My office has two clear factions. One is those who hate Trump and consider him a great embarrassment and will openly insult him in public at work. The other is people who hate Trump but don't think people should talk politics at work because it's distracting. There has been some conflict between these two groups.
I don't know any knowledge workers, and that includes people who are not degree educated but work in a field that requires professional knowledge, that will admit to supporting Trump. The only peopl
There's a guy in my office who brought it up in a pro trump manner but when asked about what trump has actually done thats good all he could come up with was "other stuff" and then refused to elaborate on what stuff that was before he got all pissed off a stormed out.
There's a guy in my office who brought it up in a pro trump manner but when asked about what trump has actually done thats good all he could come up with was "other stuff" and then refused to elaborate on what stuff that was before he got all pissed off a stormed out.
Wow, still peddling that lie are you? I thought that died years ago.
For anyone not familiar deaf people sometimes wave their hands instead of clapping, because obviously they can't hear the applause. Some venue asked hearing people to do it for the benefit of the deaf people in attendance and right wing social media lost it's mind, triggered by outrage merchants making videos and blog posts about it.
Most of them moved on after a day or two but apparently not ruddk.
I remember it from Occupy Wall Street, people would "jazz hands" to show approval of speakers who were un aided by a sound system, so as to not interrupting or overwhelm them.
Actually he has done quite a bit, he has gotten nationâ(TM)s top talk together (Israel and Saudi, N/S Korea), rolled back regulations, and made it so that the DEA is not sending out live letters for importing meds. That last one was packaged with the ability to treat your condition as you and your physician see fit even if it is not even a phase 1 trial.
One may not like the language or manner he achieved it, but he has done more, for minorities and alternative lifestyles than any recent president.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh you are serious? In that case HAHAfuckingHA. More for minorities and alternative lifestyles? Is that why you've got race riots going and muslim bans and a massive boner for building a huge wall to keep the browns out? Hows that wall coming by the way? And the regulations he's rolled back are the ones offering protections to those groups and the environment in general putting everyone at risk, but they will be dead by the time those consequences really hit so who cares, right?
This post is exactly what I expect from someone who is ready to vote for a person who has been in government for 40 years, has a track record of abusing minorities and has no real agenda except to bash the person currently in charge. The "race riots" are not started by conservatives, they are being funded and coordinated by outside influences. As far as a wall to "keep browns out", if you see it that way, I can't help you. The wall is going up to combat criminals who would come to our country illegally. Kee
And this is what I expect from someone who is happy to vote for failed businessman come d list celebrity wannabe dictator. The race riots were started by people fed up of being shit on by those with power and those with power responding by shitting on them harder. What has trump done to appease that? Nothing, He's happy to make it worse by adding to the shit from an even greater height though. Its easy to just say outside influences and then leave it at that isn't it? How could you see it any other way when
Let me guess, it's all secret money coming from George Soros! Man, that guy must have deep pockets. He's probably at home making the protest signs himself.
To those who claim the race riots etc are the result of the president, notice how employment has gone up for those typically considered disenfranchised.
Notice how as a % of support the current president has a much higher number. And all of this for a guy that reminds people of my generation of Clint Eastwoodâ(TM)s companion orangutan Clyde.
I imagine someone in a cold crumbling office with broken windows and a leaky roof, sitting on a crate in front of an ancient windows XP desktop posting pro-trump comments. He got laid off from his last job and had to do something, ANYTHING, in order to pay some of his rent arrears. He is too desperate to care that he is writing lies that nobody would ever believe and too scared of his shouting boss to slow down in his posting or even to go to the toilet.
It would take desperation for anyone to suggest that r
I wish I had a favorable mod point I could give you, even though you forgot to mention Covid-19, Trump's greatest failure (so far) or Trump's debts (that motivate his desperation).
And if you don't like it, don't be a whiny bitch. Work to get those things codified into the constitution, so that they are federal issues.
It is a federal issue. No new laws were passed federally. States were trying to cross the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment with the way their laws were written. State laws were struck down as unconstitutional.
Conservatives had their plan backfire when the supreme court said the states could decide and all the states decided it was fine for two adults to marry.
North Korea doesn't seem to have moved much at all, if anything it's gone backwards. Cooperation in the border region has deteriorated, and with Japan on the issue of historic kidnappings too.
Kim played Trump like a fiddle. Went from being a little tin-pot dictator to a player on the world stage, a nuclear power that commands respect and an audience with the most powerful nations on Earth.
What has he done for "alternative lifestyles"? Even just calling them that is an insult, being gay or trans is intrinsic and not a lifestyle choice. Well on day one he got rid of the LGBT section of the White House website and hasn't replaced it, then tried to ban trans people from the military. Oh and he wanted to get rid of Obamacare which many trans people rely on. Anything else he has done "for" them?
Yes yes Kim and his THERMONUCLEAR WEAPONS MOUNTED ON INTERCONTINENTAL MISSILES were a big fucking joke until the Orange Man deigned to attempt diplomacy; only THEN did Kim become relevant. Lefists and their magical thinking never cease to astound me.
One may not like the language or manner he achieved it, but he has done more, for minorities and alternative lifestyles than any recent president.
LOL. This is where issues are overshadowed by politics. Some of the things you list are interesting, controversial, and worthy of discussion. But then there's always something like "and he's the greatest man to ever live" thrown in at the end just to troll people.
the DEA is not sending out live letters for importing meds
This one is new to me - can you expand on it? What are "live letters?" I think I know a family who went to Canada to buy EpiPens, and I wondered if that was illegal. Was the DEA trying to stop medical tourism?
So the national talks are important to you but you don't feel they're offset by the loss of hegemony with the whole business with the Kurds and bombing our own weapons caches? That's what upset most of the NatSec folks. Between them and the Biodefense/NIAID/BARDA folks and I agree with grandparent that among knowledge workers it is... lefties that hate Trump and righties that hate Trump. From social media, he still seems to have some of the HVAC guys.
Good things may have happened while Trump has been President, but I would not suggest that he is automatically personally responsible for those good things. Political leaders are subject to fortunes beyond their control. Cynically, a great leader is someone who takes credit for successes that came about anyway, and a poor leader is one that is unlucky to preside over an unavoidable crisis.
[...]That last one was packaged with the ability to treat your condition as you and your physician see fit even if it is not even a phase 1 trial.
Paying for medications that haven't passed a phase 1 trial sounds like a horrible thing. Wasting money on stuff some charlatan passes off as a miracle cure.
Reminds me of the "What's the worst that could happen?" nonsense about hydroxychloroqine during the early Covid days.
You want to know what's the worst that could happen? Take an individual that would have been interested in an experimental trial (trial drugs are paid for by the people that run the trial) and give them a phase 1 drug that isn't in the t
Are you sincerely stupid? (Evidence in the inability to Preview.) Or proudly ignorant? Or paid to fake it?
Actually, I only want to know who you hate most. You can refer to the list in my longer comment and just use the numbers.
And yes, I know I shouldn't feed a troll. The paid ones probably get bonus payments for the replies they receive. And even if nuked, the trolls just respawn fresh sock puppets.
And no, I don't believe there are any sane Trump supporters left at this point. The smart ones have already c
Honestly, most politicians across the world rarely do something good once you discount just lucky things that happened during their term they take credit for.
Either it just happened and would just have happened the same with a monkey with a top hat being president or if they happened to make / prevent some change, people don't agree if its good or bad.
Best example is your president pissing on China's leg. Was it overdue for a long time? Is he cluelessly destroying the US economy? It depends on what you belie
"Other stuff he did that's good" is a euphemism for "Bad stuff he did that I don't mind... But I'm too chickenshit to say openly cause you'll all accuse me of being a racist fascist mysoginist pig - and I'm not a pig!"
Deportation of illegal immigrants (not rewarding bad behavior). Rapid deportation of those caught crossing the border. For the record, open immigration was only allowed from our founding until the early 1900s, when we found a lot of problems created by it. During colonial times, you needed permission to immigrate.
Defused tensions with North Korea
Israel now has peace agreements with UAE and Bahrain
Deportation of illegal immigrants (not rewarding bad behavior). Rapid deportation of those caught crossing the border. For the record, open immigration was only allowed from our founding until the early 1900s, when we found a lot of problems created by it. During colonial times, you needed permission to immigrate.
The US is a signatory to a treaty (which carries the force of US law, superceding all but the Constitution) that makes it legal to cross the border anywhere to seek refuge so long as they're able to present themselves to border agents shortly after crossing. Putting in an artificial throttling at the official border crossing is trying to deny access to something that we said we would do - we're the ones violating things here.
Defused tensions with North Korea
Isn't North Korea in the process of testing new ICBMs right now?
The US is a signatory to a treaty (which carries the force of US law, superceding all but the Constitution) that makes it legal to cross the border anywhere to seek refuge so long as they're able to present themselves to border agents shortly after crossing.
You of course leave out the fact that refugee status requires fleeing a war or imminent death by political persecution. Neither are occurring in Mexico or Central America.
Isn't North Korea in the process of testing new ICBMs right now?
Are we imminently looking at a war with them? Did Kim not see what was done to Qaddafi despite changing his policies and feel the need to secure himself?
Trade war with China -> He doesn't understand how Tariffs work. This barely hurts China at all and it ends up falling to the American citizens. They just raise the prices.
Renegotiated NAFTA with wage minimums-> Here in Canada we noted that basically nothing was changed other than rebranding it.
Deportation of illegal immigrants (not rewarding bad behavior). Rapid deportation of those caught crossing the border. -> He's also jailed tonnes of asylum seekers... something that is legally allowed
Two clear factions in my office (Score:5, Interesting)
My office has two clear factions. One is those who hate Trump and consider him a great embarrassment and will openly insult him in public at work. The other is people who hate Trump but don't think people should talk politics at work because it's distracting. There has been some conflict between these two groups.
I don't know any knowledge workers, and that includes people who are not degree educated but work in a field that requires professional knowledge, that will admit to supporting Trump. The only peopl
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"Dang" (Score:5, Funny)
There's a guy in my office who brought it up in a pro trump manner but when asked about what trump has actually done thats good all he could come up with was "other stuff" and then refused to elaborate on what stuff that was before he got all pissed off a stormed out.
Did the whole office clap?
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Of course not, that would have been "triggering" to some. I believe that "jazz hands" are the appropriate response.
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Wow, still peddling that lie are you? I thought that died years ago.
For anyone not familiar deaf people sometimes wave their hands instead of clapping, because obviously they can't hear the applause. Some venue asked hearing people to do it for the benefit of the deaf people in attendance and right wing social media lost it's mind, triggered by outrage merchants making videos and blog posts about it.
Most of them moved on after a day or two but apparently not ruddk.
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Even if it were untrue, it's still a funny idea.
Yes, just for deaf people [twitter.com] and it's only right wing social media [twitter.com] that bought into it. :)
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I remember it from Occupy Wall Street, people would "jazz hands" to show approval of speakers who were un aided by a sound system, so as to not interrupting or overwhelm them.
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Actually he has done quite a bit, he has gotten nationâ(TM)s top talk together (Israel and Saudi, N/S Korea), rolled back regulations, and made it so that the DEA is not sending out live letters for importing meds. That last one was packaged with the ability to treat your condition as you and your physician see fit even if it is not even a phase 1 trial.
One may not like the language or manner he achieved it, but he has done more, for minorities and alternative lifestyles than any recent president.
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This post is exactly what I expect from someone who is ready to vote for a person who has been in government for 40 years, has a track record of abusing minorities and has no real agenda except to bash the person currently in charge. The "race riots" are not started by conservatives, they are being funded and coordinated by outside influences. As far as a wall to "keep browns out", if you see it that way, I can't help you. The wall is going up to combat criminals who would come to our country illegally. Kee
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To those who claim the race riots etc are the result of the president, notice how employment has gone up for those typically considered disenfranchised.
Notice how as a % of support the current president has a much higher number. And all of this for a guy that reminds people of my generation of Clint Eastwoodâ(TM)s companion orangutan Clyde.
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I can picture Trump drafting an executive order. Hire more of the blacks! I need those votes!
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I imagine someone in a cold crumbling office with broken windows and a leaky roof, sitting on a crate in front of an ancient windows XP desktop posting pro-trump comments. He got laid off from his last job and had to do something, ANYTHING, in order to pay some of his rent arrears. He is too desperate to care that he is writing lies that nobody would ever believe and too scared of his shouting boss to slow down in his posting or even to go to the toilet.
It would take desperation for anyone to suggest that r
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I wish I had a favorable mod point I could give you, even though you forgot to mention Covid-19, Trump's greatest failure (so far) or Trump's debts (that motivate his desperation).
Alternative lifestyles? (Score:1)
His recent supreme court nominee would roll back gay marriage in a heartbeat. Probably make birth control illegal too being a staunch catholic.
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And if you don't like it, don't be a whiny bitch. Work to get those things codified into the constitution, so that they are federal issues.
It is a federal issue. No new laws were passed federally. States were trying to cross the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment with the way their laws were written. State laws were struck down as unconstitutional.
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Conservatives had their plan backfire when the supreme court said the states could decide and all the states decided it was fine for two adults to marry.
Re: Two clear factions in my office (Score:5, Informative)
North Korea doesn't seem to have moved much at all, if anything it's gone backwards. Cooperation in the border region has deteriorated, and with Japan on the issue of historic kidnappings too.
Kim played Trump like a fiddle. Went from being a little tin-pot dictator to a player on the world stage, a nuclear power that commands respect and an audience with the most powerful nations on Earth.
What has he done for "alternative lifestyles"? Even just calling them that is an insult, being gay or trans is intrinsic and not a lifestyle choice. Well on day one he got rid of the LGBT section of the White House website and hasn't replaced it, then tried to ban trans people from the military. Oh and he wanted to get rid of Obamacare which many trans people rely on. Anything else he has done "for" them?
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Yes yes Kim and his THERMONUCLEAR WEAPONS MOUNTED ON INTERCONTINENTAL MISSILES were a big fucking joke until the Orange Man deigned to attempt diplomacy; only THEN did Kim become relevant. Lefists and their magical thinking never cease to astound me.
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One may not like the language or manner he achieved it, but he has done more, for minorities and alternative lifestyles than any recent president.
LOL. This is where issues are overshadowed by politics. Some of the things you list are interesting, controversial, and worthy of discussion. But then there's always something like "and he's the greatest man to ever live" thrown in at the end just to troll people.
the DEA is not sending out live letters for importing meds
This one is new to me - can you expand on it? What are "live letters?" I think I know a family who went to Canada to buy EpiPens, and I wondered if that was illegal. Was the DEA trying to stop medical tourism?
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Actually he has done quite a bit ...
Good things may have happened while Trump has been President, but I would not suggest that he is automatically personally responsible for those good things. Political leaders are subject to fortunes beyond their control. Cynically, a great leader is someone who takes credit for successes that came about anyway, and a poor leader is one that is unlucky to preside over an unavoidable crisis.
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[...]That last one was packaged with the ability to treat your condition as you and your physician see fit even if it is not even a phase 1 trial.
Paying for medications that haven't passed a phase 1 trial sounds like a horrible thing. Wasting money on stuff some charlatan passes off as a miracle cure.
Reminds me of the "What's the worst that could happen?" nonsense about hydroxychloroqine during the early Covid days.
You want to know what's the worst that could happen? Take an individual that would have been interested in an experimental trial (trial drugs are paid for by the people that run the trial) and give them a phase 1 drug that isn't in the t
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Are you sincerely stupid? (Evidence in the inability to Preview.) Or proudly ignorant? Or paid to fake it?
Actually, I only want to know who you hate most. You can refer to the list in my longer comment and just use the numbers.
And yes, I know I shouldn't feed a troll. The paid ones probably get bonus payments for the replies they receive. And even if nuked, the trolls just respawn fresh sock puppets.
And no, I don't believe there are any sane Trump supporters left at this point. The smart ones have already c
Politicians doing good deeds? (Score:2)
Honestly, most politicians across the world rarely do something good once you discount just lucky things that happened during their term they take credit for.
Either it just happened and would just have happened the same with a monkey with a top hat being president
or if they happened to make / prevent some change, people don't agree if its good or bad.
Best example is your president pissing on China's leg. Was it overdue for a long time? Is he cluelessly destroying the US economy? It depends on what you belie
It's a euphemism... (Score:2)
"Other stuff he did that's good" is a euphemism for "Bad stuff he did that I don't mind... But I'm too chickenshit to say openly cause you'll all accuse me of being a racist fascist mysoginist pig - and I'm not a pig!"
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Yeah that trade war was so helpful. When my company buys parts from Digikey we pay a tariff now. Thanks orange man.
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Sure let me just spin up a chip fab overnight and be competitive with Asian labor prices.
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Deportation of illegal immigrants (not rewarding bad behavior). Rapid deportation of those caught crossing the border. For the record, open immigration was only allowed from our founding until the early 1900s, when we found a lot of problems created by it. During colonial times, you needed permission to immigrate.
The US is a signatory to a treaty (which carries the force of US law, superceding all but the Constitution) that makes it legal to cross the border anywhere to seek refuge so long as they're able to present themselves to border agents shortly after crossing. Putting in an artificial throttling at the official border crossing is trying to deny access to something that we said we would do - we're the ones violating things here.
Defused tensions with North Korea
Isn't North Korea in the process of testing new ICBMs right now?
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The US is a signatory to a treaty (which carries the force of US law, superceding all but the Constitution) that makes it legal to cross the border anywhere to seek refuge so long as they're able to present themselves to border agents shortly after crossing.
You of course leave out the fact that refugee status requires fleeing a war or imminent death by political persecution. Neither are occurring in Mexico or Central America.
Isn't North Korea in the process of testing new ICBMs right now?
Are we imminently looking at a war with them? Did Kim not see what was done to Qaddafi despite changing his policies and feel the need to secure himself?
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