This is why you don't trust free-as-in-beer services for anything important. They're almost always operating on terms that make individual users irrelevant to them, and when they do something you have no recourse no matter how egregious their actions. Only depend on something when you have a contract in writing with signatures and everything and you're paying for the service (without payment a court's liable to rule that there wasn't a contract). And read the contract before you sign, because a contract wit
in the last couple years you cannot do things on unrelated sites without authenticating with facebook, twitter, or google. Since I consider facebook the shedevil, I have always had to rely on my google login in order to setup certain things. For example, albeit on iOS, I have to authenticate with google in order to access remote control of an AmpliFi home router, they simply did not code any other authentication methods into it. If you leverage yourself to the be authority on single-sign-on, then blacklisting people should come will fines and penalties of identity theft. By blacklisting them, they have, in fact, stolen someones identity nearly everywhere else in the net. I'm just glad/. has not swapped their login to Google. This literally means that violating a term of service with Youtube suddenly bricks your android device and steals every purchase you have ever made in Google Play. Music, movies, apps, online shopping, google pay, everything. This is worse than the Chinese social credit system.
You are presuming that they actually violated the terms of service. Since Google declined to state HOW they did so, I tend to doubt that they actually did.
It really doesnt matter. There are certain rights you cannot sign away, no matter what term of service you agree to. The more suspension gets to the point you cannot even pay bills, or conduct business, the more these companies need to have their freedoms stolen from them commensurate to what they did. Lock their back accounts. All of them. Lets see how google does when all their accounts are locked down for 75 days. Lets see them make payroll. Lets see how well their employees defend their dictators when t
"There are certain rights you cannot sign away, no matter what term of service you agree to."
Yes, there are. But if you aren't paying for the service, then any kind of denial of that service aren't among them. You can't sign yourself into slavery, but arbitrary denial of access for something you aren't paying for? Yeah, they can do that.
and when you cannot login to something that IS NOT Google? Like your home router, or your online shopping, or any other service specifically NOT google, that uses google authentication instead of maintaining their own user database? What happens when your bank decides to use Facebook authentication and 2FA to log into your bank account? You show up in person and they tell you "I'm sorry but unless you can get another Facebook account, or get Facebook to reinstate you, we cannot help you", what happens then?
So, I have to ask, is there anybody providing a service for a fee that is locking themselves into Google or Facebook or the like for authentication without providing any other way to authenticate? Everyone I've ever seen may give you a Google or Facebook login you can use if you want, but they all provide their own login/password mechanism as well. Can you name a bank that is actually locking its clients into using Facebook? I am willing to admit that if someone has, it's not impossible that I just would
My only remote access into my Amplifi router off net is using google, there was no other option. My only access on my kids chromebooks is using google. Authenticator apps for 2FA (which banks DO use) are bound to your mobile device. If they delete everything google, there goes your phone and everything 2FA. Even the MS authenticator app to access your office365 is bound to your phone for 2FA. Losing your phone or access to your phone is like stealing someones horse in the 1800s. It deprives them of practica
This is why you don't trust free-as-in-beer (Score:5, Insightful)
This is why you don't trust free-as-in-beer services for anything important. They're almost always operating on terms that make individual users irrelevant to them, and when they do something you have no recourse no matter how egregious their actions. Only depend on something when you have a contract in writing with signatures and everything and you're paying for the service (without payment a court's liable to rule that there wasn't a contract). And read the contract before you sign, because a contract wit
Re:This is why you don't trust free-as-in-beer (Score:3)
in the last couple years you cannot do things on unrelated sites without authenticating with facebook, twitter, or google. Since I consider facebook the shedevil, I have always had to rely on my google login in order to setup certain things. For example, albeit on iOS, I have to authenticate with google in order to access remote control of an AmpliFi home router, they simply did not code any other authentication methods into it. If you leverage yourself to the be authority on single-sign-on, then blacklisting people should come will fines and penalties of identity theft. By blacklisting them, they have, in fact, stolen someones identity nearly everywhere else in the net. I'm just glad /. has not swapped their login to Google. This literally means that violating a term of service with Youtube suddenly bricks your android device and steals every purchase you have ever made in Google Play. Music, movies, apps, online shopping, google pay, everything. This is worse than the Chinese social credit system.
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You are presuming that they actually violated the terms of service. Since Google declined to state HOW they did so, I tend to doubt that they actually did.
Re: This is why you don't trust free-as-in-beer (Score:2)
It really doesnt matter. There are certain rights you cannot sign away, no matter what term of service you agree to. The more suspension gets to the point you cannot even pay bills, or conduct business, the more these companies need to have their freedoms stolen from them commensurate to what they did. Lock their back accounts. All of them. Lets see how google does when all their accounts are locked down for 75 days. Lets see them make payroll. Lets see how well their employees defend their dictators when t
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"There are certain rights you cannot sign away, no matter what term of service you agree to."
Yes, there are. But if you aren't paying for the service, then any kind of denial of that service aren't among them. You can't sign yourself into slavery, but arbitrary denial of access for something you aren't paying for? Yeah, they can do that.
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and when you cannot login to something that IS NOT Google? Like your home router, or your online shopping, or any other service specifically NOT google, that uses google authentication instead of maintaining their own user database? What happens when your bank decides to use Facebook authentication and 2FA to log into your bank account? You show up in person and they tell you "I'm sorry but unless you can get another Facebook account, or get Facebook to reinstate you, we cannot help you", what happens then?
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So, I have to ask, is there anybody providing a service for a fee that is locking themselves into Google or Facebook or the like for authentication without providing any other way to authenticate? Everyone I've ever seen may give you a Google or Facebook login you can use if you want, but they all provide their own login/password mechanism as well. Can you name a bank that is actually locking its clients into using Facebook? I am willing to admit that if someone has, it's not impossible that I just would
Re: This is why you don't trust free-as-in-beer (Score:2)
My only remote access into my Amplifi router off net is using google, there was no other option. My only access on my kids chromebooks is using google. Authenticator apps for 2FA (which banks DO use) are bound to your mobile device. If they delete everything google, there goes your phone and everything 2FA. Even the MS authenticator app to access your office365 is bound to your phone for 2FA. Losing your phone or access to your phone is like stealing someones horse in the 1800s. It deprives them of practica