wertigon writes "Windows Live ID just became yet another OpenID-provider. While the cynical me wonders how long it'll be before Microsoft transforms OpenID to something proprietary, they have undoubtedly put even more weight behind the OpenID initiative. So, how long before I can use my OpenID to post on Slashdot?" Patches are always welcome, wertigon ;)
Windows Live ID just became yet another OpenID-provider.
True.
they have undoubtedly put even more weight behind the OpenID initiative.
False.
So, how long before I can use my OpenID to post on Slashdot?
Oh poor poor wertigon. You won't even be able to log into MS Live with it. I can go to wordpress, verisign, aol and all that jazz and login with my OpenID. I can go to sites listed as OpenID and login when I've never even been there before. Yet, when I go to the page that Microsoft lists for Live, I can't. Why is this? Because they're only providing IDs, not accepting other OpenIDs.
You will soon be able to use your Windows Live ID account to sign in to any OpenID Web site!
That's it. That's all you get. No future plans are listed to accept OpenID accounts either.
OpenID's mission is to have one single login for every single website out there. So far, it was doing great. Now, I want to check my hotmail with my (pre-existing) OpenID. No luck. Unless you start at Windows Live and move to the rest of the OpenID sites, you are no closer to achieving OpenID's goal and vision. This is a ridiculous mangling of a great idea.
When Microsoft fully supports it--when they both accept and provide IDs--that's when I'll agree with this headline. Microsoft should be implementing a way to associate your Live ID with your OpenID and use your OpenID to login to Live. But they aren't & I doubt they ever will.
This is still a useful development. I can now allow MSN Messenger using friends to read my friends-only livejournal posts without having to ask them to sign up for LiveJournal or OpenID (which most people outside of geekdom will not have heard of)
Exactly, and this half-functionality is why this move undermines OpenID and what it stands for.
You see, OpenID still works, but it works *better* if you use Microsoft's version. Soon enough you'll find that everyone's reaching for those MS ids just to remain compatible, and MS will get what they couldn't with their Passport scheme, or LiveId or however it's called these days.
It's the same embrace, extend, extinguish bullshit again, and in my opinion, the community should just reject these MS-provided ids until they learn to play ball.
I just don't get the point of this. I go to a website and there's a little note *You can use your openid here!* and I sign in with it. but wait! it was a trick, they grabbed my username and password, now they have my openid login.
Unless I've missed the point somehow and there's some way to know if the site you're on is accredited.
This question is one that appears to not yet have been raised in the OpenID security discussion [openid.net]. In these times of phishing [marcoslot.net] attacks [danga.com] on OpenID [itweek.co.uk] this should bear heavy on the mind.
For more information, this article [wikipedia.org] is a good jumping off point.
OpenID also allows more easily data mining what someone says and does on different web sites, which is a dream come true, for all data miners.
So once most people start to use OpenID, then all governments have to do, is pass a law, to either requiring them to know your OpenID, or for them get your OpenID by any other means, and then that's all they need, to workout everything you have ever said online. OpenID is one step away from removing most anonymity on the Internet. This news fits in with the other Slashdot news today, about the Internet Human Rights PR smoke screen... http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1011555&cid=25554573 [slashdot.org]
Plus as people in power always seek power, then what they fear most, is the loss of power. So to them, finding out what people are saying is very important. (I.e. Knowledge is power). So one of the first things the some of the ones in power will do, is use widespead usage of OpenID to allow them to finding out every political view people post about them online.
To big businesses and governments, OpenID isn't about convience of easy logins. OpenID to them, is about data mining and so it makes sense Microsoft would want to play along with that goal.
You can have more than one OpenID. Sites can still allow anonymous posting.
Besides that, there's an even bigger id that most people are tied to and don't even think about -- their IP address. How much data flows through your ISP? Talk about single points of failure. People also tend to have one email address and don't use encryption.
If you are concerned about government-thwarting privacy then you have to take active measures to gain it. OpenID is no more of a problem than any of the other things I have
Its clear from your comment, you have no real knowledge of power seeking. So while your getting your +1 & -1 mod points, you should also ask for a +1 & -1 Boiled Frog mod. Because some people can see how power games are played, and some like you, have not been burned enough yet, so fail to see how the power games are played. Try reading some history, then you will see how throughout history, knowledge is used to gain and maintain power. While your at it, you sho
by Anonymous Coward
on Wednesday October 29 2008, @10:12AM (#25555439)
There's no accredation. Login occurs by redirecting you back to your provider. You log in, or the provider establishes you're already logged in by means of cookies. Then your provider redirects you back, saying "yep, he's the holder of that openID".
At no point does the accepting site get your user name and password. You can verify this by looking at your address bar. If you're still at the accepting site and they ask you for your user name and password, they're either doing it wrong or you're being phished.
"At no point does the accepting site get your user name and password. You can verify this by looking at your address bar."
I bet I could get thousands of user name/password combos be putting up a web page that simply asked users to enter their user name and password. They call this "phishing". It would work.
Using any kind of login that is shared over multiple places is always not-secure. Best practice is to compartmentalize potential damage. So that if some one figures out my password for (say) this website they can't then get into my bacnk account and email. If common logins do become popular then "phishing" will become very popular.
Depends on what you use the logins for. I use common logins, or at least passwords, across several sites, particularly ones I don't care too much about, and different ones for sensitive sites like banks, etc.
So, yes, the number of logins you have should be more than one, but does not have to be as large as the number of sites you visit.
But, to explain how OpenID, LiveID, and all such systems work without the site requesting the authentication requiring the authenticating credentials, it's like this:
1) You authenticate with the authentication site. You get back a magic number, or some similar credential.
2) You present this credential to the site that requests your authentication.
3) It contacts the authentcation site with it, (perhaps authenticating itself too using means like a client cert), provides the credentials you supplied, and gets back all sorts of nifty metadata about you.
Your credentials expire after some amount of time.
LiveID works like this for all Microsoft and Microsoft-partnered sites. And the same for OpenID.
The issue with having Microsoft accepting OpenIDs (besides the obvious econo-political one) is likely the nature of the metadata being different between what OpenID provides and what LiveID provides (unless OpenID supports the notion of arbitrary metadata per site requesting authentication, and so could support the LiveID metadata format).
Probably in the long term, assuming OpenID becomes popular, it might come down to browser makers to specifically recognise OpenID, and do things like let the user specify who their OpenID provider is so that it can make it really obvious when the user's logging into the correct place. eg. If the browser doesn't start flashing its borders bright pink when the user visits their claimid.com login page, the user might suspect that they're giving their credentials to the wrong website.
Um, duh - the way to know if you're being phished is checking the URL and the site you're on.
With OpenID, you will never have to enter your password on any site but that of the OpenID provider. If the site you want to access asks you for your OpenID password, you're being scammed.
Unless I've missed the point somehow and there's some way to know if the site you're on is accredited.
You have indeed missed the point, and even more than you think. You don't enter your OpenID password on the site you're authenticating to, at all. Ever. You just enter your OpenID username, and it redirects you to your actual OpenID provider, and there you enter your password (or, even better, use the SSL certificate installed in your browser, or your Kerberos credentials, or similar) to authenticate to it. It then redirects you back to the actual site with a cryptographic cookie that verifies your identity.
If you're worried about phishing, that's a very different issue. Certainly a real one, though, but not anything you wouldn't be subjected to anyway. And, if you authenticate with something like an SSL certificate, it won't be a problem anyway.
I have a simple solution for you... banking sites aren't likely to *ever* accept openid as a login method. However, for entering comments on a blog you've never been to before, and may never see again, or various other sites, it's a godsend. Not having to create a login, wait for an email, so you can validate your address, then go into the site again, just to put a comment of "thanks" on a blog entry that helped you to do something you were looking for is a nice thing.
Thats not how openID works. When you goto login using your openID you just putin your ID and then it redirects you to your openID provider to have you login/provide authorization etc.
"This move" is a fundamental problem with OpenID, not Microsoft specific. Everyone wants to be a provider; no one wants to be a consumer. (Or in slashdot terms, everyone wants to top, no one wants to bottom).
"This move" is a fundamental problem with OpenID, not Microsoft specific. Everyone wants to be a provider; no one wants to be a consumer.
Everyone? Speak for yourself. All Web-based applications that I write now accept Yadis (specifically OpenID) as an alternative/complement to traditional username/password authentication where authentication is a requirement.
Its a LiveJournal service that he wants to let his MSN using friends (the ones with the shiny new OpenIDs) use. I believe it will work, unless you are saying LiveJournal has this half-functionality also.
Livejournal was, IIRC, the first site to allow client side logging in using OpenID.
Created by the same person (now working for Google), specifically because he hated the idea of non-authenticated blog comments but also hated logging in all over the place.
A guy witha lot of great ideas. Shame he can't market a product for shit.
by Anonymous Coward
on Wednesday October 29 2008, @09:42AM (#25554823)
A lot of OpenID participants are provider only. Microsoft isn't helping the problem, but they aren't worse than a lot of other companies in this regard.
Microsoft should be implementing a way to associate your Live ID with your OpenID and use your OpenID to login to Live. But they aren't & I doubt they ever will.
I bet you doubted MS would ever become a provider of Open IDs too didn't ya? This news is progress. Don't be so negative about it.
OpenID's mission is to have one single login for every single website out there. So far, it was doing great. Now, I want to check my hotmail with my (pre-existing) OpenID. No luck. Unless you start at Windows Live and move to the rest of the OpenID sites, you are no closer to achieving OpenID's goal and vision. This is a ridiculous mangling of a great idea.
The idea is bad in the first place. The fact that numerous large.coms are OpenID *providers* but don't accept OpenIDs from other providers is only a sym
My understanding is that one should set up OpenID delegation [openid.net], which allows you to have a static OpenID but still use third-party providers for the authentication portion. Anyone with a web presence can do this, and it's actually preferred to hosting your own OpenID server since it shows that someone else also vouches that you are who you say you are. Here is some further reading [intertwingly.net].
That's getting to a solution, but it's still far too difficult for the average person to do. And, if I'm understanding correctly, it actually makes your data held by THREE servers now:
1) The server you're trying to log into 2) The server hosting your "delegation" page 3) The server providing the OpenID
Someone correct me if I'm understanding this wrong.
Microsoft doesn't host any of my porn sites and I don't use hotmail. I'm just saying. Now if by entering the game they somehow prevent me from using openID at any of these sites... we'll have a problem.
Note to the oblivious: OpenID doesn't eliminate anonymity. Far from it.
Wikipedia:
Since OpenID is decentralized, any website can use OpenID as a way for users to sign in; OpenID does not require a centralized authority to confirm a user's digital identity.
In what ways does the OpenID system promote user anonymity?
It promotes anonymity by allowing services to operate that require associating the initiator of one action with the initiator of a prior action, without requiring the "meatspace" identity of either. That is, it provides a reasonable means for a subscription-based service to verify "the person accessing this resource is the one that established this account" without ever identifying who the person is that established the account.
Since many services rely on providing that kind of relation between the person establishing an account a person requesting a resource, it promotes anonymity to provide a means that allows those services to fill that need while users remain anonymous.
"So, how long before I can use my OpenID to post on Slashdot?"
So how long before governments require OpenID to eliminate internet anonymity?
Given that the government has been pumping the idea for a while that somehow terrorists are "recruiting" online [cbsnews.com] in places like Second Life [washingtonpost.com], not long at all.
From the first article:
It is certain that virtual reality is doing real damage with intelligence, recruiting, fund raising and the spread of Islamic extremism. This assault may start with bytes, not bullets, but American generals will tell you, its a hot war all the same on a battlefield called "jihad.com."
Given that the government has been pumping the idea for a while that somehow terrorists are "recruiting" online in places like Second Life , not long at all.
I for one, can't wait for the day that national monuments are knocked over by giant flying penises.
It might be okay for joe-shmoe consumer, but there are still common-sense issues standing in the way.
First and foremost is the dead-simple notion, "You mean I'm going to trust a single source for EVERY password for every site I go to? No thanks! I've had my identity stolen already."
If I was in charge of the Right Brigade, I would change the nexus from some server-in-the-sky to your PC storing/providing authentication. I know that's crazy-talk, being responsible for your own identity and everything. Just call me old-fashioned.
Yeah but I can't trust myself either. Who knows how many accounts I have. I don't. Ok so most follow the same general scheme but then you get the outliers who won't accept a normal scheme so you have to have a unique password for their site. There are several accounts I don't even bother to guess I just use the magic questions to log in. Wow you must either know my password or some semi-private information about me to get into say my mortgage accounts or my retirement accounts. I would welcome an enti
What exactly is it about OpenID that makes it something I would want to use? Everything I've seen about openid is chocked full of flaws that makes me wonder why any site admin would want to use it.
As far as I can tell, Microsoft is only going to be an OpenID Provider and not a Relaying Party. That is, you can use your MS ID elsewhere but you can't use your existing ID on MS Live.
This seems to be pretty typical of companies adopting OpenID. Lately, quite a few companies have trumpeted their OpenID support... yet in almost all cases, it has been as a Provider only. Yahoo is the notable exception of a large OpenID provider that is also a relaying party (consumer).
So this has resulted in a world where everybody wants to provide an ID but nobody wants to accept them. The goal is that I could create an ID on my own website (as an OpenID provider) and use that ID to log into Google and Yahoo and MS Live and the rest without having to create a separate user on all of them. The reality is that since nearly all of them are only providers, I would still have to create a ton of separate users.
People can complain that just because Live is providing OpenID identities, that they can't log in to say, Hotmail, with an OpenID.
How is this any different from AOL providing OpenID for their screennames?
As many here have already mentioned, OpenID is only useful when there are lots of web sites that are willing to be an OpenID Relying Party. Microsoft is not. They only want to be a provider -- which is no surprise. Microsoft doesn't want to be open and useful and let you log in with an ID from some other place -- they want to be your identity provider, because they want to be the ones in control of your online identity.
Nice to see that the "kinder, gentler" post-Gates Microsoft is just as ruthless and selfish as ever.
Ask yourself this question: if you have a single sign-on for the web, who would you want managing it for you? For us geeks out there, the answer is simple: run your own identity server. [openid.net] No one controls it but you. For non-geeks... please, anyone but Microsoft.
Ok, remind me never to submit news stories while dead tired. You tend to miss quite a few things (like making sure the bloody headline is completely wrong; what I meant to say was "Microsoft joins the OpenID *Fray*").
Nice getting pwned by Slashdot. I love you too guys!
I've been using SimpleID [sourceforge.net] for a personal OpenID provider, but it seems to have problems with a lot of popular OpenID consumers like Plaxo and even Sourceforge itself (or more properly, they have problems with it, like ".failed to check_authentication(): failed to verify response"). I'd like the idea of a multi-user provider so that my wife can use it to. Any suggestions?
Ah but can't you see, the reason they are abusing OpenID is because the freedom OpenID provides. Free communities can always be raided by greedy entities, and the only thing stopping them is public backslash, think prisoner game. You have to convince everybody to NOT accept OpenIDs from specific sites, an OpenID blacklist if you will, I'm all for it actually.
Color Me Confused (Score:5, Informative)
Microsoft Joins the OpenID Foundation
What a joke.
Windows Live ID just became yet another OpenID-provider.
True.
they have undoubtedly put even more weight behind the OpenID initiative.
False.
So, how long before I can use my OpenID to post on Slashdot?
Oh poor poor wertigon. You won't even be able to log into MS Live with it. I can go to wordpress, verisign, aol and all that jazz and login with my OpenID. I can go to sites listed as OpenID and login when I've never even been there before. Yet, when I go to the page that Microsoft lists for Live, I can't. Why is this? Because they're only providing IDs, not accepting other OpenIDs.
You will soon be able to use your Windows Live ID account to sign in to any OpenID Web site!
That's it. That's all you get. No future plans are listed to accept OpenID accounts either.
OpenID's mission is to have one single login for every single website out there. So far, it was doing great. Now, I want to check my hotmail with my (pre-existing) OpenID. No luck. Unless you start at Windows Live and move to the rest of the OpenID sites, you are no closer to achieving OpenID's goal and vision. This is a ridiculous mangling of a great idea.
When Microsoft fully supports it--when they both accept and provide IDs--that's when I'll agree with this headline. Microsoft should be implementing a way to associate your Live ID with your OpenID and use your OpenID to login to Live. But they aren't & I doubt they ever will.
Re:Color Me Confused (Score:4, Insightful)
This is still a useful development. I can now allow MSN Messenger using friends to read my friends-only livejournal posts without having to ask them to sign up for LiveJournal or OpenID (which most people outside of geekdom will not have heard of)
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Re:Color Me Confused (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly, and this half-functionality is why this move undermines OpenID and what it stands for.
You see, OpenID still works, but it works *better* if you use Microsoft's version. Soon enough you'll find that everyone's reaching for those MS ids just to remain compatible, and MS will get what they couldn't with their Passport scheme, or LiveId or however it's called these days.
It's the same embrace, extend, extinguish bullshit again, and in my opinion, the community should just reject these MS-provided ids until they learn to play ball.
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Re:Color Me Confused (Score:5, Insightful)
I just don't get the point of this. I go to a website and there's a little note *You can use your openid here!* and I sign in with it. but wait! it was a trick, they grabbed my username and password, now they have my openid login.
Unless I've missed the point somehow and there's some way to know if the site you're on is accredited.
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Re:Color Me Confused (Score:4, Informative)
This question is one that appears to not yet have been raised in the OpenID security discussion [openid.net]. In these times of phishing [marcoslot.net] attacks [danga.com] on OpenID [itweek.co.uk] this should bear heavy on the mind.
For more information, this article [wikipedia.org] is a good jumping off point.
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Re:Color Me Confused (Score:5, Insightful)
So once most people start to use OpenID, then all governments have to do, is pass a law, to either requiring them to know your OpenID, or for them get your OpenID by any other means, and then that's all they need, to workout everything you have ever said online. OpenID is one step away from removing most anonymity on the Internet. This news fits in with the other Slashdot news today, about the Internet Human Rights PR smoke screen...
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1011555&cid=25554573 [slashdot.org]
Plus as people in power always seek power, then what they fear most, is the loss of power. So to them, finding out what people are saying is very important. (I.e. Knowledge is power). So one of the first things the some of the ones in power will do, is use widespead usage of OpenID to allow them to finding out every political view people post about them online.
To big businesses and governments, OpenID isn't about convience of easy logins. OpenID to them, is about data mining and so it makes sense Microsoft would want to play along with that goal.
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You can have more than one OpenID. Sites can still allow anonymous posting.
Besides that, there's an even bigger id that most people are tied to and don't even think about -- their IP address. How much data flows through your ISP? Talk about single points of failure. People also tend to have one email address and don't use encryption.
If you are concerned about government-thwarting privacy then you have to take active measures to gain it. OpenID is no more of a problem than any of the other things I have
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Its clear from your comment, you have no real knowledge of power seeking. So while your getting your +1 & -1 mod points, you should also ask for a +1 & -1 Boiled Frog mod. Because some people can see how power games are played, and some like you, have not been burned enough yet, so fail to see how the power games are played. Try reading some history, then you will see how throughout history, knowledge is used to gain and maintain power. While your at it, you sho
Re:Color Me Confused (Score:5, Informative)
There's no accredation. Login occurs by redirecting you back to your provider. You log in, or the provider establishes you're already logged in by means of cookies. Then your provider redirects you back, saying "yep, he's the holder of that openID".
At no point does the accepting site get your user name and password. You can verify this by looking at your address bar. If you're still at the accepting site and they ask you for your user name and password, they're either doing it wrong or you're being phished.
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Re:Color Me Confused (Score:4, Insightful)
"At no point does the accepting site get your user name and password. You can verify this by looking at your address bar."
I bet I could get thousands of user name/password combos be putting up a web page that simply asked users to enter their user name and password. They call this "phishing". It would work.
Using any kind of login that is shared over multiple places is always not-secure. Best practice is to compartmentalize potential damage. So that if some one figures out my password for (say) this website they can't then get into my bacnk account and email. If common logins do become popular then "phishing" will become very popular.
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Re:Color Me Confused (Score:5, Informative)
So, yes, the number of logins you have should be more than one, but does not have to be as large as the number of sites you visit.
But, to explain how OpenID, LiveID, and all such systems work without the site requesting the authentication requiring the authenticating credentials, it's like this:
1) You authenticate with the authentication site. You get back a magic number, or some similar credential.
2) You present this credential to the site that requests your authentication.
3) It contacts the authentcation site with it, (perhaps authenticating itself too using means like a client cert), provides the credentials you supplied, and gets back all sorts of nifty metadata about you.
Your credentials expire after some amount of time.
LiveID works like this for all Microsoft and Microsoft-partnered sites. And the same for OpenID.
The issue with having Microsoft accepting OpenIDs (besides the obvious econo-political one) is likely the nature of the metadata being different between what OpenID provides and what LiveID provides (unless OpenID supports the notion of arbitrary metadata per site requesting authentication, and so could support the LiveID metadata format).
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OpenID and phishing (Score:4, Interesting)
This won't solve the problem but the OpenID Community Wiki has a page documenting different ways in which phishing might occur [openid.net], a well as a collection of recommendations.
Probably in the long term, assuming OpenID becomes popular, it might come down to browser makers to specifically recognise OpenID, and do things like let the user specify who their OpenID provider is so that it can make it really obvious when the user's logging into the correct place. eg. If the browser doesn't start flashing its borders bright pink when the user visits their claimid.com login page, the user might suspect that they're giving their credentials to the wrong website.
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Answering your own question :)
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The site is supposed to redirect your browser to your provider for you to perform the actual login.
Of course you do have to pay attention to what site you are giving your password to......................
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How did they grab your password? If openid is done right, they don't need it.
Re:Color Me Confused (Score:4, Informative)
Um, duh - the way to know if you're being phished is checking the URL and the site you're on.
With OpenID, you will never have to enter your password on any site but that of the OpenID provider. If the site you want to access asks you for your OpenID password, you're being scammed.
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Re:Color Me Confused (Score:5, Informative)
Unless I've missed the point somehow and there's some way to know if the site you're on is accredited.
You have indeed missed the point, and even more than you think. You don't enter your OpenID password on the site you're authenticating to, at all. Ever. You just enter your OpenID username, and it redirects you to your actual OpenID provider, and there you enter your password (or, even better, use the SSL certificate installed in your browser, or your Kerberos credentials, or similar) to authenticate to it. It then redirects you back to the actual site with a cryptographic cookie that verifies your identity.
If you're worried about phishing, that's a very different issue. Certainly a real one, though, but not anything you wouldn't be subjected to anyway. And, if you authenticate with something like an SSL certificate, it won't be a problem anyway.
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OpenID imho isn't an end-all be-al
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"This move" is a fundamental problem with OpenID, not Microsoft specific. Everyone wants to be a provider; no one wants to be a consumer. (Or in slashdot terms, everyone wants to top, no one wants to bottom).
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"This move" is a fundamental problem with OpenID, not Microsoft specific. Everyone wants to be a provider; no one wants to be a consumer.
Everyone? Speak for yourself. All Web-based applications that I write now accept Yadis (specifically OpenID) as an alternative/complement to traditional username/password authentication where authentication is a requirement.
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Created by the same person (now working for Google), specifically because he hated the idea of non-authenticated blog comments but also hated logging in all over the place.
A guy witha lot of great ideas. Shame he can't market a product for shit.
Re:Color Me Confused (Score:5, Informative)
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You put all the informative and insightful comments possible into one post you insensitive clod.
Re:Rome wasn't built in a day, buddy . . . (Score:2)
Microsoft should be implementing a way to associate your Live ID with your OpenID and use your OpenID to login to Live. But they aren't & I doubt they ever will.
I bet you doubted MS would ever become a provider of Open IDs too didn't ya? This news is progress. Don't be so negative about it.
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OpenID's mission is to have one single login for every single website out there. So far, it was doing great. Now, I want to check my hotmail with my (pre-existing) OpenID. No luck. Unless you start at Windows Live and move to the rest of the OpenID sites, you are no closer to achieving OpenID's goal and vision. This is a ridiculous mangling of a great idea.
The idea is bad in the first place. The fact that numerous large .coms are OpenID *providers* but don't accept OpenIDs from other providers is only a sym
Re:Color Me Confused (Score:5, Informative)
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That's getting to a solution, but it's still far too difficult for the average person to do. And, if I'm understanding correctly, it actually makes your data held by THREE servers now:
1) The server you're trying to log into
2) The server hosting your "delegation" page
3) The server providing the OpenID
Someone correct me if I'm understanding this wrong.
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Tinfoil Hat (Score:3, Insightful)
So how long before governments require OpenID to eliminate internet anonymity?
Re:Tinfoil Hat (Score:5, Interesting)
Wikipedia:
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It promotes anonymity by allowing services to operate that require associating the initiator of one action with the initiator of a prior action, without requiring the "meatspace" identity of either. That is, it provides a reasonable means for a subscription-based service to verify "the person accessing this resource is the one that established this account" without ever identifying who the person is that established the account.
Since many services rely on providing that kind of relation between the person establishing an account a person requesting a resource, it promotes anonymity to provide a means that allows those services to fill that need while users remain anonymous.
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It's for your security (Score:2, Interesting)
"So, how long before I can use my OpenID to post on Slashdot?"
So how long before governments require OpenID to eliminate internet anonymity?
Given that the government has been pumping the idea for a while that somehow terrorists are "recruiting" online [cbsnews.com] in places like Second Life [washingtonpost.com], not long at all.
From the first article:
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I for one, can't wait for the day that national monuments are knocked over by giant flying penises.
It's a trick. Get an axe (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah. You are welcome to write a patch. That doesn't mean Taco will even use it. Don't let his comment mislead you.
OpenID Concept still has issues. (Score:3, Interesting)
It might be okay for joe-shmoe consumer, but there are still common-sense issues standing in the way.
First and foremost is the dead-simple notion, "You mean I'm going to trust a single source for EVERY password for every site I go to? No thanks! I've had my identity stolen already."
If I was in charge of the Right Brigade, I would change the nexus from some server-in-the-sky to your PC storing/providing authentication. I know that's crazy-talk, being responsible for your own identity and everything. Just call me old-fashioned.
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Someone Want to Tell Me (Score:2, Flamebait)
What exactly is it about OpenID that makes it something I would want to use? Everything I've seen about openid is chocked full of flaws that makes me wonder why any site admin would want to use it.
Re:Someone Want to Tell Me (Score:4, Interesting)
This is something the user wants?
I certainly have no interest in having people be able to associate my account on suicidegirls to my facebook account to my msn messenger account...
(i don't really have a suicidegirls acc, i'm just using that as an example)
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Misleading summary. (Score:4, Insightful)
You don't have to join the OpenID foundation to become an OpenID provider. Funnily enough Microsoft did join; but in Feburary [microsoft.com].
But as I ranted [idunno.org] on my blog, becoming a provider is useless these days; allowing authentication using OpenID would be far more impressive.
Provider only? (Score:5, Informative)
As far as I can tell, Microsoft is only going to be an OpenID Provider and not a Relaying Party. That is, you can use your MS ID elsewhere but you can't use your existing ID on MS Live.
This seems to be pretty typical of companies adopting OpenID. Lately, quite a few companies have trumpeted their OpenID support... yet in almost all cases, it has been as a Provider only. Yahoo is the notable exception of a large OpenID provider that is also a relaying party (consumer).
So this has resulted in a world where everybody wants to provide an ID but nobody wants to accept them. The goal is that I could create an ID on my own website (as an OpenID provider) and use that ID to log into Google and Yahoo and MS Live and the rest without having to create a separate user on all of them. The reality is that since nearly all of them are only providers, I would still have to create a ton of separate users.
What about AOL? (Score:2)
How is this any different from AOL providing OpenID for their screennames?
Microsoft is not an OpenID Relying Party (Score:5, Informative)
Nice to see that the "kinder, gentler" post-Gates Microsoft is just as ruthless and selfish as ever.
Ask yourself this question: if you have a single sign-on for the web, who would you want managing it for you? For us geeks out there, the answer is simple: run your own identity server. [openid.net] No one controls it but you. For non-geeks
The cynical me (Score:3, Insightful)
The cynical me wonders when the Open Source community will abandon the OpenID standard now that Microsoft has committed to it.
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The community embraces OpenID with the same zeal they would embrace OpenTeleMarketing.
Whoooops... (Score:4, Funny)
Ok, remind me never to submit news stories while dead tired. You tend to miss quite a few things (like making sure the bloody headline is completely wrong; what I meant to say was "Microsoft joins the OpenID *Fray*").
Nice getting pwned by Slashdot. I love you too guys!
Tinfoil hat?? (Score:2, Interesting)
Good multi-user personal provider? (Score:3)
I've been using SimpleID [sourceforge.net] for a personal OpenID provider, but it seems to have problems with a lot of popular OpenID consumers like Plaxo and even Sourceforge itself (or more properly, they have problems with it, like ".failed to check_authentication(): failed to verify response"). I'd like the idea of a multi-user provider so that my wife can use it to. Any suggestions?
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Ah but can't you see, the reason they are abusing OpenID is because the freedom OpenID provides. Free communities can always be raided by greedy entities, and the only thing stopping them is public backslash, think prisoner game. You have to convince everybody to NOT accept OpenIDs from specific sites, an OpenID blacklist if you will, I'm all for it actually.