While looking ofr daycare for my kids, I came across a few that offered web based cam viewing of the kids/classrooms. My wife thought it was a great idea til I suggested that anyone could potentially view the kids....sex offenders, children theft services, etc. Sure the school offered password based access, but any system that is turned on can be compromised. Maybe it's the paranoid dad in me, but while it may be nice to see what my kids and teachers are doing, it scares me that some pediphile may be watching what kids are doing, learning their favorite activites, and their overall daily schedule. The ped could even be a parent that has a kid registered at the school making access even easier. So in the end, I axed schools that has cams (especially wireless ones) and convinced my wife based on the reasons above.
Perhaps some places have policies where the camera is on only for certain periods of time that vary weekly and IT departments that verify access logs, but I saw no such plans when I checked.
There is one school in the UK trialling this, but each parent has a username and password to prevent unauthorised access. Still, if a username/password combination is all that is required...
yep, hence the... having a password is no security. In fact, it's worse! It's apparent security, which leads to a false sense of security in the individual.
Uh, wouldn't a pedophile prefer to target a facility that isn't loaded with cameras? Also if the pedophile has l33t hacking skills, fuck the cameras, your daycares database contains plenty of info on your child, checkout and checkin times, home address, etc.
Christ....A little paranoid huh? What happens when the kid has to walk out in pubic, are you gonna shroud it so no one can look at the kid? People have eyes and see other people out in public....When your kid is on the playground at your cam free daycare, how do you know some sicko isn't watching them?
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it scares me that some pediphile may be watching what kids are doing, learning their favorite activites, and their overall daily schedule.
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Typical Ameri-cam FUD!!
Go Get Yourself a life!!
If you agree with the Slashdot mantra that nothing is safe, you don't need cameras to learn the stuff you suggest. Not having the cameras makes it a little harder, not impossible.
Maybe it's the paranoid dad in me, but while it may be nice to see what my kids and teachers are doing, it scares me that some pediphile may be watching what kids are doing, learning their favorite activites, and their overall daily schedule. The ped could even be a parent that has a kid registered at the school making access even easier. So in the end, I axed schools that has cams (especially wireless ones) and convinced my wife based on the reasons above.
You sound totally paranoid. The driver of your school bus could be a pedo. In fact don't take your kid to the beach, a pedo-infested hunting ground. Statistically walking down the street your kid may pass a few.
Despite what the media may say, the world is populated by mostly normal people. Teaching your kid the dangers and a bit of common sense, and a CCTV camera by the school gates where the kids are picked up, should ensure nothing happens. Please don't inflict your irrational fears on your kids, the media and certain Prominent Politicians will be doing far too much of that already.
However, they won't get pictures of your kid or
learn much about 'em by walking by.
If the school bus driver stared at your kid the whole time, their suspicious activity would be detected.
But from the privacy of a stranger's living room, it's quite different: your kid isn't ordinarily going to meet every other or even most of the other kid's parents and other relatives.
Not to mention the whole "spying" factor is pretty darn spooky.
I don't think i'd want my kids going to some school where hundred
Better not take them to a school that has windows, or outdoor activities then, cause a good telescope costs a lot less then a computer.
I hope you are at least consistant and apply your same level of fearmongering to the physical aspects of any place you consider enrolling your child in, which would mean your kid is not in a daycare.
The ability to watch your child at there daycare allows YOU to take note of any new interests they may have. I mean it goes without saying that you can't watch your kid du
How does someone statistically walk down a street?
It's a quantum mechanical thing. Any time you go somewhere you are really taking all possible routes along all possible streets. Only when you are observed do the laws of statistics come into play and the routes collapse into one real route. So the surveillance cameras do indeed play a vital role of providing that observer. Caveat: it's been a while since I studied QM, so I might be slightly wrong here.
I agree with the others, you're being too paranoid about pedos. To believe some Americans, for every 5 people there is one pedo, one sex-offender, and 2 terrorists::rollseyes::. My advice: cut-down on news.
But there is another reason to avoid daycares with cameras: the teachers will end up acting for the camera instead of doing what's best for the kids. They will only do things that will not offend any of the parents, their behavior will become bland and predictable, and your kids will grow up in an envir
You are an idiot. It is an order of magnitude more likely that your child would be raped/coerced to sex by your brother, uncle, father, cousin or another relative. Not to mention that you are extremely likely to mess up the life of the child in the future with your paranoia. No, Cindy, you can't go on a hiking trip with your class, a pervert may be hiding in the woods. No, Cindy, you can't go to a prom, there might be a paedophile there. No, Cindy, I don't like that boyfriend of yours, he seems to be sexually attracted to young girls. Meanwhile you probably secretly fantasize [slashdot.org] about having sex with underage cheerleaders yourself...
Meanwhile you probably secretly fantasize about having sex with underage cheerleaders yourself...
In case anyone didn't notice, danila looked up the posting history of FerretFrottage and found a post to use as incriminating evidence against him. This is a rather advanced flaming technique. I am quite impressed. Well done.
Meanwhile you probably secretly fantasize about having sex with underage cheerleaders yourself...
In case anyone didn't notice, danila looked up the posting history of FerretFrottage and found a post to use as incriminating evidence against him. This is a rather advanced flaming technique. I am quite impressed. Well done.
Technically, FerretFrottage is only flaming if [s]he is male, and so are the aforementioned cheerleaders.
But the reference seems to be to NFL cheerleaders, who are not I imagine overage - though if FerretFrottage's wife notices that posting, he's in for a heap o trouble.
...Crypnotic also looked up the posting history of FerretFrottage to see if danila had looked up the posting history of FerretFrottage, and upon finding a link, very excitedly posted the parent as a rather advanced means of showing off. I'm not that impressed, but well done nonetheless.
Meanwhile, I'm the only one here who has not yet looked up the posting history of FerretFrottage, although it is apparently a popular thing to do...
Well, I have not posted in months, but I made this post as an advanced form of recognition of doc traig's recognition of the advanced flaming of ferrets, followed by advanced excited showing off of said advanced ferret flaming. I recognize your superior (some might say advanced) recognition of the practice of ferret flaming and the advanced showing off thereof, doc.
Putting a concerned parent down because they care about their child is bad enough. Using some misconstrued reference as "incriminating evidence" to flame that individual is APPALLING!
It's not well done. It's RUDE & INTOLERABLE! It's people who act like you and the ferret who make us parents paranoid about what might happen to our kids.
I just thought I should point out this is one of those stats that loses its meaning out of context, sort of like "Most Car Accidents Occur Near Home, So Buckle Up Even For Short Trips". Well, yes, smartass, they do occur near home mostly. Why? Because 90% of car trips ARE NEAR HOME. IF you're constantly driving near where you live, it seems like it'd increase the chances of a wreck there, yes?
Same with kids being hurt by their family. Who do they see more... random pedos walking down the street, or the
Likewise, most car accidents near home are in residential-ish areas, which typically have fairly low speed limits. While it would be unwise not to buckle up, your typical low-speed collision will not be aided by a seatbelt.
I think he was referring to the cheerleaders on NFL football teams. What does that say about you if you're automatically associating cheerleaders with being underage high school girls?
While I too am impressed with your troll-fu, I feel obliged to point out that NFL cheerleaders are usually very much of age. Just FYI, most NFL cheerleaders are pretty good looking, so it isn't all that whacky or wild for him to be fantasizing about them. Unless you're some puritan and think that you should never masturbate, whether the woman in your mind is your wife or some cheerleader. YOU WILL GO BLIND!
This kind of post is NOT helpful to anyone. Your abusive tone is degrading, not to mention irrational. This parent SHOULD be paranoid. It's her/his job to keep the kids safe. BTW, before you call someone else an idiot, learn to SPELL! The word is "pedophile".
Maybe it's the paranoid dad in me, but while it may be nice to see what my kids and teachers are doing, it scares me that some pediphile may be watching what kids are doing, learning their favorite activites, and their overall daily schedule. The ped could even be a parent that has a kid registered at the school making access even easier.
You know what? I'M a pedophile. An EVIL pedophile. My evil deed is to sit on Slashdot, waiting for people to admit to having kids. Then I hack the Slashdot server, tr
Perhaps some places have policies where the camera is on only for certain periods of time that vary weekly and IT departments that verify access logs, but I saw no such plans when I checked.
You're joking, right? Daycare jobs pay below the poverty level. Their workers are a big percentage of the 'working poor'. You think they have enough money to pay 'IT Departments'... what planet are you from;)
> My wife thought it was a great idea til I suggested that anyone could > potentially view the kids....sex offenders
Why would sex offenders want to watch your kids in a classroom? Is there a problem with sex offenders looking at women in the street? What's the difference?
But yeah, if you have a problem with strangers observing your children then perhaps you shouldn't hook them up to a webcam.
The problem is putting the camera directly on the wire. This gives them an external IP address. Places should be using an internal network with a router to connect the cameras. That way the main systems used to watch the cameras can get on the internet and do whatever but the cameras have a 192.168.0.X or something IP that can only be accessed from the outside if the router is set up to foward the port.
Unless the cameras are intended for public viewing they should not be given an external IP.
The ped could even be a parent that has a kid registered at the school making access even easier.
Things that make you go hmmmm.
But seriously, instead of raising a f***ed up kid in an environment of fear and suspicion, you might want to see someone about YOUR issues regardless of whether that involves confused feelings, an exerience that you had or just too much TV.
Remember, most child abuse takes place in the home and that statistically YOU (the parent) are the biggest risk factor...mitigate it.
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Perhaps some places have policies where the camera is on only for certain periods of time that vary weekly and IT departments that verify access logs, but I saw no such plans when I checked.
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Eh. Hmm. Not sure that's what you meant to say...
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You sound totally paranoid. The driver of your school bus could be a pedo. In fact don't take your kid to the beach, a pedo-infested hunting ground. Statistically walking down the street your kid may pass a few.
Despite what the media may say, the world is populated by mostly normal people. Teaching your kid the dangers and a bit of common sense, and a CCTV camera by the school gates where the kids are picked up, should ensure nothing happens. Please don't inflict your irrational fears on your kids, the media and certain Prominent Politicians will be doing far too much of that already.
Phillip.
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However, they won't get pictures of your kid or learn much about 'em by walking by.
If the school bus driver stared at your kid the whole time, their suspicious activity would be detected.
But from the privacy of a stranger's living room, it's quite different: your kid isn't ordinarily going to meet every other or even most of the other kid's parents and other relatives.
Not to mention the whole "spying" factor is pretty darn spooky. I don't think i'd want my kids going to some school where hundred
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I hope you are at least consistant and apply your same level of fearmongering to the physical aspects of any place you consider enrolling your child in, which would mean your kid is not in a daycare.
The ability to watch your child at there daycare allows YOU to take note of any new interests they may have. I mean it goes without saying that you can't watch your kid du
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How does someone statistically walk down a street?
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It's a quantum mechanical thing. Any time you go somewhere you are really taking all possible routes along all possible streets. Only when you are observed do the laws of statistics come into play and the routes collapse into one real route. So the surveillance cameras do indeed play a vital role of providing that observer. Caveat: it's been a while since I studied QM, so I might be slightly wrong here.
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But there is another reason to avoid daycares with cameras: the teachers will end up acting for the camera instead of doing what's best for the kids. They will only do things that will not offend any of the parents, their behavior will become bland and predictable, and your kids will grow up in an envir
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Funny how people with one deviant obsession are so annoyed by people with another. ;-)
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How many daycares have IT departments?
Love the handle buddy. While you might not be a pervert, I think Ill keep my kids away from you.
And Ill lock em up in their room so you cant get to them. Or our family pets. Or....
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This is awesome... (Score:5, Funny)
In case anyone didn't notice, danila looked up the posting history of FerretFrottage and found a post to use as incriminating evidence against him. This is a rather advanced flaming technique. I am quite impressed. Well done.
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Meanwhile, I'm the only one here who has not yet looked up the posting history of FerretFrottage, although it is apparently a popular thing to do...
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Well done?!? You're as bad as that stupid ferret! (Score:0)
It's not well done. It's RUDE & INTOLERABLE! It's people who act like you and the ferret who make us parents paranoid about what might happen to our kids.
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If I had Mod Points, I'd mod you up!
Good Flamming technique!
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Who doesn't? Have you seen some of those young bucks that toss those girls in the air? Dreamy I tell ya.
Sera
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You know what? I'M a pedophile. An EVIL pedophile. My evil deed is to sit on Slashdot, waiting for people to admit to having kids. Then I hack the Slashdot server, tr
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You're joking, right? Daycare jobs pay below the poverty level. Their workers are a big percentage of the 'working poor'. You think they have enough money to pay 'IT Departments'... what planet are you from
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> potentially view the kids....sex offenders
Why would sex offenders want to watch your kids in a classroom? Is there a problem with sex offenders looking at women in the street? What's the difference?
But yeah, if you have a problem with strangers observing your children then perhaps you shouldn't hook them up to a webcam.
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Unless the cameras are intended for public viewing they should not be given an external IP.
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Cameras are not going away anytime soon.
True not all are publically available, but as you say 'anything can be compromised'.
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Not in developed countries they don't. Yes, I mean what I say, and the aid-workers are on their way.
Tob
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Things that make you go hmmmm.
But seriously, instead of raising a f***ed up kid in an environment of fear and suspicion, you might want to see someone about YOUR issues regardless of whether that involves confused feelings, an exerience that you had or just too much TV.
Remember, most child abuse takes place in the home and that statistically YOU (the parent) are the biggest risk factor...mitigate it.