NATO Exercise Banned From Jamming GPS 260
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from the no-jamming-zone dept.
judgecorp writes "A major NATO exercise off the coast of Scotland has been ordered to stop using GPS jamming technology after complaints that to do so would endanger the lives of fishermen and disrupt civilian mobile phones. The exercise — called 'Joint Warrior' — planned to disrupt GPS for 20 miles around each warship"
Re:What? (Score:5, Informative)
What happened to being able to read a chart, keeping a sextant on-board, triangulating your position with a compass, and all the other skills people used to be taught?
The innumerable shipwrecks dotting the shores of the British Isles over the centuries suggest that GPS navigation might be a bit more foolproof than those methods.
Re:What? (Score:4, Informative)
What happened to being able to read a chart, keeping a sextant on-board, triangulating your position with a compass, and all the other skills people used to be taught?
They still are taught (certainly to military navigators), but these techniques are only useful for relatively coarse navigation. Fine to get your boat home to port, but not very useful to accurately locate a particular crab pot, trawl a particular area while avoiding no-go zones or known obstructions, hold station over an dive site, oil or gas well head etc.
Re:fake it (Score:5, Informative)
Not at all. The effect jamming has on GPS is already well established and can be reliably reproduced in a lab/classroom environment - the receivers mostly just cease to work. Also nothing screams "I am exactly right here" quite like a jammer does, any half decent rack of ELINT gear will locate it within a very short space of time.
The parent is correct.
Re:fake it (Score:4, Informative)
Did you see his sig?
Re:The US owns the satellites (Score:5, Informative)
This is why:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System [wikipedia.org]
Navigation at sea (Score:3, Informative)
I recently studied all of this and passed the theoretic exam. Hey, I want to be a seaman.
The practice is somewhat different. You take GPS for granted. You also take the plotter for granted. And the collision warning thingy that goes beeeeep.
I wouldn't be surprised if a disruption of GPS actually will kill people. And I don't blame GPS but the able navigators that probably aren't.
Re:fake it (Score:4, Informative)
So if your ships can readily navigate without GPS , then you can be pretty sure that all other military vessels will be able to do the same.
So this is not a military exercise in the normal sense, this exercise is obviously targeted at military actions against civilian populations, where GPS jamming comes into play,
What a load of rubbish.
Near-fleet GPS jamming has nothing to do with ship navigation. Navies have been navigating ships without GPS for several hundred years. GPS jamming is to decoy incoming missiles which use GPS as ONE OF the methods of target location.
Civilians, on the other hand have no critical dependency on GPS. Its largely a toy for the day to day user and a convenient (but non critical) aid for the traveler.
The GPS bands are no where near satellite TV bands.
GPS satellites broadcast at the same two frequencies, 1.57542 GHz (L1 signal) and 1.2276 GHz (L2 signal).
Satellite TV uses the C-band frequencies of 5.4 GHz band (5.15 to 5.35 GHz, or 5.47 to 5.725 GHz, or 5.725 to 5.875 GHz, depending on the region of the world).
Therefore it seems highly unlikely GPS jamming is the cause of any significant TV reception problems.
G-Band (aka C-Band Radar) sits right in the middle of the Satellite TV band, and that is the likely source of any TV interference.
Mercator Projection: Why Scotland's sea is NOT BIG (Score:5, Informative)
>the ocean is big
Sigh. Mercator Projection [wikimedia.org].
The "ocean" around Scotland is NOT big. The SEA around Scotland is actually quite small. It's as far north as Newfoundland and Labrador.
It just LOOKS big on the map due to two-dimensional maps stretching out the northern and southern extremities of Earth.
Scotland, in particular Faslane, is where NATO keeps its nuclear submarines. The locals live cheek-by-jowl with these submariners and for the most part get along just fine. But closing off all the sea between all the inhabited islands in the west of Scotland just isn't feasible.
Scotland's only 200x150 miles (Score:5, Informative)
>What the hell is a fishing boat doing within 20 miles of a major exercise?
Scotland is only 200 miles x 150 miles in size. A fourty-mile exclusion zone (20 miles radius) would kill the entire marine economy for the western coast of the country.
And the marine economy is pretty much the only economy in western Scotland.