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Collateral Damage From Cyber Warfare? 134

theodp writes "If you're thinking about applying for that open US cyber warfare czar position, Robert X. Cringely points out that you will have to effectively function as a world cyber warfare czar, a fact that neither Republican nor Democratic Administrations have yet been willing to embrace, at least in public. The international nature of today's outsourced-and-offshored IT business has big implications for US security. Try to do a security audit of your company's technical resources in Argentina or Bangladesh, suggests Bob, and see what nightmare is unveiled. Toss some random Code Gods into the mix, says Cringely, and it's really too tough to predict who might win in a game of US vs. Albania."
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Collateral Damage From Cyber Warfare?

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  • Re:Hmmm... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mcgrew ( 92797 ) on Thursday June 11, 2009 @11:37AM (#28294617) Homepage Journal

    Having a real free world market is the rich's wet dream, and they've effectively accomplished it. You have H1-B visas so the rich can hire Indians, who don't have the high prices we do. They use Mexicans here illegally to do jobs that Americans would do if they were paid appropriately.

    How is a worker to "move where they pay the most" when he as no job? No job means no money for most people.

    In a world you describe it would be a lot easier for the rich to hold their power and privelege. Why do you think the rich lobby for things like NAFTA?

  • Re:Hmmm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by gringofrijolero ( 1489395 ) on Thursday June 11, 2009 @11:45AM (#28294745) Journal

    Don't you understand the one way nature of those regs? They don't want a free market at all. They want control, under the guise of "freedom". That "freedom" is for them only, and we get American Idol. You're not getting it. No borders means freedom for everybody to live where they please, not where the authorities grant you permission for somebody else's profit. Right now you are property of the state.

  • Re:Hmmm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Narpak ( 961733 ) on Thursday June 11, 2009 @12:05PM (#28295071)

    And to make sure the laws are reasonably and fairly enforced, we'll get the Human Rights Council to oversee that (you know the one that has China and Cuba on it--such fine upstanding respecters of human rights).

    And USA and Britain for that matter; another two Nations with a far from flawless Human Rights record. Though if we really wanted point out the irony of the Human Rights Council not only are China, Cuba, USA and the UK on it but it also include; Saudi Arabia, Russian Federation, Egypt and Pakistan (and others who I don't really know anything about but I am sure have their share of closeted skeletons).

  • Re:Hmmm... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ShieldW0lf ( 601553 ) on Thursday June 11, 2009 @12:09PM (#28295145) Journal

    You know, if us suckers would stop governing our daily affairs with money, we wouldn't have the problem. Giving someone money is like handing them your voice in society. It's like a vote that you never get to take back even when you realize you've been conned. Which means conning suckers and using them harshly is the number one mechanism to achieve power. Is that what you want to support?

    The state isn't supposed to rule you. The state is all of you speaking together with one voice. Stop being cowards and claim your birthright.

  • lol!

    nationalism is in fact a corrosive force in the world. i share your hatred of it. i share your hatred of the rich too. but at least i understand what nationalism is and what the rich aristocracy is a hell of a lot better than you do. the notion that it is invented by the rich is retarded

    nationalism is really just a form of tribalism, extended over a broader area because of commonalities of ethnic allegiance and shared language. it requires a modern media to drive it, and this explains why and how modern european nationalism arose after the invention of the printing press

    but it's all self-emerging, it requires no force to drive it. there is no funding needed to create nationalism, it is just something that appears amongst passionate nationalists, most often the poor middle class, in fact: study the history of any nations nationalistic heroes

    in fact, much of the agenda and interests of the rich and the aristocratic classes throughout history is diametrically opposed to nationalistic forces, and the rich have frequently succumbed to populist nationalist uprisings throughout history. the aristocracy was and is often described by nationalist narratives as sell-outs ready to betray their own people

    not that plenty of rich in many countries are often enthusiastically nationalistic, but this not a cause-effect relationship, in either direction. just look at the history of communist china or communist russia if you want to see a better example of the rich being skewered in the name of populist nationalist uprisings, nevermind the fact that nationalist instincts in those countries are still continuously manipulated propagandisitically according to governmental instruments- not the rich

  • by spun ( 1352 ) <loverevolutionary&yahoo,com> on Thursday June 11, 2009 @01:29PM (#28296517) Journal

    Cooperation is no less natural than domination. What's your point? Tribalism evolved from peeing on bushes?

    There are two cultures in the world. The culture of feast and the culture of famine. You don't even know what the first one looks like, do you? Read 'The Continuum Concept' for a look at what non starvation oriented human societies look like. Look at the bonobo chimpanzees of South Africa for an animal example.

    Everything does NOT try to get as big as it can. The universe is NOT total war of all against all, that is a culture of famine concept. And it is a self reinforcing, self fulfilling concept.

  • Wall Street downtime (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Thursday June 11, 2009 @01:32PM (#28296577) Homepage

    What worries me is an attack that takes Wall Street down for three weeks. When it comes back up, the US will no longer be the financial center of the world. Singapore, Beijing, and Dubai will have taken up the load.

    That wasn't possible in 2001, by the way; the other trading centers didn't have the capacity or the capital backing. Now they do.

    Then again, Beijing is going to displace New York within a decade anyway. The US is now a debtor nation, and trading moves away from debtor nations.

  • Re:Hmmm... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) * on Thursday June 11, 2009 @03:03PM (#28298203)

    You don't even have to whip anybody.

    Kinda takes all the fun out of this slavery thing.

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