Not everyone struggles, but if you're in an expensive region and your employees have roommates and spend the majority of their income on living costs, you're already not paying them enough.
Conversely, you may be paying them too much since they clearly don't have good decisionmaking skills if they're X years old and still doubled up with roommates just for the privilege of saying they work for Y.
Lots of people donâ(TM)t have the option of picking and choosing employers, especially kids. And in less-expensive places, the pay can be less than linear wrt cost of living. College costs have increased more than linearly and need to be paid back.
If your college degree was too expensive to pay back with the job it qualified you for, you either chose the wrong credential, the wrong school to get it from, the wrong line of work to pursue with that credential, the wrong city, or some combination of the four.
Plenty of people have made it work and continue to make it work by not trying to live beyond their means with respect to the name on the place that issues them a piece of paper in exchange for currency and with
The hard line is ability to drive or not. If rural and only a single driver (who needs medical care) then no matter how mediocre your local clinic is, you cannot get there.
Also, although it is unlikely on/., you may have friendly neighbors who will drive you to the clinic. Or heaven forbid you pay some kid fifty bucks to give you a lift.
Confused by this... What is unlikely on/.? Friendly neighbors, or the statement that there are friendly neighbors?
I love that trope, the suburban or rural "friendly neighbor". I live in a suburban-style area (in West Los Angeles, but single family homes, front yards, etc.; tract housing built by Hughes in the 40s). We had a neighbor who was litigious about borders -- he cut our irrigation pipes because he said we were infringing on his land.
So he hired a surveyor, and found that our border extended a
A person can be in awfully bad condition and still drive a car.
You may not be aware of it, but there are these things called "friends" that will help you in an emergency.
As noted above, there are ambulances.
You should get paid what the jobs worth. if you cant get a job you should adjust your expectation and ask less. post covid remote work anywhere should readily be accepted. if you want to work remote you should, and if you want to move somewhere cheap and cash in, do it. why should it make any difference to your employer where you are other than time zone differences? move to a cheaper area and take a cut? ppfft. say you live in a nice area, get the job and move to an expensive city then? makes no sense....
Wait, what? Do you not have ambulances in America? Here, in the UK, if you need to, you can call 999 and a sort of moving-hospital-on-wheels along with a trained medic will come out to you, either treating you where you are or transporting you to another hospital. You can be anywhere in the country - even on top of the most remote mountain - and the same applies (although if you're on a mountain they tend to send a helicopter instead, which is even more fun). And you don't get billed afterwards for the priv
You are partially correct. However, you need to factor in where people are in terms of their career. Just out of college? Expect to need one or more roommates or live with your parents. Working for a start-up? You get long hours and low pay in the hopes of a massive payout later. This is often more "doable" when you are young and still have the energy and haven't started a family.
As for city vs. rural vs. suburbia: Is the city accessible by bicycle for most of the year? If so, you may be able to live in th
Are you talking about a nice version of the current US healthcare system? Like if we worked really hard, we can improve it to that state for most people?
Why would I want to live anywhere where I couldn’t drive to a grocery store?
Believe it or not there's a distinction between can and have to drive.
Why do I want to minimize driving?
Because it takes time and money?
Why don’t you think I want a bigger house so I space for family or to entertain?
Why do you think this is mutually exclusive?
- You need to drive to get groceries
Why is that I bad thing?
Because it takes time and money?
- You need a car to do pretty much anything but sit home and watch TV or work on the PC.
With a car, I can go where ever I want, when ever I want unlike faggots without cars.
Good luck with that in London...
- You need to drive back to the major city to have any medical procedure done that involves an anesthesiologist
Actually I don’t. But keep being an ignorant faggot.
Wow - such cogent arguments.
- Cost of maintaining a larger home
- Cost of heating a larger home
Being outside the city, you’re home is most likely new construction. Modern homes are more energy efficient than the shit homes they have in cities. Being new that way lower maintained and heating and cooling c
It doesn’t quite work like that... although I will admit to living/thinking that way on some points, at least in the past. At just shy of 50 I bought my first car last week, and couldn’t be happier.
The problem with cutting pay based on location is that cost of living indexes are a terrible metric for quality of life vs salary... much of which is really a function of individual needs.
The problem with cutting pay based on location is that cost of living indexes are a terrible metric for quality of life vs salary... much of which is really a function of individual needs.
Yeah, but still, a 10% reduction is almost nothing. That's likely to be a HUGE increase in pay compared with the Bay Area after adjusting for cost of living in most places.
For example, I could buy my parents' ~3500-square-foot house (plus a basement) in West Tennessee outright for about what I make in a year (including stocks and stuff). Here, that house would cost my entire salary for the rest of my life. So instead of spending an average of 47% of your salary on rent (S.F.), you've paid for a starter h
Are you saying that Memphis is so bad that it would be like a 75% pay cut? Yeah, the mall where we ice skated as kids getting shut down after too many gang stabbings doesn't exactly make me want to live there, but it isn't that much worse than SF. And at least there's no poop on the streets, last I checked.:-)
Besides, West TN is more than just Memphis. Jackson, for example, has all of the amenities of a big city, but with a much lower crime rate. You'll have to drive a car, of course, because it is sp
Got it. I would think it's closer to $80k, but it depends a lot on how much of your money you're spending on things that are cheaper (e.g. rent, utilities, food, gasoline, income tax) and how much you're spending on things that aren't (e.g. computers, Tesla cars, stocks/401k contributions).
Of course, what they were talking about was businesses offering to give you a bonus to move away, then pay just 10% less, which on a $200k salary would IMO be a huge salary bump almost anywhere other than NYC no matte
Easy to see someone born rich, free, to make their choices they feel like. No money, no choice, you go where you can get a job at the time. Not I'll wait a year, live in a cardboard box and not eat, so I can get a job where I want it. Does not happen, that way, you make the best of what you have accessible as a POOR person, no fucking choice ever, take what you can get when you can get it, no fucking rich parents to support your lazy ass. You even join the military, where you try to murder people and people try to murder you, want fun, I am sure everyone who chooses that chooses it because they want their body mangled on the battlefield, and get, support you troops when you get home, oh wait you are a mangled useless shit head now, no longer one of the troops, you wasted all that expensive training getting blown apart because you were shite troops, suffer fucker, nothing for you.
Ahh yes, all those choices the nepotistic spawn get to make when their well off parents make them all accessible, ohhh and the 'poor' little already rich darlings did it so hard, they had to put up with all the nasty poor people, as they climbed the poor as rungs on the ladder to success.
Fucking company pays me for what I do not where the fuck I live, that is my choice, company are just a lying pack of cunts seeking to inflate their profit margins.
Fucking company pays me for what I do not where the fuck I live, that is my choice,
Hit it right on the head...
And I'll take it a step further: company never gave a fuck where I lived before - a 10 min walk or a 3h commute, expensive neighborhood or cheap one - as long as I did my job so why the fuck do the fucks fucking care where the fuck I fucking live all of a fucking sudden? Oh wait, it's because they see fucking dollar signs.
If we want to play this game, then I'll move to the pricey part of town and demand a raise based on the same metric.
Fucking company pays me for what I do not where the fuck I live, that is my choice, company are just a lying pack of cunts seeking to inflate their profit margins.
And part of what you “do” is go into the office. In this case, the company has decided that the value they get out of that is worth 10% of your salary.
You may disagree, but then, you may also search for a new job.
And part of what you âoedoâ is go into the office.
Did not do. Facebook decided it was no longer necessary what with a global pandemic and everything to come into the office. The only thing that tied people to a location was that requirement which has been withdrawn for now.
At this point they are only being paid for the work they do at home.
They aren't saying coming in to the office is worth 10% of your salary, though. If you work from home but stay in the city you'll see no change in pay.
I have a 3 hour commute (taking both directions into consideration), while I'm lucky that work has pretty much always permitted me to work from home, I have never in any way been compensated for the extra time or travel when I did. Makes sense, because the company wasn't responsible for me living here, and I could try to find closer work if I really wanted to. And to that end, I don't think they should be able to pay employees less because they happen to live closer.
You can complain but companies have to pay more based on location or nobody would even apply in those locations! If housing costs 50% more in one location then they must pay more for the std of living.
What someone is 'worth is more a function of the disposable income (that he is left with) after housing, taxes and area specific costs are accounted for.
OK, really? Not sure what your issue is with the military, but most of the jobs there are technicians, not combat types, and getting training and experience as a technician is a great base for a lot of jobs out there, ones that remain in demand and pay good wages...
Spoken like a true dumbass that has never tried to run a business.
1st on the military, you can join the air force (which never get shot at) and are mainly office jobs. You can join the Navy which almost never get shot at and only risk is themselves crashing a ship into a freighter.
And they pay for your school.
Or, you can live in a normal low tax state like Florida where they will pay for your tuition to go to college if you can do some basic reading and writing.
The lottery pays for that and its availa
you can join the air force (which never get shot at)
Really? An uncle of mine was in the air force and was very nearly killed by a sniper when he was sunbathing. His job was one of those office ones, but there's often a need to be 'in country'.
You can join the Navy which almost never get shot at and only risk is themselves crashing a ship into a freighter.
There is so much spectacular madness right here that I couldn't possibly cover it in its entirety, so I'll just highlight one daft point: You do not need a garage to "protect your car from the climate". I live in Canada. Sometimes my car plows through snow drifts higher than its wheels just to get onto the main road. It sits out on the drive in -35 no problem, and even gets dumped on by Toronto's infamous yearly ice storms when they decide that fucking the GTA isn't enough and they want to take out the rest
Just what do you think you have to stockpile if you live far from the city?
Food. Toilet paper. You already have a refrigerator, you don't need a second one to store several weeks of food that needs to be cold, for yourself and family. Canned and boxed foods, a couple of cubic feet. Toilet paper, the same. You don't need a bigger house for 4 cubic feet.
Even in nasty places like northern New England, rural cars are as likely to be out in the snow as they are to be in a garage. If someone has to make a choice
This reads like it was written by someone whoâ(TM)s only knowledge of rural areas comes from books or wikipedia. I sincerely question if you have ever lived in a rural area or even know someone who does.
- You need a car to do pretty much anything but sit home and watch TV or work on the PC.
You have this backwards; only in a polluted city are the choices reduces to TV and the computer.
In a rural home you have access to a wide variety of activities that would be unavailable at home to most city dwellers. You can even pick up an old metal lathe and run it in a shed and nobody complains. You can observe nature. You can grow plants. You can ride a bicycle to a trailhead and walk up the mountain through the forest. Even if you're a boring teevee-head, you can open a window and press mute during the
Bike riding in rural areas can be very dangerous. Which is why it's so niche. You can do everything else you've mentioned in urban areas too. Plus you have access to a whole lot more cheap second hand stuff, if that's your bag.
You're obviously too fat to even attempt riding a bicycle, normal humans already understand that riding a bicycle in most cities is fucking dangerous. The only rural roads you know about are the ones that connect the cities, that's why you think rural locations are dangerous; they're all on highways! D'oh!
Smaller rural roads often have limited sight lines in places like the UK and no lighting (fine if you like high-vis clothing). It's very easy for a car to come round a corner and take you out. You may also need to be well away from the edge of the road due to bushes which increases risk where there are blind corners.
In a rural home you have access to a wide variety of activities that would be unavailable at home to most city dwellers.
The reverse is also true - it depends what you like to do. If it's go to nightclubs or the theatre on a regular basis then a rural home isn't ideal. If it's spend time in a forest five times a week, then don't live in a city.
Like I've said before, prior to 2020, minimum wage should be around $50/hour. Entry level software engineering jobs should be at least $500k/year. The fed keeps devaluing our currency but our wages haven't changed to reflect it.
Median income in the US should be around $100K instead of $50k. Software developers should be pulling down at least $200k, entry level. Just because your imagination is too small to see an alternative we're all supposed to suffer?
Depends on the quality of software developer, doesn't it? If an American cost $200k, what does a non-American cost? Businesses are there to make money after all.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to make 100k because I make near the median US income. Of course, I also feel my job pays adequately for what I do. Would I like more money? Sure. Can I even bullshit myself and say I deserve that much more? Not a chance. Though I'm honest about this shit too.
Of course, minimum wage should be half of what it is and I
Screw pay cuts for moving. Virtual mail boxes are cheap. Hiring friends is cheap. Relatives that live in the city is cheap. To the company, I never moved.
Will Stripe pay me $20,000 if I already live in a non-crappy city? Maybe I should move to CA for a month, grab my $20,000, and head back to a better state?
As an economist, I'll note that it's trivially easy to explain why employers would pay women less than men, or black less than white, etc.
What we *cannot* explain is why any idiot would pay men more than women, or whites more than blacks.
And here, the question is why any sane employer would pay an employee Silicon Valley wages when he could hire someone in a rural area for a lower salary that let the employee live like a prince there . ..
there are Reasonable Commuting Area bumps to base salary for more expensive cities long in the contract at my telco, for instance. long before my 24 years started there.
God forbid an employee...a mere EMPLOYEE without a C-level title makes a move in THEIR PERSONAL LIFE that benefits them directly, personally, and gives them a better lifestyle.
Somehow corporations believe they're entitled to increase their profits on that basis?? Sorry-not-sorry but that's outright insanity and such ridiculously blatant corporate greed that my my cuss filter is barely holding here.
This gives corporations yet another way to control the personal lives of employees. To head off the "but you
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Lots of people donâ(TM)t have the option of picking and choosing employers, especially kids. And in less-expensive places, the pay can be less than linear wrt cost of living. College costs have increased more than linearly and need to be paid back.
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If your college degree was too expensive to pay back with the job it qualified you for, you either chose the wrong credential, the wrong school to get it from, the wrong line of work to pursue with that credential, the wrong city, or some combination of the four.
Plenty of people have made it work and continue to make it work by not trying to live beyond their means with respect to the name on the place that issues them a piece of paper in exchange for currency and with
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The hard line is ability to drive or not. If rural and only a single driver (who needs medical care) then no matter how mediocre your local clinic is, you cannot get there.
Near past the suburbs is not rural.
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Also, although it is unlikely on /., you may have friendly neighbors who will drive you to the clinic. Or heaven forbid you pay some kid fifty bucks to give you a lift.
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I love that trope, the suburban or rural "friendly neighbor". I live in a suburban-style area (in West Los Angeles, but single family homes, front yards, etc.; tract housing built by Hughes in the 40s). We had a neighbor who was litigious about borders -- he cut our irrigation pipes because he said we were infringing on his land.
So he hired a surveyor, and found that our border extended a
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You may not be aware of it, but there are these things called "friends" that will help you in an emergency.
As noted above, there are ambulances.
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Wait, what? Do you not have ambulances in America? Here, in the UK, if you need to, you can call 999 and a sort of moving-hospital-on-wheels along with a trained medic will come out to you, either treating you where you are or transporting you to another hospital. You can be anywhere in the country - even on top of the most remote mountain - and the same applies (although if you're on a mountain they tend to send a helicopter instead, which is even more fun). And you don't get billed afterwards for the priv
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You are partially correct. However, you need to factor in where people are in terms of their career. Just out of college? Expect to need one or more roommates or live with your parents. Working for a start-up? You get long hours and low pay in the hopes of a massive payout later. This is often more "doable" when you are young and still have the energy and haven't started a family.
As for city vs. rural vs. suburbia: Is the city accessible by bicycle for most of the year? If so, you may be able to live in th
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" Working for a start-up? You get long hours and low pay in the hopes of a massive payout later. "
Oh... You mean gold rush mentality.
See the post about people who shouldn't be able to be hired due to poor thinking.
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Are you talking about a nice version of the current US healthcare system? Like if we worked really hard, we can improve it to that state for most people?
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Why would I want to live anywhere where I couldn’t drive to a grocery store?
Believe it or not there's a distinction between can and have to drive.
Why do I want to minimize driving?
Because it takes time and money?
Why don’t you think I want a bigger house so I space for family or to entertain?
Why do you think this is mutually exclusive?
- You need to drive to get groceries
Why is that I bad thing?
Because it takes time and money?
- You need a car to do pretty much anything but sit home and watch TV or work on the PC.
With a car, I can go where ever I want, when ever I want unlike faggots without cars.
Good luck with that in London...
- You need to drive back to the major city to have any medical procedure done that involves an anesthesiologist
Actually I don’t. But keep being an ignorant faggot.
Wow - such cogent arguments.
- Cost of maintaining a larger home - Cost of heating a larger home
Being outside the city, you’re home is most likely new construction. Modern homes are more energy efficient than the shit homes they have in cities. Being new that way lower maintained and heating and cooling c
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The problem with cutting pay based on location is that cost of living indexes are a terrible metric for quality of life vs salary... much of which is really a function of individual needs.
Yeah, but still, a 10% reduction is almost nothing. That's likely to be a HUGE increase in pay compared with the Bay Area after adjusting for cost of living in most places.
For example, I could buy my parents' ~3500-square-foot house (plus a basement) in West Tennessee outright for about what I make in a year (including stocks and stuff). Here, that house would cost my entire salary for the rest of my life. So instead of spending an average of 47% of your salary on rent (S.F.), you've paid for a starter h
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Are you saying that Memphis is so bad that it would be like a 75% pay cut? Yeah, the mall where we ice skated as kids getting shut down after too many gang stabbings doesn't exactly make me want to live there, but it isn't that much worse than SF. And at least there's no poop on the streets, last I checked. :-)
Besides, West TN is more than just Memphis. Jackson, for example, has all of the amenities of a big city, but with a much lower crime rate. You'll have to drive a car, of course, because it is sp
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Got it. I would think it's closer to $80k, but it depends a lot on how much of your money you're spending on things that are cheaper (e.g. rent, utilities, food, gasoline, income tax) and how much you're spending on things that aren't (e.g. computers, Tesla cars, stocks/401k contributions).
Of course, what they were talking about was businesses offering to give you a bonus to move away, then pay just 10% less, which on a $200k salary would IMO be a huge salary bump almost anywhere other than NYC no matte
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Hire security to protect you from your neighbors, and ship in edible food
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... ship in edible food
Them's fightin' words. :-D
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Your neighbors won't bother you until you start making baseless demands out of them. Being you just showed up, you don't get to make baseless demands.
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Easy to see someone born rich, free, to make their choices they feel like. No money, no choice, you go where you can get a job at the time. Not I'll wait a year, live in a cardboard box and not eat, so I can get a job where I want it. Does not happen, that way, you make the best of what you have accessible as a POOR person, no fucking choice ever, take what you can get when you can get it, no fucking rich parents to support your lazy ass. You even join the military, where you try to murder people and people try to murder you, want fun, I am sure everyone who chooses that chooses it because they want their body mangled on the battlefield, and get, support you troops when you get home, oh wait you are a mangled useless shit head now, no longer one of the troops, you wasted all that expensive training getting blown apart because you were shite troops, suffer fucker, nothing for you.
Ahh yes, all those choices the nepotistic spawn get to make when their well off parents make them all accessible, ohhh and the 'poor' little already rich darlings did it so hard, they had to put up with all the nasty poor people, as they climbed the poor as rungs on the ladder to success.
Fucking company pays me for what I do not where the fuck I live, that is my choice, company are just a lying pack of cunts seeking to inflate their profit margins.
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Goddammit....where are my mod points when I need them?
A little crude in the wording and punctuation, but very good points made.
Especially:
Fucking company pays me for what I do not where the fuck I live, that is my choice,
Hit it right on the head...
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Especially:
Fucking company pays me for what I do not where the fuck I live, that is my choice,
Hit it right on the head...
And I'll take it a step further: company never gave a fuck where I lived before - a 10 min walk or a 3h commute, expensive neighborhood or cheap one - as long as I did my job so why the fuck do the fucks fucking care where the fuck I fucking live all of a fucking sudden? Oh wait, it's because they see fucking dollar signs.
If we want to play this game, then I'll move to the pricey part of town and demand a raise based on the same metric.
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Fucking company pays me for what I do not where the fuck I live, that is my choice, company are just a lying pack of cunts seeking to inflate their profit margins.
And part of what you “do” is go into the office. In this case, the company has decided that the value they get out of that is worth 10% of your salary.
You may disagree, but then, you may also search for a new job.
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And part of what you âoedoâ is go into the office.
Did not do. Facebook decided it was no longer necessary what with a global pandemic and everything to come into the office. The only thing that tied people to a location was that requirement which has been withdrawn for now.
At this point they are only being paid for the work they do at home.
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They aren't saying coming in to the office is worth 10% of your salary, though. If you work from home but stay in the city you'll see no change in pay.
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I have a 3 hour commute (taking both directions into consideration), while I'm lucky that work has pretty much always permitted me to work from home, I have never in any way been compensated for the extra time or travel when I did. Makes sense, because the company wasn't responsible for me living here, and I could try to find closer work if I really wanted to. And to that end, I don't think they should be able to pay employees less because they happen to live closer.
If anything, this policy could be a gre
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OK, really? Not sure what your issue is with the military, but most of the jobs there are technicians, not combat types, and getting training and experience as a technician is a great base for a lot of jobs out there, ones that remain in demand and pay good wages...
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you can join the air force (which never get shot at)
Really? An uncle of mine was in the air force and was very nearly killed by a sniper when he was sunbathing. His job was one of those office ones, but there's often a need to be 'in country'.
You can join the Navy which almost never get shot at and only risk is themselves crashing a ship into a freighter.
Like Navy pilot John McCain. No risk.
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Food. Toilet paper. You already have a refrigerator, you don't need a second one to store several weeks of food that needs to be cold, for yourself and family. Canned and boxed foods, a couple of cubic feet. Toilet paper, the same. You don't need a bigger house for 4 cubic feet.
Even in nasty places like northern New England, rural cars are as likely to be out in the snow as they are to be in a garage. If someone has to make a choice
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20 minutes commute is bad? I would kill a man if I could get a 30 minute commute in exchange.
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This reads like it was written by someone whoâ(TM)s only knowledge of rural areas comes from books or wikipedia. I sincerely question if you have ever lived in a rural area or even know someone who does.
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- You need a car to do pretty much anything but sit home and watch TV or work on the PC.
You have this backwards; only in a polluted city are the choices reduces to TV and the computer.
In a rural home you have access to a wide variety of activities that would be unavailable at home to most city dwellers. You can even pick up an old metal lathe and run it in a shed and nobody complains. You can observe nature. You can grow plants. You can ride a bicycle to a trailhead and walk up the mountain through the forest. Even if you're a boring teevee-head, you can open a window and press mute during the
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Bike riding in rural areas can be very dangerous.
That's so dumb.
You're obviously too fat to even attempt riding a bicycle, normal humans already understand that riding a bicycle in most cities is fucking dangerous. The only rural roads you know about are the ones that connect the cities, that's why you think rural locations are dangerous; they're all on highways! D'oh!
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Bike riding in rural areas can be very dangerous.
That's so dumb.
Smaller rural roads often have limited sight lines in places like the UK and no lighting (fine if you like high-vis clothing). It's very easy for a car to come round a corner and take you out. You may also need to be well away from the edge of the road due to bushes which increases risk where there are blind corners.
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In a rural home you have access to a wide variety of activities that would be unavailable at home to most city dwellers.
The reverse is also true - it depends what you like to do. If it's go to nightclubs or the theatre on a regular basis then a rural home isn't ideal. If it's spend time in a forest five times a week, then don't live in a city.
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Like I've said before, prior to 2020, minimum wage should be around $50/hour. Entry level software engineering jobs should be at least $500k/year. The fed keeps devaluing our currency but our wages haven't changed to reflect it.
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Depends on the quality of software developer, doesn't it? If an American cost $200k, what does a non-American cost? Businesses are there to make money after all.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to make 100k because I make near the median US income. Of course, I also feel my job pays adequately for what I do. Would I like more money? Sure. Can I even bullshit myself and say I deserve that much more? Not a chance. Though I'm honest about this shit too.
Of course, minimum wage should be half of what it is and I
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Like I've said before, prior to 2020, minimum wage should be around $50/hour. Entry level software engineering jobs should be at least $500k/year.
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looking at it all backwards (Score:3, Insightful)
Everyone is looking at this *backwards* . . .
As an economist, I'll note that it's trivially easy to explain why employers would pay women less than men, or black less than white, etc.
What we *cannot* explain is why any idiot would pay men more than women, or whites more than blacks.
And here, the question is why any sane employer would pay an employee Silicon Valley wages when he could hire someone in a rural area for a lower salary that let the employee live like a prince there . . .
Unless there is somethin
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standard in the telcos for years (Score:2)
there are Reasonable Commuting Area bumps to base salary for more expensive cities long in the contract at my telco, for instance. long before my 24 years started there.
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God forbid an employee...a mere EMPLOYEE without a C-level title makes a move in THEIR PERSONAL LIFE that benefits them directly, personally, and gives them a better lifestyle.
Somehow corporations believe they're entitled to increase their profits on that basis?? Sorry-not-sorry but that's outright insanity and such ridiculously blatant corporate greed that my my cuss filter is barely holding here.
This gives corporations yet another way to control the personal lives of employees. To head off the "but you