that Denmark is an ally, an ally the US made an intelligence sharing agreement with which the US is now abusing in a pretty unintelligent and counterproductive way.
Counterproductive, maybe. Unintelligent? Unintelligent is signing an intelligence sharing agreement with the US that permits the US to spy on your communications links.
I think you are missing my point entirely. Morals have nothing to do with it. Claiming a moral high ground only serves propaganda purposes. You want to make your actions look good to your own people of course because many, including yourself apparently don't get it. Diplomacy is a zero sum game in a universe with limited resources and entropy. There is no free lunch and a government's responsibility is ultimately to its citizens. All alliances are alliances of convenience. They only last as long as parties
Extremely bias of slashdot? (Score:4, Interesting)
While slashdot quickly publish hacking reports that are "the most likely" funded by the Chinese government, it turns a blind eye [slashdot.org] to the the even more likely report of NSA hacking [datacenterdynamics.com]:
Reports in the Danish media allege that the United States National Security Agency (NSA) spied on Denmark’s government and companies [thedrive.com], including the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and its defense industry firm Terma, as well as other European defense contractors Eurofighter GmbH and Saab, in an attempt to gain information on its fighter acquisition program that was eventually won by the U.S.-made Lockheed Martin F-35. Allegedly, the NSA sought to conduct espionage [ab]using an existing intelligence-sharing agreement between the two countries. Under this agreement, it is said the NSA is able to wiretap fiber-optic communication cables passing through Denmark and stored by the Danish Defense Intelligence Service, or Forsvarets Efterretningstjeneste (FE). This occurred in light of highened scrutiny of the nation's internet and telecom infrastructures. In June, Denmark said it want to be able to exclude 5G technology suppliers from providing critical infrastructure in Denmark if they are not from countries considered security allies, apparently targeting Chinese telecom vendors Huawei and ZTE. “In order to protect Denmark and the Danes, we want to collaborate with someone with whom we already have alliances,” Minister of Defence Trine Bramsen told reporter.
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There is a huge difference between a government 'spying' for general protection of country vice directly passing information to companies that then have an advantage competing. The US government does not do espionage and turn that info over to US companies for the purpose of the companies having competitive edge over foreign companies. China does this as regular actions.
If you don't understand the difference between this, then education has failed.
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There is a huge difference between a government 'spying' for general protection of country vice directly passing information to companies that then have an advantage competing. The US government does not do espionage and turn that info over to US companies for the purpose of the companies having competitive edge over foreign companies. China does this as regular actions. If you don't understand the difference between this, then education has failed.
This has nothing to do with the security of the US, this is the NSA acting as an industrial espionage service provider for US defence companies by abusing intelligence sharing agreements with US allies. Denmark has posed no threat to the US other than that one time they injured Donald Trump's fragile ego and raised his blood pressure by telling him Greenland is not for sale.
Re:Extremely bias of slashdot? (Score:4, Insightful)
And? That's how the game is played. Of course I'm going to be angry when someone does unto us when we've been doing unto others. You call it hypocrisy. I call it realpolitik. Don't be naïve. One of the core purposes of the state of to look out for the wellbeing and prosperity of its citizens. That includes playing unfair with other nations. If you think for a second that your nation doesn't do it too, assuming you aren't an American, then you are wrong. And if you are an American, everyone does it, stop acting like we are the bad guys because we do it too. Its a fact of life and always has been.
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If it makes you angry then you're only hurting yourself.
It's also ridiculous to get angry about someone else doing something you're doing. You don't have any moral high ground, whether it makes sense to do it or not. If it makes sense for you, then it makes sense for them, and your anger is misplaced.
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If it makes you angry then you're only hurting yourself.
It's also ridiculous to get angry about someone else doing something you're doing. You don't have any moral high ground, whether it makes sense to do it or not. If it makes sense for you, then it makes sense for them, and your anger is misplaced.
Never mind the fact that Denmark is an ally, an ally the US made an intelligence sharing agreement with which the US is now abusing in a pretty unintelligent and counterproductive way. The Danish and Norwegian F-35 sales have been a done deal for years, they've sunk far to much money into the development of that turkey to suddenly decide not to buy it at the last minute.
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The Danish and Norwegian F-35 sales have been a done deal for years, they've sunk far to much money into the development of that turkey to suddenly decide not to buy it at the last minute.
I guess they're trapped in the sunk cost fallacy, then? It still makes more sense not to throw good money after bad, and while it's unlikely to admit a costly mistake, it was still conceivable that they would grow a spine.
Never mind the fact that Denmark is an ally, an ally the US made an intelligence sharing agreement with which the US is now abusing in a pretty unintelligent and counterproductive way.
Counterproductive, maybe. Unintelligent? Unintelligent is signing an intelligence sharing agreement with the US that permits the US to spy on your communications links.
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I think you are missing my point entirely. Morals have nothing to do with it. Claiming a moral high ground only serves propaganda purposes. You want to make your actions look good to your own people of course because many, including yourself apparently don't get it. Diplomacy is a zero sum game in a universe with limited resources and entropy. There is no free lunch and a government's responsibility is ultimately to its citizens. All alliances are alliances of convenience. They only last as long as parties
Re: Extremely bias of slashdot? (Score:2)
"The goal of US foreign policy is to enrich the lives of Americans."
Yes, but in the long term shitting on the world means living in a shitty world. That doesn't serve American interests.