Both my keys are labeled "Enter" on a Microsoft keyboard. I guess if you want to be stuck with the past, you can consider them differently. Enjoy your "scroll lock" key too!
Bah! they're both wrong. The Return/Enter key actually should be separate Carriage Return & Line Feed codes, but little Billy Gates wanted to save a byte, so he did both with the "Return" key code 13. </sarcasm>
Some corrective tapes and other items exploited the functionality but they weren't the origin, the origin was that once upon a time the machine needed you to return the carriage by hand because it required more force than could possibly remain after your fingerpress had already provided the force needed to firmly strike an inked hammer on the page.
In what world does any of that sound like something it was ever reasonable to translate to an electronic system? Hell it didn't even make sense to replicate on an
Eh, no. It had nothing to do with typewriters, it has everything to do with TeleType (TTY). Teletypes and even modern printers need to be told what to do. One function advances to the next line, a different function moves to the beginning of the line. They are independent. If a TTY operator made a mistake he could just hit 'return' and overtype the line with Xs or something. If he wanted do leave vertical space he could hit line feed multiple times. Or he could hit 'return' and while that mechanical
The carriage is the bit that holds and advances the paper. There is a release lever on a typewriter and a bell on many that sounds when you use the return. There is also a capability to feed a line. Which became CR and LF. These concepts were not invented for Teletype, just borrowed from typewriters for the Teletype.
Here is a carriage return lever depicted on Quora question for a visual (you can also google typewriter carriage return): https://www.q
Windows is the ONLY modern OS that defaults to needing both a CR and LF to display properly in a terminal, but you said the opposite, imagining that what... that Unix and Linux use CR and LF? They dont. Unix and Linux use only CR, and OSX uses only LF.
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Both my keys are labeled "Enter" on a Microsoft keyboard. I guess if you want to be stuck with the past, you can consider them differently. Enjoy your "scroll lock" key too!
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So your keyboard is mislabeled.
Mine is properly labeled, the key above the right shift says "return".
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Some corrective tapes and other items exploited the functionality but they weren't the origin, the origin was that once upon a time the machine needed you to return the carriage by hand because it required more force than could possibly remain after your fingerpress had already provided the force needed to firmly strike an inked hammer on the page.
In what world does any of that sound like something it was ever reasonable to translate to an electronic system? Hell it didn't even make sense to replicate on an
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Eh, no. It had nothing to do with typewriters, it has everything to do with TeleType (TTY). Teletypes and even modern printers need to be told what to do. One function advances to the next line, a different function moves to the beginning of the line. They are independent. If a TTY operator made a mistake he could just hit 'return' and overtype the line with Xs or something. If he wanted do leave vertical space he could hit line feed multiple times. Or he could hit 'return' and while that mechanical
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Sorry, but no.
Teletype invented 1930
Typewriter invented 1868
The carriage is the bit that holds and advances the paper. There is a release lever on a typewriter and a bell on many that sounds when you use the return. There is also a capability to feed a line. Which became CR and LF. These concepts were not invented for Teletype, just borrowed from typewriters for the Teletype.
Here is a carriage return lever depicted on Quora question for a visual (you can also google typewriter carriage return):
https://www.q
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Windows is the ONLY modern OS that defaults to needing both a CR and LF to display properly in a terminal, but you said the opposite, imagining that what... that Unix and Linux use CR and LF? They dont. Unix and Linux use only CR, and OSX uses only LF.
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Unix uses LF...
I don't care what old Macintosh uses, they've been abandoned by their manufacturer.