Convicted Spammer Jeffrey Kilbride Flees Prison 233
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An anonymous reader writes with this news from California: "According to the article, 'Officials at the Federal Bureau of Prisons say an inmate escaped from a minimum security area of the federal prison in Lompoc. Prison officials say Jeffrey Kilbride, 48, was discovered missing at around 1:30 p.m. on Friday....A search is reportedly underway. Prison officials say Kilbride was serving a 78-month sentence for conspiracy and fraud. He was due to be released on December 11, 2015.'" Here's why Kilbride was in prison.
What an idiot. (Score:5, Insightful)
Due for release in 2015? Not anymore.
Re:What an idiot. (Score:5, Insightful)
Due for release in 2015? Not anymore.
Indeed, escape is a new offense, he will have to spend more time in prison in addition to completing his original sentence, and he will no longer be housed in a Club Fed. He'll be behind the razor wire now. Sucks to be him.
They'll catch him no doubt pretty soon... unless this was coordinated with someone on the outside. If so, he could be far away by now. But they'll catch him eventually. As many people have pointed out recently in many posts on many topics, it's hard to remain anonymous and hide in plain sight these days.
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But they'll catch him eventually. As many people have pointed out recently in many posts on many topics, it's hard to remain anonymous and hide in plain sight these days.
You know, it's really not.
Quasi-legitimate identities are available to anyone with resources. Sure, your freedom run is dependent upon avoiding arrest & the entire fingerprinting process, leaving people/your old life completely behind, and beginning anew in Kalamazoo... but maybe you're not well-suited for prison and you figure you'd be giving all those luxuries up anyways.
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Not anymore...not with surveillance cameras everywhere, and facial recognition software tied to every airport and port. His only chance is a small private boat or private airplane from a private airport. Guess you've never read 1984 nor seen Brazil.
Or he could walk across the Canadian or Mexican boarder.
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They'll catch him no doubt pretty soon...
Probably. In the entire history of the Federal prison system, only about 10 people have escaped and were not eventually caught.
He'd already served 3/4 of a 4-year sentence. Less than a year to go.
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Less than a year to go.
Not anymore...
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It's money well spent. Spammers need to rot in jail and the longer the better. He's caused millions of dollars in damages with his spam shit and if he stays on the loose he'll be back at it. These guys never quit, they think they have the right to annoy us without end.
Re:What an idiot. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's money well spent. Spammers need to rot in jail and the longer the better. He's caused millions of dollars in damages with his spam shit and if he stays on the loose he'll be back at it. These guys never quit, they think they have the right to annoy us without end.
If that were true then the sentence should be life, not a few years.
Our justice system is extremely messed-up. It is about punishing people for past transgressions, and not about preventing future transgressions. If anything the way we treat people once they're out just makes them more likely to offend - do you think this guy could get a job running mail servers for a legit corporation once he's out? No, they'd never hire them, so that leaves what he's good at - sending more spam.
People who commit crimes should be kept under an appropriate amount of supervision until they've been rehabilitated to the point where they're not likely to commit future crimes. The right "sentence" isn't going to be the same for every criminal. Some criminals could probably be put on immediate probation for 2nd degree murder, and others might need 30 years in max security for shoplifting. It shouldn't be about punishments that fit the crime, it should be about rehabilitation that fits the criminal. There shouldn't be registered sex-offenders - people likely to re-offend shouldn't be let out at all, and those unlikely to re-offend shouldn't be treated as if they are likely to do so. Whether a criminal in rehabilitation is behind bars or not should depend on how likely they are to re-offend during rehabilitation, and how likely they are to comply with their rehabilitation activities. If they were trusted to be out on bail during their trial, I'd probably trust them to show up on time for their 8 hours a day of brainwashing until they do otherwise.
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The idea that the government should "keep people in jail until they change what they believe" is terrifying.
No, we should NOT be judging people based on some arbitrary judges imagining whether they are likely to commit a crime in the future. Rehabilitation is a disgusting concept.
Re:What an idiot. (Score:4, Insightful)
The idea that the government should "keep people in jail until they change what they believe" is terrifying.
Agree 100% - what sane person wouldn't? Would I have used the term "brainwashing" if I didn't want you to be terrified?
No, we should NOT be judging people based on some arbitrary judges imagining whether they are likely to commit a crime in the future. Rehabilitation is a disgusting concept.
Sure it is a disgusting concept, but so is preying on the innocent, and locking people up forever, perhaps punctuated by letting them out for a few years to let them prey on the innocent until we lock them up again.
Why do we punish criminals at all? Who are we to decide that spending time to build a car is a legitimate way to obtain a car, and clubbing your neighbor over the head and driving off with their car is an illegitimate way to obtain a car?
The answer is simple - the former society is one where people actually spend their time creating things. The latter society is one where everybody lives in the dark ages defending their small plot of crops against poachers, pledging their fealty to the local warlord in exchange for "protection."
Since most people would rather live in a civilized society, it behooves us to take steps to keep society civilized. That basically requires brainwashing everybody from childhood into not doing anything you think you can get away with. Some people's brains seem to be wired in such a way as to make that lesson easier to learn than others, and some parents do a better job of teaching it. One way or another some people just don't get it and when they become adults they become problems. So, we can either treat them like problems for the rest of their lives and either live with them or lock them up anyway, or we can actually try to do something about them.
Whether you're a nice progressive humanist or a zealot who believe in blowing up the meeting-places of people of the wrong faith, and whether you believe in locking up thieves for six months or cutting off their hands largely depends on how you were brainwashed as a child. Since we're doing it anyway, we might as well do it in a way that results in a society we would want to live in...
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Only in the US. In other jurisdictions every men's urge to be free is recognized and accordingly there are no additional sentences for prison breaks IF nobody gets hurt, bribed, and property doesn't get damaged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_escape#Punishment [wikipedia.org]
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Only in the US. In other jurisdictions every men's urge to be free is recognized and accordingly there are no additional sentences for prison breaks IF nobody gets hurt, bribed, and property doesn't get damaged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_escape#Punishment [wikipedia.org]
Wow. There are lots of things the US might get wrong, but this ain't one of them.
Also, quoting from your link:
In Mexico, for instance, escapees who do not break any other laws are not charged for anything and no extra time is added to their sentence; however, officers are allowed to shoot prisoners attempting to escape.
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I personally think that everyone should be forced to spent a meaningful amount of time incarcerated against their will, before they're allowed to form a meaningful opinion about how people who are incarcerated should be treated.
Re:What an idiot. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What an idiot. (Score:4, Interesting)
Either he was stupid or got a death threat from a disgruntled customer. If the latter he could have flipped and gone into witness protection. So probably just stupid,
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going into Protective Custody in prison is the worst thing you can do. everyone will suspect you as a snitch or chomo, at the least you are showing weakness. either way, when you eventually get out of PC and back into GenPop, you'll be marked as a target for bangers to impress the shotcaller or as someone's bitch.
Re:What an idiot. (Score:4, Interesting)
He obviously had a reason to escape immediately. I wonder what was happening to him.
Happening to him? In "minimum security"? Probably boredom, very unlikely any ass pounding.
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Would the authorities put him in the same cell as a dissatisfied V1agr4 customer?
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Seems to me that a *satisfied* customer would be more dangerous...
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With respect to sodomy, yes. With respect to sheer anger, perhaps not so much.
Re:Going to PMITA prison! (Score:5, Insightful)
You truly want it to happen...
You want the less powerful offenders, the non-violent ones, the ones who aren't so dangerous, raped by the most violent and physically dangerous prisoners. You want those already most dangerous ones to get the message that a moderate amount of crime doesn't pay, but pedal to the metal violent overdrive has its perks. You want the guards to have to work around criminals who expect to be bought off with a supply of victims instead of staying in line for fear of more punishment. You want the prisons to be full of racist gangs constantly ready to riot, and using protection from the rapists on the other side as their chief recruiting tool. You want the rapists and murderers in there to get more practice at violence before their inevitable release, more confirmation that violence gets them what they want. You want prison to not be as bad for the worst of the worst, by making it hell for the rest of the people in there.
Yes, you want it, and now you know, deep inside, that your want has nothing to do with justice.
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Re:Going to PMITA prison! (Score:5, Funny)
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Oh well. I'd just finished wading through my ISP's spam filter looking for an e-mail that got caught there. After looking at all that crap for the 20 minutes it took to find the legit message I needed it left me with a desire to choke the life out of these parasitic fuckers.
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What email provider doesn't the one that resist get taken down look just at lavabit.
Re:What an idiot. (Score:4, Insightful)
put in the same place as blago and skilling (Score:2)
It's still got the minimum security feel but with more razor wire
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Re: What an idiot. (Score:5, Funny)
He better hope the cops get to him before we do...
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If he doesn't like the ass-kicking I'd give him if I were to meet him, he can just opt out of my boot-to-the-posterior list. Here's how it works. I kick him in the ass, I keep kicking him in the ass until he opts out, and then I sell his name, address, and the GPS coordinates of his ass over to the next ass-kicking professional. He can keep opting out of every ass-kicking-list that any individual provider of ass-kicking services has to offer. What's the h
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Who said we want to harm him. Just a single punch in the arm - for every email he ever sent. After the first million or so, his arm should look like an Italian sausage. It's a good thing he only sent hundreds of millions of messages out....
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Fuck off and die. We are fully justified in hating spammers. They are the lowest life form on the planet and should be exterminated.
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OK, so exchange minor annoyance for minor annoyance. Flick his earlobe. Once for each spam he sent.
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This is why vigilante justice is inappropriate in the case of spam.
Not because it would be 'disproportionate' - Spammers routinely and intentionally destroy entire human lifetimes in aggregate. (This is a role reserved for overly intrusive government and local cable providers.)
Re:What an idiot. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Federal time is pretty cake(lots of money, good control, decent food), and minimum security is where the token Wall Street felon goes once a generation.
He's not running from that at 48 years young with 24 months to do unless he just got some bad news on the biopsy.
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The piece of shit has assaulted millions of people with his unwanted crap thousands of times each. Fuck him. I think they should stick him under a rock and let him rot. People that think they have the right to spam millions of mailboxes wasting the equivalent of thousands of years are rotten mother fuckers and should be behind bars.
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Nah, I think a better way would be to restrain him and force him to listen to his spam piped trough text-to-speech software for a day or more. The restraining part is required so he does not poke his own ears out.
Re:What an idiot. (Score:5, Insightful)
"Said every person in jail and every kid in detention."
Example of a false positive error. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_positive_paradox [wikipedia.org]. When your justice system pursues a high conviction rate rather than truth, there are likely more innocent people in jail than guilty.
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I don't think you need to be guilty of something to believe he, based on the know evidence, used poor judgement. The probability to me appears to favor that there is something going on that we don't know about. Death threats are one possibility, and they wouldn't necessarily be coming from other prisoners.
Sounds like that prison needs a better (Score:5, Funny)
*sunglasses*
spammer filter
YEEEEEEAH
You'd figure the guy would (Score:2)
used that time to make connections to further his business when he gets out now the retard is fucked.
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Maybe in max, but in minimum, he will be sleeping on a bunk bed in a dormitory, with other white collar criminals, or criminals short to the gate. He isn't going to get raped, because that means the rapist is going to wind up getting a prison transfer to a real PMITA prison.
Federal prisons are not the craptastic private state/local lockups. They are run by the BOP which tends to know what they are doing, because they have top tier funding compared to spotty state money.
The escapee has gone from the frying
Check... (Score:2)
The local internet cafe
Ahh, I see the problem (Score:3, Funny)
The prison had such good spammer filtering in place that they couldn't even see him leave....
protip for law enforcement (Score:2)
What ever you do, shoot to kill. He's probably armed and extremely dangerous and he said your mama's fat.
This makes no sense (Score:2)
Why would he want to leave? Getting sent to Lompoc is my retirement plan.
Loving it (Score:2)
I love it when spamming scum does something extraordinarily stupid. Good luck getting into a minimum security prison after this little stunt.
Tin foil hat time (Score:3, Insightful)
OK, suppose he had been working with really bad people on the outside, e.g. the Russian mob. Let's say these people were angry with him and he got wind of an assassination brewing. So he flips on the bad people but then needs protection. So, the Feds fake a prison break and whisk hm away to witness protection. Or is that just too wacko?
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Too wacko.
Check the library... (Score:2)
The emails...they're coming from inside the prison!
Escape Prison With This 1 Weird Trick (Score:2)
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pity (Score:2)
If he had been executed as he should have been we wouldn't have this problem. Death for spam, surely this sentence is the law in some country somewhere...
Re:Good for Him (Score:5, Informative)
I'm glad when anyone manages to escape the US incarceration system, aka "hell on earth".
US Federal "minimum security" jails are well known "cake walks", just like most European "minimum security" jails. Often the "inmates" can hold down jobs on the outside (returning to jail at night), get fed reasonably good food, and often even take weekends and more extended vacations with relatives.
Oh yeah, US Federal "minimum security" is a tough game...
Or mental illness (Score:2)
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They do not allow people to take the weekends or even vacations off. You can request furloughs but those are only granted in extreme circumstances and if you have a perfect record once while in prison. I know people who were denied furloughs for funerals. You clearly have no first hand experience in the fed prison system.
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But he was in a minimum security prison aka "Club Fed". The food is better and some of them even have golf courses and tennis courts. Next stop for him will be a real prison.
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Minimum security prisons no longer as nice as you claim them to be.
Re:Good for Him (Score:4, Informative)
Minimum security prisons no longer as nice as you claim them to be.
Is that so?
http://www.askmen.com/fine_living/top_10/13_top_10.html [askmen.com]
Oooo, and look right there: LOMPOC is number 8 on the list...
Given the perfect climate and time to spend outside, the bars are barely a bother as you plot your corporate comeback. Former home to Ivan Boesky and the Watergate guys, youâ(TM)ll be surrounded by a eucalyptus grove in a great wine region not far from Santa Barbara. Itâ(TM)s a pity the tennis courts were removed as a PR gesture to critics who felt guests at this luxury prison had it too easy, but (the good) life continues with the baseball field and volleyball courts.
Oh, and this: "Former inmate's description of minimum security Federal prison: sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll..."
http://boingboing.net/2012/10/23/former-inmates-description-o.html [boingboing.net]
Yeah, "Real1/1" Federal minimum security is tough business.
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Beats Levenworth. The idiot is now headed for some such facility where he will be locked in with the real animals. Not the white collar types.
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I think the white collar types deserve some of that enlightenment. Let them see how the other half lives.
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Yep it's in the constitution, prison should be "cruel and unusual".
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Being deprived of the ability to go where you please IS unpleasant, you stupid fuck.
Really? Let's see in most min. security prisons you can: Go for a walk, get outside without supervision, get day visits to large public areas providing it's not a violation of your conditions if you had any before you went to jail. You can get weekends out, get pretty much the same amenities that you would have in a small apartment including full privacy. The gates are effectively open between 10am and 5pm daily, so if you have the ability you can walk right out.
Yep pretty unpleasant. Oh did I forget to
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Levenworth sucks even worse.
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Is your brother in law a spammer? Just asking.
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Prison should be a place where you do not want to be in. If you somehow get put in prison and later released, the conditions there should be so that now you will not want to return there.
Instead of, you know, giving the criminals better living conditions than the poor have, conditions in prison should be bad and the criminals should be forced to do manual labor for free (as part of the sentence), like they did in the USSR.
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It would be fitting if the banksters were sent to live in the Projects in LA or Chicago, so that they could actually experience what their manipulation of the economy did to real people.
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but "manual labor for free" competes with SELLING the government crap. Prisoners growing their own food and washing their own clothes competes with an honest businessman that could be having illegal mexicans do that for big money!
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What kind of "high security" allows opportunities for rape to even occur?
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The kind that skimps on guard staff to improve profits, mostly.
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ANd of course there is an attitude of "No Humans Involved".
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The "high security" refers to the public's security, not the prisoners' security.
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"health treatment"
FYI, prisoners get state health care. Wait until all those "three strikes your out" convicts start needing Medicaid. I'm surprised no one has mentioned it.
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No need to wait. Just look at California. Inadequate medical treatment for inmates has been in court for years.
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Only the spammers.
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No. Don't kill them. That's letting them off too easy. Put them in a hardcore prison with the general population and make them wear a shirt that says "spammer."
Re: Good for Him (Score:5, Insightful)
Right they should just gas everyone with a 15+ year sentence
No, we should not be looking at incarceration as the default punishment for crimes. The only people that should be locked up are people that are a physical threat to other people. Anyone else should have an alternative punishment, such as working for victim restitution. No other country locks up as many people as America, and many other countries have lower crime rates.
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Nice. You fucked over millions of people wasting hundreds of hours per person over the years adding up to about 50,000 lifetimes dealing with your shitty spam so we'll make you pick up crap on the side of the highways for the next millennium or so 24/7/365. I like it. Punishment actually fits the crime.
Lessons to be learned. (Score:3)
The only people that should be locked up are people that are a physical threat to other people.
The geek as white collar criminal is insufferably arrogant and self-absorbed. It is damn tough to break through that shell. Prison is the one thing he can't laugh off.
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I think he wanted it.
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Probably stupidity.
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Not to mention being sent to an actual prison.
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No one escapes prison with such a short sentence left unless they have a good reason.
Happens all the time. It's related to the attitude of those that end up in prison: Many like this guy are narcissists.
US Federal Prison is a well known "cake walk", the food is not bad, the facilities modern and comfortable, with libraries and educational possibilities, and in many cases, the "inmates" can go home on weekends and for longer vacations.
Simply a fact that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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You forgot to allow for the delays in his progress for the times he stops to send unsolicited email to unsuspecting individuals.
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that $0.05 per min for the prison email system is killer.
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He hasn't committed any sort of violent crime. There's no need to remove him from society.
Prison is not just for violent criminals, it's for people who break society's laws, and can not be trusted to behave withing society's rules without some motivation.
I suppose you think all non-violent criminals should be simply asked nicely not rip people off and otherwise "stop being jerks"?
Seriously, you're either a troll or a moron. Both?
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Lets be real. Federal prisons are an exception, but most areas of the US have heavily private prison systems, with a contract from the state guaranteeing a 90% bed occupancy rate in every jail, prison, or detention camp.
With this in mind, there are a lot of judges and DAs who -have- to prosecute otherwise pointless cases in order to keep their job. If not, the private prison PACs will be handing money to a candidate who will.
I live in one of these states that has a very sizable private prison system. At
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"Federal Prisons are more capable and professionally managed than State Institutions. And State Institutions are more capable and professionally managed then private institutions."
Surprise! Government is more efficient then the private sector!
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A fake head passes the night count.
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