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Kaminsky Offers Injection Antidote 244

Posted by kdawson
from the won't-have-xss-to-kick-around-anymore dept.
ancientribe passes along this excerpt from DarkReading.com: "Life's too short to defend broken code. That's the reason renowned researcher Dan Kaminsky says he came up with a brand-new way to prevent pervasive SQL injection, cross-site scripting, and other injection-type flaws in software — a framework that lets developers continue to write code the way they always have, but with a tool that helps prevent them from inadvertently leaving these flaws in their apps. The tool, which he released today for input from the development and security community, basically takes the security responsibility off the shoulders of developers. Putting the onus on them hasn't worked well thus far, he says. Kaminsky's new tool is part of his new startup, Recursive Ventures."
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Kaminsky Offers Injection Antidote

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  • "Kaminsky" (Score:0, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 15, 2010 @05:58AM (#32575872)

    Apparently all you have to do is include "Kaminsky" in the summary to get a Slashdot article to the front page. This post has zero real content and TFA uses the word "productize", for science's sake. Looks like Kaminsky has become the nearest thing to a rock star that the security industry has.. which is too bad, because he's sort of a douche bag in real life.

  • Re:Parameterized SQL (Score:5, Interesting)

    by erroneus (253617) on Tuesday June 15, 2010 @06:11AM (#32575916) Homepage

    There is truth in what you say. "Developer culture" has grown in many bad an improper ways. It's sad and unfortunate. Of course, every time I say so, I lose karma points or whatever. But you have to admit that developer culture varies largely on the platform for which they are developing. Are there excellent Windows coders? Oh yeah, I'm sure of it. Are there bad Windows coders. The question doesn't need to be asked. What is the rate and proportion of said developers? It's a guess but I favor a higher proportion of bad coders in Windows. Do other platforms foster bad/lazy coding?

    Well, as put, yes. Tutorials and methods and the like tend to get the messages across as simply and directly as possible. Inserting error check and validation code might confuse matters. But for people who are learning, they may not realize the need for such code until it is too late.

    I can't even think of writing code without checks for every condition imaginable simply because when I started coding, I was learning among peers whose favorite thing to do was poke holes in your code in some way or another. I guess that's known today as "peer review" but it was more like peer pressure review when I was in school. The last thing I wanted was to have embarrassing or code that may be ridiculed. And I think that's what TRULY missing in today's development environments -- shame and ridicule.

    Windows and Mac are both quite "closed source" and peer review, if any ever occurs, happens internally. Linux is open sourced and peer review happens all the time.

  • Another crutch (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Mag7 (69118) on Tuesday June 15, 2010 @06:37AM (#32576012) Homepage

    Great, let's keep offering a crutch to crappy programmers instead of letting them be shamed out of the industry when they cock up something that nowadays is quite well understood.

  • by hubert.lepicki (1119397) on Tuesday June 15, 2010 @06:43AM (#32576044)

    It doesn't say anything about how this actually works and how it differs from existing solutions. And, hey, most developers aware of SQL injection / XSS etc already protect their apps. Rails has got both, PHP frameworks have, Java had it since like for ever (2001?). What's the point of this article?

  • by dirtyhippie (259852) on Tuesday June 15, 2010 @07:01AM (#32576088) Homepage

    Seems to me that this is just perl's taint mode, implemented in a less elegant fashion (one that relies on variable name prefixes, ugh).

    From perldoc perlsec:
                  You may not use data derived from outside your program to affect
                  something else outside your program--at least, not by accident. All
                  command line arguments, environment variables, locale information (see
                  perllocale), results of certain system calls ("readdir()",
                  "readlink()" [snip - "and other stuff" ] and all file input are marked as "tainted".
                  Tainted data may not be used directly or indirectly in any command that
                  invokes a sub-shell, nor in any command that modifies files,
                  directories, or processes, with the following exceptions:

    http://www.webreference.com/programming/perl/taint/ [webreference.com]

    In short, it's not that interesting, although if people pick it up and actually use it, it could do some good.

  • Re:Parameterized SQL (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Charliemopps (1157495) on Tuesday June 15, 2010 @09:03AM (#32576862)
    Have been in the situation of having no idea what I was doing and writing business critical code, I'd like to explain how this happens. My boss comes to my team and yells "DO MORE WITH LESS!!!" They decide my department is now in charge of things some other department used to do but they fired them all. When we can't keep up, management comes to us and declares that we obviously must be surfing SlashDot all day instead of working and institutes a metrics system. It's supposed to track every piece of work we do, assign how long it "Should" take to complete (a totally invented number) and then track it. At the end of the day we get a stat that says we were "70% productive" because we completed 70% of what they thought we should. What the system really does is make it take twice as long to do all that work that we now had too much of to do anyway. We start working through our breaks and lunches trying to make our numbers. Finally one day I realize the similarity between many of our tasks. I realize a lot of tasks could be made easier if there was a web-page that collected a lot of the info together, and then maybe some scripting that added things to some different databases. I have limited skills coding so I go out and find example code, manipulate that code until it "sort of" works for what I need. Finally I can make my stats. After a few weeks my manager comes to me "It's impossible for you to meet these stats how are you doing it!" I explain what I have written and I suggest that we have our code department write something similar that actually follows standards and what-not. But no, they apparently are not taking on any new projects at this time because they are busy writing a database for tracking their projects (Totally serious, that's really why they denied our request) My boss decides that what I've written is too important for them not to use. I explain MANY TIMES that I am not a programmer, have no schooling, I just found bits of code on the net, modified it extensively, and not only that what I've written goes down in flames on a REGULAR basis. We're talking database corruption, Crashing the entire workstation etc... They understand that but are going ahead with it. They say they will get a spare programmer to help me work the bugs out when ones available. It's now 3 years ago, my code has grown into a monstrosity beyond imagination. It controls much of everything we do, but every few hours I'm called to fix it. One of the databases corrupts so often that I have it back itself up every 15 minutes but we still constantly lose data. Meanwhile my boss has had me add feature after feature and completely eliminated any time I had been given to maintain the code, making things more complex and dooming the entire system to an even earlier death. When they finally got a coder to look at it was such a mess at that point that they quoted them a total rewrite and a price tag that was 4x my annual salary. The fact that the entire thing hasn't collapsed in on itself is a shocking to me, meanwhile my department is now so dependent on the mess that when it collapses I don't think we could continue to function at all.
  • Re:Another crutch (Score:4, Interesting)

    by imunfair (877689) on Tuesday June 15, 2010 @02:14PM (#32581380) Homepage

    As much as I like good code, people like that are not doing their job. Clean up code as much as you have time for while doing your own job, but when you start missing deadlines you visibly cost the company money. Best course of action would be to note down dirty code for after release so that your manager can give you time to write a patch for important issues.

    Like it says in this entertaining article:
    http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2009/09/23.html [joelonsoftware.com]

    "Shipping is a feature"

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