by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Wednesday May 04, 2005 @10:46PM (#12438031)
I bet they would trade their broadband for US' democracy.
Is that the same democracy that has a US president and Congress making laws that apply to single individuals?
Is that the same democracy that holds people indefinitely without charge and without representation in cuba?
Is that the same democracy that give governments the right to spy on you without court orders and without your knowledge?
Is that the same democracy that executes juvenile offenders and the mentally impaired?
Is that the same democracy that has Congress enacting laws which give ridiculous amounts of power to big corporations. (e.g. DMCA, copyright extensions, Broadcast flag )
Hmmm, Keep your democracy. The rest of the world is better off without it.
Yes, it is, and it is still superior to the complete lack of democracy that China has.
China has come a long way toward democracy lately. You sure can't compare them to North Korea. Moving to quickly can create instabilities. So as long as they are going in the right direction this is a good thing.
As far as the US being superior to China, that is somewhat debatable because it has its own problems in the form of powerful oligarchies which run big business and government.
Look I can go out in the street and distribute pamphlets talking shit on the US government all I want to. As long as I dont go extremist and advocate violence and just talk about the facts, I am completely in my rights to annoy anyone I want to about how I feel about the wrongs in our government. That is completely legal in China? If I was a Chinese citizen I could go out and advocate stuff that the government doesn't like?
Sure, I can't smoke pot and if I was gay I wouldn't be able to get married, but b
Look I can go out in the street and distribute pamphlets talking shit on the US government all I want to. As long as I dont go extremist and advocate violence and just talk about the facts, I am completely in my rights to annoy anyone I want to about how I feel about the wrongs in our government. That is completely legal in China?
Yes, it's perfectly legal in China to go out in the street and distribute pamphlets taking a shit on the US government.:P
So as long as they are going in the right direction this is a good thing
Right! Threatening Taiwan, that's a good thing. Lying about how much independence they'd allow to thrive in Hong Kong, that's a good thing. Controlling the information that people in the country can read (like filtering out this site!), that's a good thing. So, how many years of inching forwards and backwards towards the right thing makes it OK?
powerful oligarchies which run big business and government
China has come a long way toward democracy lately. You sure can't compare them to North Korea.
While this is true, "not as bad as North Korea" isn't much of an endorsement. North Korea is the most benighted country on Earth. Literally [nasa.gov].
Is that the same democracy that executes juvenile offenders and the mentally impaired?
This is no longer true. See Atkins v. Virginia, 536 U.S. 304 (2002) and Roper v. Simmons, 125 S. Ct. 1183 (2005). Please update your canned talking points.
Like all good talking points, yours extract a pound of FUD from an ounce of truth.
1. I assume you're referring to that flap over Schiavo, in which case, the "laws that apply to single individual" was not reviewed because the SC said it WASN'T about one person. 2. These non-US citizens who were caught in a foriegn country while actively fighting uniformed US soldiers deserve exactly what kind of representation under what US law? 3. What the heck is this babbling about? Every law regarding spying on indiv
2. These non-US citizens who were caught in a foriegn country while actively fighting uniformed US soldiers deserve exactly what kind of representation under what US law?
As opposed to the US soldiers occupying a foreign country illegally? Nevermind the many civilian deaths...
"2. These non-US citizens who were caught in a foriegn country while actively fighting uniformed US soldiers deserve exactly what kind of representation under what US law?"
See, it's the "foriegn country" bit that that kind of bugs us foriegners....
See, it's the "foriegn country" bit that that kind of bugs us foriegners
Is your country's government actively involved in training suicide mission murders to come kill our citizens? If not, don't sweat it. If so, what else should you expect us to reasonably do? Well, OK, obviously if you were involved in training murderers then you'd be happier if we did nothing.
Yep - the same one where you can say shit like that all you want. Hell, you don't even have to post as anonymous coward. We know we got problems. We bitch about 'em more than the rest of the world combined. Oh, by the way, any Americans ever get killed protecting your country?
Is that the same democracy that has a US president and Congress making laws that apply to single individuals?
Is that the same democracy that holds people indefinitely without charge and without representation in cuba?
Is that the same democracy that give governments the right to spy on you without court orders and without your knowledge?
Is that the same democracy that executes juvenile offenders and the mentally impaired?
Is that the same democracy that has Congress enacting laws which give ridiculou
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chinese democracy (Score:0, Troll)
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2, Insightful)
Is that the same democracy that has a US president and Congress making laws that apply to single individuals?
Is that the same democracy that holds people indefinitely without charge and without representation in cuba?
Is that the same democracy that give governments the right to spy on you without court orders and without your knowledge?
Is that the same democracy that executes juvenile offenders and the mentally impaired?
Is that the same democracy that has Congress enacting laws which give ridiculous amounts of power to big corporations. (e.g. DMCA, copyright extensions, Broadcast flag )
Hmmm,
Keep your democracy. The rest of the world is better off without it.
Re:chinese democracy (Score:1, Insightful)
Yes, it is, and it is still superior to the complete lack of democracy that China has.
Oh snap. I just fucking smoked your comment out of the water. Time for my victor lap.
Re:chinese democracy (Score:1, Interesting)
China has come a long way toward democracy lately. You sure can't compare them to North Korea. Moving to quickly can create instabilities. So as long as they are going in the right direction this is a good thing.
As far as the US being superior to China, that is somewhat debatable because it has its own problems in the form of powerful oligarchies which run big business and government.
The US is not a democracy. If it
Re:chinese democracy (Score:1)
Re:chinese democracy (Score:1)
Look I can go out in the street and distribute pamphlets talking shit on the US government all I want to. As long as I dont go extremist and advocate violence and just talk about the facts, I am completely in my rights to annoy anyone I want to about how I feel about the wrongs in our government. That is completely legal in China?
Yes, it's perfectly legal in China to go out in the street and distribute pamphlets taking a shit on the US government. :P
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
Right! Threatening Taiwan, that's a good thing. Lying about how much independence they'd allow to thrive in Hong Kong, that's a good thing. Controlling the information that people in the country can read (like filtering out this site!), that's a good thing. So, how many years of inching forwards and backwards towards the right thing makes it OK?
powerful oligarchies which run big business and government
What? China is completely
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
While this is true, "not as bad as North Korea" isn't much of an endorsement. North Korea is the most benighted country on Earth. Literally [nasa.gov].
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
This is no longer true. See Atkins v. Virginia, 536 U.S. 304 (2002) and Roper v. Simmons, 125 S. Ct. 1183 (2005). Please update your canned talking points.
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
1. I assume you're referring to that flap over Schiavo, in which case, the "laws that apply to single individual" was not reviewed because the SC said it WASN'T about one person.
2. These non-US citizens who were caught in a foriegn country while actively fighting uniformed US soldiers deserve exactly what kind of representation under what US law?
3. What the heck is this babbling about? Every law regarding spying on indiv
Re:chinese democracy (Score:1)
As opposed to the US soldiers occupying a foreign country illegally? Nevermind the many civilian deaths...
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
See, it's the "foriegn country" bit that that kind of bugs us foriegners....
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
Is your country's government actively involved in training suicide mission murders to come kill our citizens? If not, don't sweat it. If so, what else should you expect us to reasonably do? Well, OK, obviously if you were involved in training murderers then you'd be happier if we did nothing.
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
Yep - the same one where you can say shit like that all you want. Hell, you don't even have to post as anonymous coward. We know we got problems. We bitch about 'em more than the rest of the world combined. Oh, by the way, any Americans ever get killed protecting your country?
billy - America...love it or change it
Re:chinese democracy (Score:2)
Is that the same democracy that has a US president and Congress making laws that apply to single individuals? Is that the same democracy that holds people indefinitely without charge and without representation in cuba? Is that the same democracy that give governments the right to spy on you without court orders and without your knowledge? Is that the same democracy that executes juvenile offenders and the mentally impaired? Is that the same democracy that has Congress enacting laws which give ridiculou