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Court Filing On How 2004 Ohio Election Hacked 504

Posted by CmdrTaco
from the still-not-over-this-yet-eh dept.
chimpo13 writes "A new filing in the King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case includes a copy of the Ohio Secretary of State election production system configuration that was in use in Ohio's 2004 presidential election when there was a sudden and unexpected shift in votes for George W. Bush."
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Court Filing On How 2004 Ohio Election Hacked

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  • Re:Funny how (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tsingi (870990) <graham,rick&gmail,com> on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @08:55AM (#36882230)
    The thing is, he didn't win, he stole the election. The same thing happened in Florida.
    That ass should be in jail for so many reasons.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:04AM (#36882300)

    Real Clear Politics poll aggregation showed that Bush led Kerry going into the election in Ohio, and had led nationally since the September before the election - it would have been surprising if Kerry won. Exit polling can be and has been unreliable - that's why it's only used as an indicator and not on it's own (precinct turnout is usually more indicative of who's going to win).

    Really, just let it go. Kerry just lost - sometimes that's all there is to it.

  • Re:Funny how (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:18AM (#36882442)

    Check your facts. News orgs. did check in FL after the 2K election and found that Bush would have won. He did not steal the election. However, I disagreed with the Supremes when they wrote that it was too late and gave Bush the win.

    Except for that whole removing thousands of democratic voters from the roles even though they were qualified to vote thing, right? I'm sure that had no possible impact on an election that hinged on a few hundred votes, right?

  • Re:This just proves (Score:5, Interesting)

    by dkleinsc (563838) on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:26AM (#36882540)

    Actually, what you need is a political culture in your state that values integrity and good ideas over party loyalty. A great example of this is New Hampshire: Their Secretary of State, Bill Gardner, has been in office since 1976, throughout both Democratic and Republican governorships and legislatures, mostly because he's very good at his job and widely seen as valuing clean elections expressing the will of the voters.

    Compare that to Ohio, where Secretary of State is often a very politicized position and where Ken Blackwell (the defendant) was doing everything he could to ensure that his party would win. These kinds of things were widely reported in newspapers:
    - Rejecting voter registrations from heavily Democratic areas because they were on the wrong paper stock.
    - Rejecting voter registrations from liberal political groups because they had, in order to comply with applicable laws, submitted all the registration forms they got, including ones from Mickey Mouse and the like.
    - Refusing to do anything at all about churches explicitly endorsing Republican candidates (if a religious body endorses a candidate, they are supposed to lose their tax-exempt status).
    - Putting fewer voting machines in precincts likely to vote Democrat than in precincts likely to vote Republican, so that Democratic voters had to wait for hours to vote while Republican voters took about 15-30 minutes.

  • Re:Funny how (Score:5, Interesting)

    by antifoidulus (807088) on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @09:59AM (#36882962) Homepage Journal
    If what you say is true, and I have heard nothing to back that up, then it sounds like the Democrats screwed themselves. So Bush didn't steal the election. Democrats gave it to him.

    In more ways than one. The outrage over Clinton's handling of the Elian Gonzalez debacle enraged the quite sizable Cuban American community in Florida. And while Gore did some half-assed back pedaling on the issue, there were probably more than 500 people who were so mad over how Clinton, and by extension Gore, handled the whole thing that they either changed their vote, voted for a 3rd party, or abstained. Had Clinton just let the whole thing slide then the election may have turned out very differently.

    I guess you could consider the whole thing a study in chaos theory. Had Gonzalez's family waited another year to try to flee Cuba history may have turned out differently.
  • by LynnwoodRooster (966895) on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @10:00AM (#36882974) Journal
    It's OK, Washington State's Gubernatorial election in 2004 shows that even if you have paper ballots, they can be corrupted as well. And you can keep finding bags and bags of votes that break 70/30 for one candidate (when the district they came from broke 55/45 for that candidate) for weeks on end, until just enough votes are found to give a 124 vote margin and declare a winner.

    .
    You don't need e-voting to blow elections - just corrupt officials and complicit courts.

  • by wbav (223901) <Guardian.Bob+Slashdot@gmail.com> on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @10:12AM (#36883126) Homepage Journal
    We have a different type of electronic voting. Oregon uses vote by mail, and each person fills out a scan-tron form (something a 2nd grader can do). Not only is there a paper trail, but it is proven technology.

    Voting intimidation is eliminated when you vote in your own home and you don't have to deal with crowded poll places. I don't understand why more states don't do this.

    And now for the tangent, more and more we are seeing the evil republican label. Similarly, it is the socialist, Marxist liberals. Both labels are hyperbole. The two parties aren't all that different really, they agree on most things. The thing that kills me is people don't realize that to make it to congress, you must be at least millionaire. You want to know why the Bush tax cuts haven't expired? Why the democrats haven't beaten the republicans over the head with it? They don't want to see their own taxes go up, just like the republicans. They just have to talk a good game to continue to be elected.

    It is only when their supporters really get pissed off that they do something, because they like their cushy job and free, government run health care.

    As for claims of vote hacking, neither side really wants an investigation. Think about it, right now the US is seen is fat, lazy and stupid. Do you really want to add slow to that mix? While it would make a lot of us feel good, from the outside, if a former president is put in jail, what does it look like?

    Probably something like, we're stupid, fat, lazy, slow and cannot properly investigate a crime. The last thing anyone on either side wants to do is suggest that our law enforcement is somehow inadequate, it would just invite others to exploit that. It is the same security theater as TSA, just on a different stage.

  • Re:This just proves (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bucky0 (229117) on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @10:55AM (#36883756)

    Not to comment at all on the rest of it (I've got a paper to write!) but, I thought it was strange people jumped on that number and conflated it to mean that our government is supporting 80 million freeloaders (not saying you specifically, but if you look at the rabid articles about it on the internet, that's the impression I get)

    a) There's no comparison made to other countries, so that's just an arbitrary measurement in arbitrary units (If I told you the higgs boson was 114 GeV, and didn't give you any sense of scale, would you think that was big or small?)

    b) When you look at the breakdown, 55 million of those checks come from only social security. Are we now arguing that people who collect SS are freeloaders?

    c) Of the remaining 35 million checks, 10 million checks comes from tax refunds (they obviously cluster around april 15th, but when you amortize it, it's 10 million/month)

    d) We're down to 25 million checks then, and pay for veterans benefits (4.1 mil), retirements (2.6 mil), and contractors (1.4 mil) out of that leaving us with ~16.9 million or so checks.

    The breakdown I found has more categories, but I picked off all the things that would be pretty non-contentious (I didn't include medicare or medicade, which seems to be a lot of people's big target these things). It's not like our government is a freewheeling money-printing machine like people keep making it out to be

  • Re:So what? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Cajun Hell (725246) on Tuesday July 26, 2011 @11:32AM (#36884432) Homepage Journal

    Give me a third party with the size and principles..

    Maybe someone should give you a pony too.

    It's particularly disappointing that you want the size given to you. It sounds like you're saying you refuse to vote for real candidates (assuming someone else does the job of giving them to you), unless a bunch of other people vote for them first (of course, by then, it's too late and the candidate has lost, because you refused to vote along side them, since that candidate's victory had not already been assured).

    Your attitude is why we can't escape the Democrats and Republicans. You are the problem that you're complaining about.

    Imagine the world where Thomas Jefferson wrote:

    When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, we can only hope that someone gives those people what they want. King George is bad, and we humbly request him to appoint a new king. (We don't care who; that's not our problem.) If he refuses to do so, we will continue to recognize his authority but we'll be slightly irked.

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