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CowboyRobot writes with news on the FY2013 allocation of H-1B visas. From the article: "As of June 1, the government had issued 55,600 standard H-1B visas out of the annual allotment of 65,000, according to United States Immigration and Citizenship Services (USCIS). The feds also issued 18,700 H-1B visas reserved for graduates of advanced degree programs in the U.S., out of 20,000. " CowboyRobot continues, "Last year work visas did not run out until late November, but this year the pool of visas is almost entirely claimed and it's still only June. One interpretation of this is that the tech industry is hiring much more actively than it was a year ago. Some companies, such as Microsoft, have been lobbying to increase the number of available visas (currently limited to 65,000) while others argue that offering visas to foreign workers reduces job prospects for Americans." A bit more from the article: "Industry lobby group Partnership for A New American Economy last month released a study that claims the U.S. will face a shortage of 224,000 tech workers by 2018 unless immigration rules are loosened."
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2013 H-1B Visa Supply Nearly Exhausted

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  • by nattt (568106) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:13AM (#40293931)

    Maybe the visa numbers are stored in an unsigned short and can't go above 65535 anyway....

  • Thank God. (Score:5, Informative)

    by HunsV (2615715) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:16AM (#40293955)
    H-1B is a scam by which white collar companies (not blue collar, because they aren't cool enough) can fire American workers and then replace them with foreign workers who are so happy to get to the States that they will work for $10,000 less per year. (There are laws against this kind of wage fuckery. They work the same as speed laws in Saudi Arabia: No one cares to obey or enforce them. The "shortage" of workers is a lie manufactured by Oracle, Microsoft, etc. in order to cut costs. Most of the comp sci classes I took were filled to the gills, and the program I got into in college was so impacted that I had to go in on another major and switch after the fact. It's like that in lots of places. Fuck all this H-1B nonsense, and fuck all the liars and misinformed idiots who think we are just gagging for foreign labor. We aren't gagging for foreign labor. Larry Ellison and Bill Gates are gagging for foreign labor because they can be paid less.
    • Re:Thank God. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by digitig (1056110) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:31AM (#40294079)
      I'm told (I'm not an expert, so I'm open to correction) that in Switzerland pretty much anybody can get a work permit provided they will be paid above the average rate for the job. That means that if there are skills that cannot be sourced locally then employers have no problems recruiting globally, but they can't use that as a way of bringing in cheap foreign workers. I hope that is true -- it seems like an intelligent system.
      • Re:Thank God. (Score:4, Insightful)

        by zero0ne (1309517) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:35AM (#40294115) Journal

        This right here would probably solve the issue in one iteration.

        Of course it could also backfire and bring our wages down to the point where they still recruit H-1Bs

        • Re:Thank God. (Score:4, Informative)

          by rastilin (752802) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:44AM (#40294191)

          I'm pretty sure that in America the H-1Bs have to be paid the same as a local, except that practically they are often underpaid and if they complain they are shipped out before the matter gets to court. There's no point in having laws if they're never enforced.

          • Not at all. They can't compete. A job description can be written in such a way so that the person hired would only be an H-1B visa. Not too mention since they are contract workers there are no benefits to pay.
            • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

              by Anonymous Coward

              "there are no benefits to pay"...of the all the H1B using people I have known, none have been contract workers without benefits.

            • by crazyjj (2598719) *

              A job description can be written in such a way so that the person hired would only be an H-1B visa.

              That's what a lot of ignorant people don't understand. They go to the job sites, and see all these postings and think "Wow, there are plenty of jobs out there." What they don't realize is that only a tiny fraction of these postings are actually REAL. With most postings, they already have someone (or, in the case of H1B's, some GROUP) in mind. They're just posting it as a formality. That's why you see so many postings with very specific, sometimes outright bizarre, requirements. These postings are nothing mo

          • Re:Thank God. (Score:4, Insightful)

            by Amiga Trombone (592952) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:56AM (#40294287)

            There are ways around that. Obviously, a Jr. DBA isn't gonna be paid as much as a Sr. DBA. But who's to know if the guy classified as a Jr. DBA is doing work usually done by a Sr. DBA?

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by Anonymous Coward

            We have a small number of H-1B's and they're totally able to compete. Large Big Box Indian Body Shop brings them over, most are frauds and don't know squat. However, for the few that are the real deal, they quickly realize that they can earn 30, 40 or 50k more by taking their talents elsewhere. I've gotten some of my best developers by taking on their H-1's when they finally clued into the assraping they're getting from the big boys.

            L-1's are the real enemy. They are typically brought over on a lower th

      • by kav2k (1545689)
        As far as I understand it's still subject to quotas and at the very least the employer has the burden to prove they cannot find such an employee in 1) Switzerland, 2) EU/EFTA.

        Quoting [swissinfo.ch]:

        A third state national can take a job in Switzerland only if a person cannot be hired from within the Swiss labour market or an EU/Efta state. Employers must show that they made “intensive efforts” to find a Swiss, EU/Efta citizen or any foreign national already in Switzerland with a permit to work. Moreover, employers must show why those with priority who applied were not suitable for the job.

        Fortunately, some professions, like researchers, are exempt from quotas.

        For anyone wishing to dig into details, here's the corresponding legislation [admin.ch] (FR, DE or IT only)

    • by eldavojohn (898314) * <eldavojohn.gmail@com> on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:36AM (#40294119) Journal
      Don't misinterpret this, I am against H-1B as well but you're missing two pieces of the puzzle that are, unfortunately, heartless as well. One is that when you remove a geek or nerd from their regular environment they often have nothing but their work and hobbies on the side. Make them a foreigner in America and some of them will practically live in their office cube instead of going home to stare blankly at foreign (to them) television. If you're lucky, they'll have a hard time making new friends and have less conflicts outside of work.

      Most of the comp sci classes I took were filled to the gills, and the program I got into in college was so impacted that I had to go in on another major and switch after the fact.

      Right but the top ten percent of your classes is still only ten percent of that. The companies that are arguing for more H-1B visas are licking their lips at countries that have a top ten percent they can still tap. The government likes it because it equates to a brain drain with the added benefit that the really smart ones actually get to stay. "The cream of the crop" doesn't just apply to American masses and I'm sure these H-1B employees help them toward their diversity and EEO goals.

      The willingness to work for less is just icing on the cake. The reason Microsoft is railing for more H-1B visas is simple: they win as far as they can tell. What critics might be correct about though, is that this is being used to learn how Americans do business and then move these workers back to the foreign country and lobby for outsourcing after mimicking their American counterparts [wikipedia.org]. This is evident in stats like this:

      In 2006, these [outsourcing] firms collectively were issued 19,512 of the 65,000 H-1B visas granted, with 4 outsourcing firms among the top 5 receivers of H-1B visas. These are Infosys, Satyam Computer Services, Tata Consultancy Services, and Wipro Technologies. Critics have argued that granting H-1B visas to these outsourcing firms is not the real intent of the H-1B Visa program.

      So, even worse for American workers and unemployment is that it could eventually lead to even more off-shoring of work.

      • And in addition to all that, the H1B people's residence in the U.S. depends on their employers sponsorship. They are indentured and we are forced to play at that level. They are scabs.

    • H-1B is a scam by which white collar companies (not blue collar, because they aren't cool enough)

      Jobs that can be outsourced(relatively successful in manufacturing[and if you choose the CNMI you can even use 'made in USA' stickers while paying at roughly Chinese rates!], rather a mixed record in white-collar tech) or done under-the-table with reasonable safety for the people who matter(Gosh, officer, I had no idea that my janitorial contractor's subcontracted cleaning crew might not be 100% on the up-and-up immigration wise... I figured that they were so cheap because they just had a good work ethic...

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The H-1B is for individuals at the top of their respective field, and it only accounts for 65,000 out of more than 6 million visas alloted per year. Say what you will about work visas in general, and granted the H-1B lasts longer than most other work visas, but H-1B visas are not where I would begin making cuts! They allow us to sap the smartest minds from other coutries, and use them for our own benefit, to benefit our own industries and own economy.

      • Re:Thank God. (Score:4, Interesting)

        by h4rr4r (612664) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @09:00AM (#40294325)

        That might be what H1B is supposed to be used for, but it is really used to get cheap IT folks. I have had to work with some of these folks and if they work for our customer who hired a contracting firm, they suck. The direct hire ones are fine, but all the ones coming from the usual suspect Indian staffing firms are terrible.

    • by Maxo-Texas (864189) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @09:00AM (#40294329)

      As it says "Immigration attorneys from Cohen & Grigsby explains how they assist employers in running classified ads with the goal of NOT finding any qualified applicants, and the steps they go through to disqualify even the most qualified Americans in order to secure green cards for H-1b workers. See what Bush and Congress really mean by a "shortage of skilled U.S. workers." Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, and thousands of other companies are running fake ads in Sunday newspapers across the country each week.

      Here's a video of one of their conferences. It's pretty harsh.
      How to put out fake ads, how to find ways to disqualify qualified americans.

      Quote" The goal is not to find a qualified and interested worker"

      http://youtu.be/TCbFEgFajGU [youtu.be]

      • by crazyjj (2598719) *

        See what Bush and Congress really mean by a "shortage of skilled U.S. workers." Microsoft, Oracle, Hewlett-Packard, and thousands of other companies are running fake ads in Sunday newspapers across the country each week.

        The sad thing is the American university system is complicit in the scam too. A lot of colleges and universities continue to lure students into college (and often into deep student loan debt) by talking about all the great job opportunities available--citing all the same bullshit "worker shortage" figures that the corporations use to lie to Congress. Just the other day, I saw an ad for a local tech school that talked about "severe worker shortages" in tech fields, implying that if you got your degree from t

    • Re:Thank God. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gorzek (647352) <gorzek.gmail@com> on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @10:17AM (#40295139) Homepage Journal

      I used to feel this way, too. That is, until I tried to go about filling some vacant developer positions.

      The company I work for is located near New York City, so there's presumably a big field of qualified applicants within a 50-100 mile radius, right?

      Wrong.

      We got a lot of resumes, all right. We weren't even against hiring someone straight out of college, if they were competent and willing to learn. But what I noticed was that the vast majority of resumes were from immigrants, primarily from China and India, though there were a few other countries in the mix. Native-born Americans just don't seem all that interested in writing software. I admit the stuff I work on isn't sexy--it's healthcare software, not something sold to home users. Even so, you'd think more people would be interested in a steady job in a growth field, yet almost all the interest is from people who emigrated here. We don't go out of our way to give jobs to immigrants, we treat all applicants equally and give them a fair shake based on their experience, how they interview, and how they code.

      I don't know, maybe all the white guys (let's face it, that's what we're really talking about) only want to work on video games or something.

      I did look at some degree statistics recently and saw that computer science degrees (and engineering degrees in general) are quite a small slice of the overall college education pie. You know what most people are going to college for now? Business and law. Everyone wants to either be a CEO or a lawyer.

      Anyway, I wish H1Bs weren't necessary, but from what I've seen we really do have a shortage of qualified computer science graduates. What I assume happened is that the dotcom crash put an entire generation off of pursuing CS. The only people going into it now are those with a passion for it, and that's apparently not enough to meet the demand.

    • Re:Thank God. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by seldolivaw (179178) <me@seldo . c om> on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @11:10AM (#40295933) Homepage

      Resurrecting this long-dormant account to respond to this trolling:

      Firstly, speaking as an H-1B holder, the law *requires* that H-1B workers are paid the average salary or better for their job title in their location -- e.g. an H-1B worker hired as a "junior software engineer" in San Francisco cannot be paid less than $90,000. It is therefore mathematically impossible for H-1B workers to lower the average wage paid to tech workers. If you're curious about what H-1B wages are like near you, you can look them up here: http://www.flcdatacenter.com/ [flcdatacenter.com]

      Secondly, speaking as a co-founder of a startup, I can assure you that the skills gap is extremely real. Merely having a CS degree does not impart you with some magical ability to write quality software. The world is full of really terrible coders, and almost no good ones. It is extremely hard to hire right now.

      • by Belial6 (794905)
        Of course it can. You just hire senior software engineers and give them the title of junior software engineer. You then opt not to hire senior software engineers at a hire rate and you have just lowered the average wage paid to tech workers. I would think that as someone who was the co-founder of a startup, and the holder of an H-1B visa because your better than your American counterparts, you could have figured out that on your own.
  • by smooth wombat (796938) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:17AM (#40293963) Homepage Journal

    I know this will sound crazy, and I'm just spitballing here, but bear with me.

    There is a large group of people in this country trying to find jobs. Some have been out of work for months, if not years, while others are looking to move on with their career. Tech companies are complaining they can't find anyone which is why they have to go the H-1B visa route

    Here comes the crazy part. Someone needs to figure out a way to get the people who are out of work in touch with these companies who are "desperate" to fill these open positions. It's a win-win situation. People who are out of work get to go back to work, and companies get to fill these open positions.

    I'm not capable of figuring out how to do this so someone else will have to do the heavy lifting, but I assure you, if there is some way this can be done, they will be given laurels by the tech industry.

    • by dkf (304284) <donal.k.fellows@manchester.ac.uk> on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:24AM (#40294005) Homepage

      Someone needs to figure out a way to get the people who are out of work in touch with these companies who are "desperate" to fill these open positions. It's a win-win situation.

      Won't work. Many of those Americans aren't skilled in tech, and none of them are willing to be treated as slaves. That means that they'll have the temerity to demand proper training and pay! That would never do, as it might slightly cut into the fat bonuses given to part of the 1% lording it over the tech industry...

    • by snobody (990539) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:39AM (#40294147)
      You mean, ways to find workers like Monster.com or Dice.com?

      These companies aren't hiring anyone that they would have to train unless they're just looking for an H1B worker. I work for a large multinational company in the U.S. and I have seen the job postings they put out. They're so full of precise specifics that the worker absolutely must have that an American engineer won't be able to fit the bill. Then they hire the H1B from the overseas office that they had in mind in the first place (and who fit the onerous job requirements exactly, strangely enough) and pay him less. It's a scam. What we need is a nice, well-funded PAC for IT workers and engineers that can lean on the lawmakers and tell Oracle and Micro$oft to get bent. The only way to get the lawmakers to listen to us is to bribe them with campaign contributions. It sucks, but that's the system we have in this country.

      Oh, and this Project for a New American Economy reminds me a lot of the Project for a New American Century, which brought us the Iraq war.
      • They're so full of precise specifics that the worker absolutely must have that an American engineer won't be able to fit the bill. Then they hire the H1B from the overseas office that they had in mind in the first place (and who fit the onerous job requirements exactly, strangely enough) and pay him less.

        Yep. That's exactly how it works. If you have any doubts about that, watch this. [youtube.com]

    • IANAE but my understanding is that 'the market' works under the premise that supply will increase to the level required by demand, and prices will be set wherever the points meet.

      If the situation is that there are people in the US who qualify for the jobs, then the industry must not be willing to pay enough to get these people to work.

      If the situation is that there are not enough people in the US who qualify for the jobs, then we should see industry paying much more than would otherwise be expected to fill

    • This idea is based on the assumption that corporations want to find these people. That's not a good assumption.

    • They're in touch. HR departments find excuses to skip over qualified American workers and sponsor as many H1Bs as they are allowed. I've seen it firsthand. Try to prove it, though. The game is rigged.

      We need some big new powerful unions in this country.

  • Duh! (Score:5, Funny)

    by CajunArson (465943) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:20AM (#40293981) Journal

    Just go to H1B v6 and you'll get a HUGE number of available slots.

  • by pev (2186) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:26AM (#40294019) Homepage

    Er... Is it really that hard to train up some good people in six years? Surely the last remaining world super-power could manage that?

    • It is cheaper to get other countries to train people, then import them to work here.
    • by Krneki (1192201)
      Why would you want to do that when you can get people already trained? The free market will resolve all human problems, nothing to see here, move along.
    • Your proposal sounds dangerously close to advocating that we spend our precious, precious, resources on developing the skills of workers rather than handing performance bonuses to management or dividends to investors. Go back to Cuba, Communist!

      Sure, we could apply the radical theory that markets are reasonably good at balancing supply and demand, and tell the people whining to Congress that if their supply is too low, they just aren't paying enough, or doing enough to bolster supply(eg. by hiring candid
    • by JasterBobaMereel (1102861) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @09:06AM (#40294391)

      ..apparently the answer is Yes

      The world last Superpower is only that based on it's military, which is based on manufacturing strength

      The more that is outsourced and done elsewhere the less US corporations will have to deal with US workers ... you already have one of the largest differences in Pay between Management and Workers, weak or non-existent unions to protect workers rights..... I see a future when a few corporations will get very rich, and the US population will be out of work

       

    • Re:Shortage by 2018 (Score:4, Informative)

      by gman003 (1693318) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @09:07AM (#40294397)

      Surely the last remaining world super-power could manage that?

      Well yes, they probably could, but I fail to see what China has to do with any of this...

  • by laffer1 (701823) <luke@foo l i s h g a m e s.com> on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:28AM (#40294049) Homepage Journal

    When my former employer started hiring H1B, the government did a check of salaries compared to market values in the area. The other programmers had to get a raise. There are laws about salary, especially for the guy managing an H1B employee which turned out to be me. He also turned out to be one of the best programmers I've worked with.

    I used to have strong feelings against the H1B program, but after seeing jobs unfilled at several employers now, sometimes it makes sense.

  • by gbjbaanb (229885) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:28AM (#40294051)

    "Industry lobby group Partnership for A New American Economy last month released a study that claims the U.S. will face a shortage of 224,000 tech workers by 2018 unless more native workers are taken on and trained!

    fixed that for them, I wonder if they appreciate my contribution on their behalf.

  • This is a total scam. I'm all for people immigrating to the US and assimilating. But this worker program is a complete and total scam. Why don't we import lawyers by the tens of thousands and see how the politicians (most of whom were lawyers) react? We have plenty of US Citizens who are unemployed and are trainable in IT.
    • Thankfully, legal systems, codes of law, and bodies of case law vary nontrivially between jurisdictions, and we have, um, totally vital, regulations to the effect that you need to be certified state-by-state in order to legally practice. This protects vulnerable Americans from an influx of cheap foreign lawyers...
  • by Krneki (1192201) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:29AM (#40294059)
    Thyr T'rk 'r jewrg!
  • by Baldrson (78598) * on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:30AM (#40294071) Homepage Journal
    This should probably be its own /. story:

    Study: When highly skilled immigrants move in, highly skilled natives move out [eurekalert.org]

    In the first study to measure the temporary impact of highly skilled immigrants on native populations, University of Notre Dame Economist Abigail Wozniak and Fairfield University's Thomas J. Murray — a former Notre Dame graduate student — found that when highly skilled immigrants move to a city or town, the U.S. natives in that area who are also highly skilled tend to move away. However, the study found that the same immigrant group's presence decreases the chances that low-skilled natives would leave.

    "High skill" refers to those having some post-secondary education or above, while "low skill" are those with a high school diploma or less education. "Natives" refer to U.S. citizens by birth.

    According to the study, which will appear in the July issue of the Journal of Urban Economics, smaller and more geographically isolated cities show the biggest impacts. There was little difference in results between growing versus declining cities.

    "We conclude that natives with less education take longer to adjust to the arrival of immigrants in their local labor market than do natives with more education," Wozniak says. "These effects are more pronounced in smaller, more isolated communities, from where it would be more difficult and expensive for less skilled natives to relocate."...

    • by Belial6 (794905)
      The study found that when job pressures increase, the more mobile of society who are being pressured move to greener pastures while those who are less mobile and not being pressured don't move? Amazing! It almost sounds like people don't want to be out of work.
  • by pkbarbiedoll (851110) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:41AM (#40294159)

    First they whine about having to pay too many taxes, and they complain about being oppressed by too many regulations. They want to pay no taxes and have next to no government interference in their profiteering.

    They want to pay zero taxes, yet they want the government to give them a strong military, police and justice system so their profits and interests are adequately protected. They want to pay nothing to the IRS, yet want a well designed and functioning infrastructure in which to operate.

    And now they want to create a false sense of emergency with regard to their work force, to hire complacent, affordable foreign workers via H1-B, rather than hire domestic workers some of whom may be unemployed by no fault of their own.

    Why is it we continue bending over backwards for these unpatriotic "people" again?

  • So H.R. are either the laziest fuckers in the entire world or they are openly deceptive.

    Please... this is why all those yelling about "job killing regulations" are full of it. Our multinationals don't follow rules they don't want to follow because government has become their lapdog.

  • Jobs for Americans? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by mark_reh (2015546) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:46AM (#40294213) Journal

    CEOs of tech companies don't want to pay taxes or decent wages and benefits and want a large pool of educated people to hire from. They have a two part strategy: (1) work deals to avoid paying taxes thus screwing Americans out of a decent education (California is a great example), and resulting in "not enough qualified applicants",which justifies (2) expanding the H1B visa program.

    H1B visa workers are essentially slaves. They have to accept whatever pay and working conditions they are given because if they don't like either they have to go back where they came from. It's perfect for tech employers. The extra 65000 slaves per year coming into the US drives down the wages and benefits for American workers who have to compete against people coming from 3rd world hell-holes.

    I used to be an engineer and worked for HP, TI, Motorola and a couple other companies. I've seen how the companies conspire to fix wages and benefits and I've seen and known several H1B slaves. I saw the writing on the wall several years ago and went back to school and became a dentist. Engineering is a dead end in the US. If you're in school for engineering now I'd start thinking about doing something else.

  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @08:48AM (#40294221) Journal
    A few years back, all the 65000 visas ran out in just a few hours. I am surprised visas were available till Nov last year and it still has not run out yet this year. I am sure there are multiple causes for it. One could be that the economy is not generating that many jobs. Another could be that the internet connections have improved to the point where it is possible to do the work in India.

    Also many young Indians no longer want to work in USA. Almost all the popular entertainment is now available in USA unlike the situation some 10 years ago. All the TV channels of all the languages are available either via satellite or via internet streaming. Cricket clubs are popping up everywhere and cricket channels are available from UK and Australia too. Vegetarianism support has increased tremendously over the last decade. Technically the life of a fresh immigrant Indian is much easier now than it was when were coming in, the early 1990s. But the biggest problem is the domestic chores. In India labor is so cheap, these people usually employ a maid and possibly a cook. Back then when I was earning 200$ a month as a government scientist I was spending 10$ a month on a maid. (All seven days a week, scrub the cement floor with wet rags and disinfectant, do the dishes, do the laundry and clean the bathrooms). So they don't do any household chores and consider cleaning the bathroom beneath their dignity. So now USA has lost its luster for the younger generation of India.

    It is a pity. They don't know what they are missing. They are highly misinformed about America. They think India is going to be the super power in 20 years. They have absolutely no idea of the depth of the strength of America and the time it would take to build a society like America. Of course it would take just a few decades to undo it. But to build it, it would take a few centuries. They don't know that.

  • by Why Login (923394) on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @09:05AM (#40294381) Journal
    Statistics show most of H1Bs are filed for IT jobs: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2012-H1B-Visa-Category.aspx?T=OC [myvisajobs.com]

    by large IT companies: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2012-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx [myvisajobs.com] Guess what? H1B is the only reasonable route for educated people to immigrate legally to US (aside from marriage and family ties, and lottery.) Due to annual cap, that is mostly taken by large IT companies, other folks are out of luck. I went to school for 10 years in US, got doctorate degree, and can't just open my own clinic and practice. I am not taking anybody else's job - I'll create jobs. But current immigration system does not allow that, unless you are rich right out of school and can invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in your business in order to get E2 visa. Even then, you cannot get residency and citizenship later, ever; only renew E2, if you are lucky. So, H1B is the only reasonable option: get hired, work for several years, and then get residency through permanent employment. However, most private clinics do not want to spend time and money to start H1B paperwork in April and wait until October for the worker to start working. Immigration system is ridiculous and that's why there are so many illegals. People just cannot get through the system even when they try to do it legally.

  • by rogerz (78608) <roger@nOSPAm.3playmedia.com> on Tuesday June 12, 2012 @11:42AM (#40296305)

    There is nothing to distinguish the primary sentiments expressed here from the hatred of European Jews, Italians, Irish, West-Africans, etc. that have been voiced by the most backward and unthinking bigots throughout American history. Each of the individuals seeking work here has - in our founders' terms - an inalienable right to pursue their happiness in any peaceful manner they choose.

    When they ask for a job at a given wage, they are infringing no one else's rights - noone has a "right" to a job at a higher wage than the employer is willing to pay. It is only by dropping this context that someone can complain about the so-called "unfair" competition imposed by other individual job seekers, no matter where they come from. There is no un-bigoted reason to prefer that someone born in America gets a given job over someone born elsewhere.

    Yes, the H-1B visa program should be abolished - in favor of absolutely free immigration and job-seeking by any non-criminal from any place in the world. This is America's promise, as expressed eloquently on the Statue of Liberty. Where has that spirit gone?

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