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Finding More Than One Worm In the Apple 116

Posted by timothy
from the looking-deeper dept.
davecb (6526) writes "At Guido von Rossum's urging, Mike Bland has a look at detecting and fixing the "goto fail" bug at ACM Queue. He finds the same underlying problem in both in the Apple and Heartbleed bugs, and explains how to not suffer it again." An excerpt: "WHY DIDN'T A TEST CATCH IT? Several articles have attempted to explain why the Apple SSL vulnerability made it past whatever tests, tools, and processes Apple may have had in place, but these explanations are not sound, especially given the above demonstration to the contrary in working code. The ultimate responsibility for the failure to detect this vulnerability prior to release lies not with any individual programmer but with the culture in which the code was produced. Let's review a sample of the most prominent explanations and specify why they fall short. Adam Langley's oft-quoted blog post13 discusses the exact technical ramifications of the bug but pulls back on asserting that automated testing would have caught it: "A test case could have caught this, but it's difficult because it's so deep into the handshake. One needs to write a completely separate TLS stack, with lots of options for sending invalid handshakes.""
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Finding More Than One Worm In the Apple

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  • by SuperKendall (25149) on Friday May 16, 2014 @12:20PM (#47018369)

    The "Apple" had only one bug, the Goto Fail bug - since Apple did not use OpenSSL they never had the second bug.

    So why is the headline painting Apple as the source of both bugs?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 16, 2014 @12:22PM (#47018395)

    For the same reason new viruses will always defeat anti-virus software: Each virus is tested against existing anti-virus programs and only released into the wild when it has defeated all of them.

  • Neatness counts (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mariox19 (632969) on Friday May 16, 2014 @12:31PM (#47018491)
    if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.update( &hashCtx, &signedParams)) != 0)
    goto fail;
    goto fail;

    Those familiar with the C programming language will recognize that the first goto fail is bound to the if statement immediately preceding it; the second is executed unconditionally.

    Sorry, but it needs to be said: this is sloppy, he-man coding. Is there a problem with using brackets? Is it your carpal tunnel syndrome? Are you charged by the keystroke?

    This is how mistakes happen. For shame!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 16, 2014 @12:42PM (#47018621)

    The "Apple" had only one bug, the Goto Fail bug - since Apple did not use OpenSSL they never had the second bug.

    So why is the headline painting Apple as the source of both bugs?

    Dude.. chill, it is an actual apple, as in a fruit -- it is a saying. I didn't read the headline your way at all.

  • by jeffmeden (135043) on Friday May 16, 2014 @12:45PM (#47018645) Homepage Journal

    They are comparing the test methods that might have cought the Apple SSL "goto fail" bug vs the Heartbleed openssl bug (which was unchecked memory access). How do we know there isn't another SSL bug in either? That's right, we don't. And we won't until testing (automated or otherwise) gets better in both places. Ideally we would have a way to find (and fix) lots of worms in both.

  • Re:Neatness counts (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 16, 2014 @12:49PM (#47018693)


    if ((err = SSLHashSHA1.update(
          &hashCtx, &signedParams)) != 0) {

          goto fail;

    }

    goto fail;

    Seems as though it still would/could have happened. Would it have been easier to catch? Likely. Still would have happened, though.

    True, it COULD have happened. But that's a helluva lot more obvious.

    And if you RTFA (I know....), the author really had to contrive a BS example with mismatched braces to make a case against requiring braces on all conditional code even if they're only one line.

    If mismatched braces is your "proof" that a code standard that requires braces all the time doesn't help prevent the creation of bugs like this, you're really desperate.

  • Re:It takes brains (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jeffmeden (135043) on Friday May 16, 2014 @12:57PM (#47018755) Homepage Journal

    I've been in this field for 20+ years now, and I don't necessarily (in fact, I usually don't) agree with whatever the current trend is (which is probably why my karma is negative). One underlying trend, has been to make software something that can be made by anyone - to remove the requirement of having a special mind that is able to think through algorithms and code. This has generally been accomplished through process, and abstraction. Process - if we can describe a method well enough, then anyone should be able to follow it to it's logical conclusion. Abstraction - we keep adding layers upon layers in an effort to simplify and streamline that which is a complex thing (lots of numbers in sequence to control a microprocessor and it's accompanying hardware). You can probably tell that I'm not a great fan of either - though I'm really really trying to not be a negative type, and to go with the flow more. But I can't help my fundamental feelings that there is just no substitute for a smart individual with a gift of understanding the logic of code. I'm always against process because it takes the gift that i was given and neutralizes it. Personal feelings aside, I just don't think that all the process in the world is ever going to get ahead of the curve that is the battle between perfectly functional software and bugs.

    If you make brilliant code that only you can understand, sorry to be harsh but you aren't that brilliant. We definitely need to value people who can generate and perfect algorithms, but do you think anyone would remember/value the Pythagorean Theorem if it was 40 steps long? No, he thought of a (then brilliant) way to do it simply and easily so that one only needs to understand basic math to pull it off. This is what we need more of; a single elegant algorithm that is so short it is hard to misuse is better than 1,000 algorithms that are all so hard to understand that only the author knows exactly how it works and will be forgotten as soon as the particular language or application fades into the past.

  • by radtea (464814) on Friday May 16, 2014 @01:06PM (#47018853)

    I've often said that you don't fix a software bug until you've fixed the process that allowed the bug to be created.

    One of the things that struck me about the goto fail bug was that it was specifically engineered out of coding best practices in the '90's.

    Any reasonable coding standard from that time forbade if's without braces for precisely this reason. And yeah, that's a "no true Scotsman" kind of argument (if a coding standard didn't contain such a clause it was not by my definition "reasonable") but the point still holds: software developers at the time were aware of the risk of open if statements causing exactly this kind of failure, because we had observed them in the wild, and designed coding standards to reduce their occurrence.

    So to be very specific about what kind of processes and culture would have prevented this bug: a reasonable coding standard and code reviews would have caught it (much of the code review process can be automated these days), and a culture of professionalism is required to implement and maintain such things.

    The canonical attribute of professionals is that we worry at least as much about failure as success. We know that failures will happen, and work to reduce them to the bare minimum while still producing working systems under budget and on time (it follows from this that we also care about scheduling and estimation.)

    Amateurs look at things like coding standards and reviews and say, "Well what are the odds of that happening! I'm so good it won't ever affect my code!"

    Professionals say, "The history of my field shows that certain vulnerabilities are common, and I am human and fallible, so I will put in place simple, lightweight processes to avoid serious failures even when they have low probability, because in a world where millions of lines of code are written every day, a million-to-one bug is written by someone, somewhere with each turn of the Earth, and I'd rather that it wasn't written by me."

    It's very difficult to convince amateurs of this, of course, so inculcating professional culture and values is vital.

  • Merge Conflict (Score:3, Insightful)

    by znigelz (2005916) on Friday May 16, 2014 @01:15PM (#47018933)
    This is clearly the automatic resolution of a merge conflict by the versioning control software. These are such a nightmare to debug and happen all the time. Developers rarely check their entire change visually post merge. Though this can be found using static analysis that force coding standards (such as forcing the use of brackets or proper indentation for the lexical scope). Though the bugs from automatic conflict resolution can only be really improved through better versioning software. These are without question the worst and most frustrating bugs.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 16, 2014 @01:38PM (#47019143)

    This is why people hate Apple users.

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