Spam King and Family Dead In Murder-Suicide 1081
Lt.Hawkins was one of many readers sending in word that the escaped spam king discussed yesterday was found dead in Colorado, after apparently killing his wife and 3-year-old daughter. A teenager was injured, and an infant was found alive in the car.
This quote says it all (Score:5, Informative)
A couple more details (Score:5, Informative)
I saw another article that linked to this one http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9985333 [denverpost.com] that had a couple of other details.
It sounds like they weren't just a big happy family...
Re:Sad... (Score:2, Informative)
Davidson was housed in a minimum security facility. Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps (FPCs), have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio, and are work and program-oriented. FPCs are generally located adjacent to larger institutions, where inmates help serve the labor needs of the larger institution
I doubt his life was that terrible during the time he spent there. But then again, I can't speak for his ass.
Re:Very typical psychopath (Score:2, Informative)
Re:What a weak, cowardly little man... (Score:3, Informative)
Damn, it wasn't even a shitload of debt. The article said he had 3.5 million in the bank and half a million in gold, etc.
Hell, pay me 3 million dollars to sit in White Collar prison for 21 months.
I've had several job queries from a local (Thornton Colorado) spam company. The first time I did a little research on the company and turned it down. Now, each time I get pinged by a headhunter, I reply that I don't work for spamming companies.
[John]
Re:This quote says it all (Score:5, Informative)
Have you ever been in the "farm system" (as you so daintily put it)? Let me tell you what life is like behind the bars at the "farm system":
Dorm living with fully grown men. These "dorms" are sometimes the size of a gymnasium. A gymnasium full of grown men. Fully grown, under enormous stress, living in close quarters. Honestly, you'd have much less stress living in a car.
2 minute showers, enforced.
Scheduled bathroom times. Gotta shit? Hold it until shit time, which is usually at the start of the day and the end.
Forced labor. They don't even bother matching you up with work from your skillset. Too fat? Go work in the yard. Too stupid to know how to kill someone with a knife? Kitchen work.
This "farm system" isn't about rehabilitation, it's about "serving your time" and getting the fuck out.
That's not rehabilitation, it's life structure enforcement. Rehab means breaking a person down into their individual pieces, examining all of those pieces, finding out what's wrong, and then learning to live life with the knowledge that you have a problem.
Re:Coward. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Woo! (Score:3, Informative)
We aren't celebrating that he killed his family, if anything we're celebrating he killed himself, but most of us probably just joke about it.
Re:Coward. (Score:1, Informative)
You sir, are a gay.
Re:I understand running away from prison... but (Score:3, Informative)
There are plenty of people out there, mainly the elderly, who really want to believe things. These people could have lost a good deal of money on spammed stocks and other things, possibly ruined themselves financially. Someone could have bought v!4gr4 and poisoned himself. This guy wasn't stupid. He had to have inured himself against the possibility that he was going to hurt someone just like the guys who sweet-talk little old ladies out of their life savings.
Re:I understand running away from prison... but (Score:1, Informative)
You know what the problem with this world is? Too many touchy feely sensitive types telling me what is ok and what is not ok to poke fun at.
I'll joke about what ever the fuck I want.
Re:yes yes YES!!!!! (Score:2, Informative)
Rehabilitation is good ... for people who WANT to be rehabilitated.
If you had a poor family background, child abuse ... yeah, you deserve rehab.
If were fed bad ideas growing up about morality ... yeah, you deserve rehab.
If you had a known, tested-for mental illness with a physical component ... yeah, you deserve rehab.
The spam king was NONE of that. He grew up just fine. He knew exactly what he was doing, and he just didn't give a damn. His final acts while alive demonstrate exactly the values he held: he was more important that others and was willing to shove them aside at every opportunity to further his own interests, and he would do whatever it took to manipulate others into doing his bidding.
What would rehabilitation do? Teach him that stealing is wrong? He knows that already. Teach him how he hurt others? He knows that. How to be a productive human being? He is. How to engage in mutually-beneficial economic transactions with others? He did it all the time. How to empathize? He's not interested, and he damn well had the chance to learn how to, every moment of his life.
I can understand your dislike of those who reject prisoner rehab, but you must make room for the possibility that some are well beyond that.
Re:I understand running away from prison... but (Score:5, Informative)
I can't believe a father would really kill his innocent little child.
This kind of murder-suicide is a relatively common experience (murder-suicides being highly uncommon events in the first place). Customarily, they are committed by Caucasian men. The shrinks and the profilers believe that this particular type of murder is an insidious relative of a "vanilla" suicide. The male figure feels shamed due to personal and professional failings and feels that he is unable to provide for his family. In a state of depression he determined to kill himself. However, the basis for the suicidal impulse is the fear of being unable to care for the family, a result guaranteed by the suicide. Therefore, the perpetrator, as "patriarch" decides to commit suicide for the entire family. That way, he can prevent them from dealing with the consequences of his failings and his suicide. These cases often appear in connection with financial failures.
--AC
Re:I understand running away from prison... but (Score:2, Informative)
Attention world: spammers are scum (Score:1, Informative)
Prosecutors said that from 2002 to 2005, Davidson's business, Power Promoters, and his subcontractors would spam people's inboxes with e-mails promoting items such as watches and perfume. From 2005 through part of 2006, he sent thousands of e-mails from his home in Bennett, sometimes with false information
The bodies of "Spam King" Edward "Eddie" Davidson, his wife, and 3-year-old daughter were found in an SUV parked in a farmhouse driveway in a rural part of Bennett, about 25 miles east of Denver. Authorities said Davidson was the apparent gunman.
Here's more reason to never do anything to financially support spammers.
They are scum.
They have no morals
They have no limits to their behavior.
Re:I understand running away from prison... but (Score:1, Informative)
they do it for a myriad of reasons. money, retirement, perks, etc... are very valid reasons. so is personal challenge and feeling elite and part of a special brotherhood. peer pressure may come into play, too. societal status also helps motivate people. helping other people is also a frequent why they do it, too.
if you don't think compensation isn't a primary issue for firemen then i suggest you sit down during contract negotiations between the city and the fireman's union.
even so, you don't counteract the GPs point. we are fundamentally selfish. if you don't think so, it is because your selfishness has blinded you and wants to selfishly feel like you aren't selfish. does that mean we can't do good? did ted bundy never do any good - EVEN GOOD TO WHICH HE RECEIVED NO RENUMERATION?
does that mean ted bundy wasn't *fundamentally* selfish?
i grew up around doctors and i can tell you they are often very self centered and selfish - just like all people. money and status is often very important to them.
Public interest lawsuits, seat belts, vaccines - yep, you have hit the nail on the head: everybody is exactly like you.
he didn't say *exactly*. he said people are fundamentally self centered and selfish. apparently, you don't pay much attention to the world that surrounds.
public interest lawsuits are often all about attorney's being unreasonable to drive up their fees. al gore spends $30k a month on gas and electricity and burns more CO2 in one private jet flight than the average person does ALL YEAR!
is al gore acting selfish spending $30k and flying in private polluters while lecturing everyone else to cut down on CO2 emissions?
do you think you could convince him he was being selfish? no? is that because he's so selfish? btw, some estimates have al gore making $100 million off of global warming issues - and that's a good thing given his $30k per month energy bills and private jets.
oh, and his energy bill is UP 10% year over year.
oh, the earth has cooled since 1998, but al gore won't tell you that freely... it doesn't bring in quite the same cash as global warming does.
most people miss the FUNDAMENTAL premise of the bible.
to put it simply, either you care for other people EQUAL to yourself or else society will be severely damaged over time. any society, any time.
while the concept of god isn't falsifiable, the specific god of the bible can be falsified - it would only take for people to live selfishly and live in constant peace and prosperity. do that and the god of the bible has been falsified.
it has never been done and never will be done so long as vanity and selfishness rule the day - even with some good done inbetween for whatever reason.
the GP and the god of the bible have 270 MILLION people who died in the 20th century as a result of selfish war to support his view people are fundamentally selfish.
once you get done counting to 270 million, all the while pondering each individual death, get back to us and explain how people aren't generally selfish in nature. also consider that lots of "good works" were done while those 270 million people were dying.
contrary to your belief system, the only true difference between you and the GP is that the GP has a better understanding of how people operate, including himself, and has the ability to honestly portray it and you either don't have that understanding or can't get beyond your self centeredness to articulate it.
Re:The right metaphor for the right time (Score:1, Informative)
Santa Claus? What's he going to do if he damns you? Bring you a lump of coal?
What, you haven't seen Die Soldaten?
Re:I understand running away from prison... but (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I understand running away from prison... but (Score:4, Informative)
Fixed that for you.
Re:I understand running away from prison... but (Score:3, Informative)
I highly doubt "Bubba" would be serving time in a minimum security prison. They don't call it federal "pound you in the ass" prison for nothing!!