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Child-Suitable Alternatives To Passwords? 895

An anonymous reader writes "Two months ago I donated my old PC to my little sister, who is 7 — I had promised she would get her own computer as soon as she can read and write properly. I then proceeded to answer her questions about how it works, as far as she inquired, and tried to let her make some choices when installing Debian (she can already use GNOME). As I explained password protection and encryption to her, I was pleasantly surprised when she insisted on protection measures being as strong as possible, so that no one else can screw with her computer. She knows that my younger brother has to endure strict parental control software that was installed on his machine without his consent. The significant problem is that she cannot permanently memorize abstract passwords, even if they are her own creation. I talked with a teacher who assured me that this is common at her age. My parents would probably be able to guess non-abstract passwords. What mechanism of identifying herself does the Slashdot crowd suggest?"
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Child-Suitable Alternatives To Passwords?

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:51PM (#22516118)
    Would a fingerprint reader be suitable?
  • Fingerprint? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ThinkingInBinary ( 899485 ) <<thinkinginbinary> <at> <gmail.com>> on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:51PM (#22516126) Homepage

    A fingerprint seems like a reasonable idea. If she's just trying to keep other family members off of it, rubber-hose cryptanalysis is unlikely to become a problem, and she's highly unlikely to forget her fingers anywhere.

  • Shape (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Ami Ganguli ( 921 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:51PM (#22516142) Homepage

    Have her make a pattern on the keyboard that she can remember. I've actually had a number of PIN codes that I didn't actually remember apart from the pattern they make on the numeric keypad.

  • None (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SoupGuru ( 723634 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:52PM (#22516168)
    Why on earth should a 7 year old be able maintain privacy on a computer that can serve as a portal to many nasty things?
  • at age 7 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tsiangkun ( 746511 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:52PM (#22516178) Homepage
    I would suggest the parents have the root password, and their child can ask them to reset her password when she forgets.

    Parents guessing the password of a seven year old is ridiculous, is this a serious question ?
  • by Harmonious Botch ( 921977 ) * on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:54PM (#22516224) Homepage Journal

    My parents would probably be able to guess non-abstract passwords.
    And exactly why is this a problem? If your parents are totally and completely incompetent, go to child protective services now, for you have more important issues than passwords.
    Otherwise, quit undermining your parents and let them raise your sister. You can contribute if you want by teaching her about computers, but do it in assistance to your parents, not in opposition.
  • by garett_spencley ( 193892 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:54PM (#22516234) Journal
    Seriously, she's 7?!

    I have two daughters around the same age. They share a computer that we gave them for xmas. They have their own accounts, with their own passwords and my wife and I maintain the Administrator account. I could not fathom them having an Internet-accessible computer without us having full control over it.

    Am I missing the point ? Because when I read:

    "My parents would probably be able to guess non-abstract passwords"

    it sounds to me like you're trying to keep a 7 year-old's parents off of a computer she uses when they have every right (and reason / responsibility in this day in age) to know what their young child is doing on a computer.

    Of course I am all for teaching kids how to be security conscious and protect their private data. But it's a fine balance. Parents need to keep themselves in the loop in order to, you know, be effective parents.
  • Use a book (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:55PM (#22516260)

    Have her take a favorite book, start at a random page (or first page if she only needs to keep family members off.) Read the first letter of each page for 10 pages.

    On a different topic, you said one thing that shocked me:

    She knows that my younger brother has to endure strict parental control software that was installed on his machine without his consent.

    She's 7. I don't know how old your younger brother is, but at some age, it is a reasonable thing for a parent to do. It cannot suppliment for parenting, but it can be handy to insist on a website whitelist, or 2-hour cutoff.

    Seven-year-olds shouldn't have the full rights of adults.

  • by Imagix ( 695350 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:55PM (#22516264)
    I noticed the same thing. Also the quote how the brother had to "endure" parental control software. We're talking about a 7-year old. There should be parental supervision, education, and monitoring.
  • by fredrated ( 639554 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:55PM (#22516266) Journal
    With phrases like "She knows that my younger brother has to endure strict parental control software that was installed on his machine without his consent" and "My parents would probably be able to guess non-abstract passwords" you are clearly trying to undermine your parents. I know that children, though you don't give your age, usually think that they know better than their parents, but guess what: it isn't usually true! I hope that your parents are smart enough to take your sisters computer away if you succeed in locking them out.
  • Naturally as humans, we are very capable of memorizing lyrics, poems, quotes & the like from our favorite media. I've suggested this before and I'll suggest it again. Pick something that your little sister loves, like pokemon, Harry Pothead, Celine Dion or whatever the devil kids are watching/reading/listening to these days. And simply have her pick the most memorable quote or verse from that thing. Then you simply strip down to the first letters of each word (punctuation and capitalization included) and you have something that is easily memorized but fairly random.

    For instance, in high school I listened to Tomorrow Never Knows off of the Revolver record by The Beatles nonstop. Since I know every lyric [lyriki.com] of that song, I might pick the opening line:

    Turn off your mind, relax and flow downstream
    Which would render the password:

    Toym,rafd
    Not a bad password, in my opinion. You could do the same with the opening line of a book, quote from a movie, TV show or even a line from a poem. All of these things are very memorable and produce hard to break passwords.
  • by igb ( 28052 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:56PM (#22516294)
    So sibling 1 is providing a computer to sibling 3 that is secured against their common parents, because they don't like what the parents have done to sibling 2's computer? And sibling 3 is seven years old? My, I bet they have fun when they sit down for dinner together.

    The idea that it is reasonable to provide for a seven year old a computer to which no responsible adult has access is simply insane. If my nine year old floated that idea to me the MAC address would be barred on the home router in about two seconds, and all access offsite would be transparently proxied into squid as soon as I brought the appropriate instance on air. Anyone who permits a child that young to have unfettered access to the Internet should be sterilised, and anyone who aids and abets them should be treated equally harshly.

  • by eln ( 21727 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @12:57PM (#22516322)
    I agree. At that age, her dealings with computers (particularly computers with Internet access) should be closely monitored by her parents. She should set up a password and be instructed not to tell other people what it is in order to get her into the habit of good security practices, but her parents should nevertheless know the password (or some other way to access the computer).

    Of course, my son is 8 and he's only allowed to use the computer in the living room, and we can easily see what he's doing on it at all times. Kids are already going to obsess about keeping things from their parents when they're teenagers, there's no reason to start building that barrier when they're only 7.
  • Keyboard patterns (Score:3, Insightful)

    by kieran ( 20691 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:02PM (#22516418)
    Something like 3ed4rf5tg (try typing it) or sxdcfvgb should do the trick. Starting with the first letter of her name might help.
  • Re:passphrase (Score:3, Insightful)

    by RDW ( 41497 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:03PM (#22516436)
    How about:

    mybigbrotherissuchageek

    or

    nowicantalktocreepsonlinewithoutmyparentsknowing

    ?

    Why on earth does a kid of this age need a secure password?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:03PM (#22516440)
    it would work fine, as long as her parents have a root password. I say that having kids.
  • by moderatorrater ( 1095745 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:10PM (#22516566)
    This can be solved by giving the parents the root password and letting the girl keep a secret password. That makes it so that she gets the feeling of privacy and, for the most part, the reality of privacy while still allowing the parents to do and see whatever they want on the computer.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by KublaiKhan ( 522918 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:11PM (#22516568) Homepage Journal
    Yes, and I'm questioning two aspects of that:

    Why the parents need to be kept out, and why the AC thinks that any password will keep out parents who presumably have physical access to the system.

    If the parents are taking an interest in keeping young children safe, then by all means let 'em.
  • by syphaxplh ( 896757 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:11PM (#22516576)
    Thank you to all who have pointed out that perhaps locking the parents out is not a sensible goal. While I think it is good for a child this age to understand the concepts of security and privacy, I don't think that it is reasonable for a minor to expect her own little private computing world, free of parental control. There should be some semblance of openness and trust in a healthy household, particularly between parents and their children.
  • Hide it (Score:2, Insightful)

    by chrysrobyn ( 106763 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:12PM (#22516596)
    Seven year olds love secrets and hiding places. Write the secret password on a piece of paper and ask the user to hide it in a very safe location. As long as the parents have the Administrator or root password to perform parental system audits (possibly only after bedtime), system management and password resets, I see no problem with the parents not knowing what the password is. All this, of course, assumes the parents are able to supervise use according to their parenting style and the child's needs.
  • Re:at age 7 (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:18PM (#22516690)

    You have no right to privacy from your parents while you live under their roof, eat their food, and depend on their money. Privacy, if you have it, is a privilege. Get over it. Especially at age 7.

    I agree with the sentiment, but am appalled by the logic. Privacy is an inherit human right, not a privledge. However, we allow parents to exercise those rights on behalf of the child, because the child cannot be trusted to do so yet. It has nothing to do with the costs of food/shelter/clothing, and a 20-year-old unable to secure funds (e.g. all their money was going to tuition) would certainly have an expectation of privacy.

  • by youngerpants ( 255314 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:18PM (#22516694)
    A fingerprint reader wouldn't work. Fingerprint reader software (such as the wonderfully open source ThinkFinger) map out a fingerprint by locating easily identifiable marks, such as swirls or dead-ends, and map their proximity to other easily identifiable marks. As this girl is seven its fair to assume that in a few more years her fingers will be twice their current size.



    The fingerprint will be the same, but scaled up so all proximity will be lost.

  • Re:passphrase (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Culture20 ( 968837 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:18PM (#22516700)
    Memory... a seven year old's is quite fluid. "My favorite food is steak" might morph into "My favorite food is ice cream" or "I like steak" or "I like eating" or "I like my little pony". Passphrases might be easier than g%jP22094jmqqlDMSk, but they're still memory-based.
  • Re:passphrase (Score:3, Insightful)

    by CarpetShark ( 865376 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:21PM (#22516768)

    Why on earth does a kid of this age need a secure password?


    Every login account on an internet-connected computer needs a secure password.
  • by bugnuts ( 94678 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:22PM (#22516786) Journal

    There should be parental supervision, education, and monitoring.
    Why?
    Two reasons. First, parents are completely responsible for their child's safety. That includes things like giving out her name, address, even state to strangers. Perhaps it's a surprise that children... even kids twice her age, do not tend to use good judgement.

    That judgement is learned, generally through the parents. And yes, you'll see lots of adults using their parents' poor judgement.

    The second reason is that it helps prevent parent ignorance. If the parents participate in her "computer experience" they will become experienced, too. The younger kid had to endure safe-surf software because the parents didn't want to surf with the kid.

    What gets me is that a 7-yo actually feels the need to hide things from her parents. This can be from watching her brother and deciding his frustration was bad, or it could be because she doesn't trust them so much.
  • Anonymous Child? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by PalmKiller ( 174161 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:25PM (#22516840) Homepage
    Quit posting crap articles like this...this is obviously about a 14 year old boy that thinks his sister needs security from his clueless parents.
  • by wvmarle ( 1070040 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:31PM (#22516970)

    you need privacy even as a child, it's not like a parent has direct access to a childs brain. There are secrets that you should be able to keep.
    A strong password is not necessary for this - and anyway, a password has no use to an attacker with physical access to a computer. Unless heavy encryption comes into play.
    But then still, a child may need privacy, but the parents need to have a way to access it. Whether they should do it or not, that is another discussion. You are talking about a seven-year-old here. They need parental supervision, and a certain degree of control. Clear limits within where to operate. Keeping things secret as a child from their parents is one thing; completely undermining parents' controls is another. And with that I am not talking about the software based "parental controls".
    Surely as the computer in question will be exposed to the internet, a decent password is required. But why all the effort of keeping everything inaccessible to the parents? That is going too far.
  • by pla ( 258480 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:32PM (#22516994) Journal
    If your parents are totally and completely incompetent

    "Unable to grasp how to admin a computer" doesn't necessarily mean "incompetent to raise a child".

    Most kids have a much better understanding of modern technology than their parents (and I suspect that has always held true). She may legitimately worry that, in their laughable attempts to snoop on her activity, they'll actually cause some damage. The very fact that the FP involves her brother giving her a computer rather than her parents would tend to support this view.



    quit undermining your parents and let them raise your sister.

    I can tell by your tone that you won't agree with this, but like it or not, kids have a right to privacy. You can either honor that and perhaps they'll come to you when they have a real problem, or you can have them do the same things behind your back and consider you the "enemy" and the last person to go to when in trouble.

    It always amazes me how selectively people forget their own childhood when they become parents - They seem to remember all the crap they pulled and want to lock the little bastards in their rooms until age 18, without remembering that when their own parents tried to do so, it provided the motivation to learn to pick locks.
  • by richardtallent ( 309050 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:33PM (#22516996) Homepage
    You need to stay the hell out of your parent's business.

    When you have a 7-year-old, feel free to lock yourself out of their PC.
  • by GNU(slash)Nickname ( 761984 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:35PM (#22517044)

    Fingerprint reader software (such as the wonderfully open source ThinkFinger) map out a fingerprint by locating easily identifiable marks, such as swirls or dead-ends, and map their proximity to other easily identifiable marks. As this girl is seven its fair to assume that in a few more years her fingers will be twice their current size.


    The fingerprint will be the same, but scaled up so all proximity will be lost.

    All that may be true, but it doesn't prevent them from simply re-enrolling her fingerprints every year or so as she grows.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Atlantis-Rising ( 857278 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:37PM (#22517086) Homepage
    Is it not, after all, a fundamental not only on Slashdot but of security in general that any security can be broken if you have physical access to the boxen?

    In any case, I think as a primary corollary to your first question, one really needs to ask whether this is a decision that the submitter should be making with his sister. It seems to me, that with all of the talk on Slashdot about 'we must blame the parents who do not take care of their children', this is a decision the parents need to make with their daughter (or that she needs to make alone and can then argue with them afterwards about).

    It seems like a ripe situation for family conflict when the (brother, presumably) interposes himself as he is doing here.

  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cHiphead ( 17854 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:38PM (#22517098)
    You nailed it.

    As a parent, there's no way in a hell a 7 year old will have a lock down to keep mom and dad out, no responsible parent will allow such a thing, and the machine gets taken away if such a practice is put into place.

    When your 18, go right ahead and make the 53 ch4R@ct3R password to lock your machine up, until then, accept the fact that you are the child and we are the parent, and you don't get root access or personal and private encryption, you ask the IT department (dad).

    Cheers.
  • by Dhrakar ( 32366 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:43PM (#22517194)
    As the parent of 2 children, I need to disagree with you on one big point: No. Kids do not have a right to privacy. Period. It is my responsibility as their parent to guide them and protect them and a big part of this is knowing what they are up to. I allow my daughter (12) to access the internet, but not to do IM or join 'social' sites. I also maintain the admin account on her computer (OS X). For my son (8) I allow him access to our LAN (for printing and multiplayer WCIII with his sister and I) but do not allow him access to the internet from his own system. To get to the internet he has to use my computer (in his own account).
        Rather than trying to find ways around parental involvement, I think that the original poster needs to work _with_ his parents. Help them to set up the Linux computer for his sister and let them know how it is not susceptible to the same issues as a Windows box. Also, show them how to safely check up on the things that they are probably concerned about (eg; browser history, email addresses, etc.). This way _all_ of you can come out ahead and there is much more trust in the family.
  • by OneMHz ( 1097105 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:46PM (#22517240)
    I think a secure password is good, but do you really want to shield your little sister from your parents' protection? If she can't remember a good password, do you really think she's cognitively developed enough to discern between someone who wants to be friends and someone who's gonna end up on "To Catch a Predator"? Your ideals of personal freedom don't quite apply the same to someone that young. I would want to know what my child was exposed to. That either means a) only supervised use of the computer, b) some software that prevents things I decide are objectionable from being accessed. Personally, I'm not a fan of using computers/TV as baby sitters, so I'd go with option a. However, if computer use is supervised, what's the point of protecting it from the parents?
  • "This is MINE" (Score:2, Insightful)

    by FrameRotBlues ( 1082971 ) <framerotblues@@@gmail...com> on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:49PM (#22517290) Homepage Journal
    Who ever hinted that it was a portal to many nasty things? Maybe all that's on it is her favorite Carmen Sandiego games, and she wants a password so her 9-year-old brother can't play her games, or install his games on her computer? It might not even have an ethernet cable attached to it.

    Ownership can be complicated when it comes to siblings, and sibling rivalry. I can totally understand her wanting to have her "space", in a sense, that only she can get to. Didn't you ever have a fort, and only let in friends who knew the secret password, or a lock with a secret combination? It implies ownership and control, and that's an age where you start to understand it and work with it.
  • by Peter Cooper ( 660482 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:50PM (#22517296) Homepage Journal
    There is a giant leap between "kids have a right to privacy" and "kids need to be monitored 24/7." Kids have a right not to be under constant interrogation and inspection by their parents, but not a right to privacy when the parent thinks it's necessary to inspect what the child has been doing. That's just parenting common sense.
  • by cptdondo ( 59460 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:52PM (#22517324) Journal
    So.... You force your child to give up something they want to keep private. If they don't comply, you take away something they like.

    And what exactly are you teaching your child? Might makes right? Parents don't respect their own kids? Kids' opinions and feelings don't matter? Powerful people have the right to control less powerful people?

    Great lessons, those.

    It's much harder to foster respect and open communications. It's called being a parent, not a bully and control freak.
  • by Lijemo ( 740145 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:52PM (#22517330)

    What gets me is that a 7-yo actually feels the need to hide things from her parents. This can be from watching her brother and deciding his frustration was bad, or it could be because she doesn't trust them so much.

    Or it can just be for the same reason that kids like having a "secret hideout" or "secret clubs" or whatever. Like everyone else, they like space --whether physical or conceptual-- that is their own.

    Children, even that young, DO need a certain amount of privacy. But that's too young to be having privacy from parents in connection with her interactions with the outside world, and her interactions with the random & anonymous people that she'll meet there.

    And being in her own room gives a very dangerous illusion of complete safety-- she would probably want parents present when wandering through a large, bustling crowd of unfamiliar grown-ups, but she's far less likely to recognize any danger when she's alone in her house with her parents in the next room.

    If this computer is not connected to the internet, then sure, let her have a password that keeps her parents out of the computer. It's like having a room with a door that closes, or a diary that no one else is allowed to read.

    But if it's attached to the Internet? That's another story. Her parents NEED to be involved.

  • Nuts. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Blimey85 ( 609949 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:54PM (#22517364)
    A seven year old with an actually secure computer that not even her parents can gain access to. That's just nuts. And why wait until she can read and write to give her a computer? I can half understand the reading part but writing? She could have been learning to type while learning to write and there is a ton of software for young folks that don't require either skill. Edutainment that uses pictures and colors rather than words. But why lock out the parents? That's pretty troubling.
  • I have a secret :) (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:54PM (#22517366) Homepage Journal

    Why the parents need to be kept out
    Because all little girls want a diary with a lock and key.
  • by KublaiKhan ( 522918 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:55PM (#22517414) Homepage Journal
    Diaries aren't connected to the internet.
  • by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @01:58PM (#22517466) Homepage Journal

    When your 18, go right ahead and make the 53 ch4R@ct3R password to lock your machine up, until then, accept the fact that you are the child and we are the parent, and you don't get root access or personal and private encryption
    And after they're 18, you don't get regular phone calls or visits, nor talks about their lives. You'll have denied them privacy for as long as it was legally possible for you to force that upon them, and the pendulum will swing back in full force, reacting to your actions with equal force in the opposite direction.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:4, Insightful)

    by KublaiKhan ( 522918 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:00PM (#22517512) Homepage Journal
    The parents are, however, legally responsible for the child's actions. As such, it is entirely reasonable for them to have unfettered access to the child's person and effects.

    Children don't -get- privacy from their parents, unless the parents should choose to give it to them. A family is not a democracy--it is a dictatorship.
  • by dpninerSLASH ( 969464 ) * on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:07PM (#22517600) Homepage
    This can be solved by giving the parents the root password and letting the girl keep a secret password. That makes it so that she gets the feeling of privacy and, for the most part, the reality of privacy while still allowing the parents to do and see whatever they want on the computer.

    That's a slippery slope. A seven-year-old child should be entitled to the kind of privacy necessary to protect their dignity (in other words, the same privacy to which any human is entitled) and keep them safe. Sending the message that it's acceptable to do things on a computer that the parents won't know about (whether or not that is true) is extending far too much discretion to someone who lacks the maturity to make wise decisions.

    A computer is a (potential) gateway into the worlds of people who would knowingly do harm to a child for their own gratification, and children often times lack the experience to know when they are being manipulated into compromising positions.
  • by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:07PM (#22517606)

    And after they're 18, you don't get regular phone calls or visits, nor talks about their lives. You'll have denied them privacy for as long as it was legally possible for you to force that upon them, and the pendulum will swing back in full force, reacting to your actions with equal force in the opposite direction.

    Bullshit.

    If you're open about it, then the idea that there is automatic resentment is just bullshit. Seven-year-olds shouldn't get unresticted and expecially not unmonitored access to the internet. Should the kid be able to keep a private journal, sure. Electronically? Maybe, I don't know about that. Should the parents know who the kid is e-mailing, hell yes. Should the parent read e-mails to the friends, once they have been identified? Well, that's where you get into trust issues. When the kid is seven, yes. When the kid is sixteen, probably not.

  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tony Hoyle ( 11698 ) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:10PM (#22517670) Homepage
    hell, no wonder so many kids get screwed up and run away at 16.

    A family is most definately *not* a dictatorship. It's a family, which has its own dynamic. Respecting the rights of the child (one of those rights is the right to privacy btw.) is fundamental to a healthy functioning family. In turn they should respect your wish to know what they're doing - but not every detail (and you will never find that out anyway).
  • by thanatos_x ( 1086171 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:11PM (#22517692)
    The reader posting this seems to be a bit naive on passwords, and 7 year olds.

    In kindergarten I had to memorize my phone number and address. A phone number is a fairly random 7 digit code. A zip code is 5 more random digits. There is no reason to assume she couldn't memorize a 7 character string; even 5 digits worth of numbers is far more than sufficient to stop any manual attempts to guess the password.

    Furthermore, even if she uses a common thing plus 1 number the search space is sufficiently large that it is quite unlikely that the parents would guess it. Beyond this she could write it down on a slip of paper and hide it in a book. Not the most secure, but it'll still take a fair bit of effort to get it.

    This excuses several things, such as..

    1. The child shouldn't have such access to a computer. It's just not a smart idea.
    2. The parents are parents. The child is a child. Passwords have little effect when they say "you can't use the computer until we have the password" or "no sweets unless we get the password." Seriously, in terms of challenges it's trivial on both sides - the parents either can't crack the password regardless of complexity, or they can crack any password because they have physical access to the machine and the knowhow. The child can't withhold the password if the parents get serious about it, or she can, but she loses the benefit of the computer entirely.
  • by SQLGuru ( 980662 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:24PM (#22517914) Homepage Journal
    And as a little kid with an "owwie" on her finger covered up by a Strawberry Shortcake bandage, she's now unable to access her computer. Congrats.

    Layne
  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tony Hoyle ( 11698 ) <tmh@nodomain.org> on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:25PM (#22517930) Homepage
    Responsibility of the parent doesn't make it a dictatorship, legally or otherwise.

    I'm shocked that anyone would even think that. A child with no freedom and no room to grow would turn out to be a basket case. I'd wager social services would get involved at some point.
  • by Altari ( 1230296 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:26PM (#22517954)
    Agreed. If you've raised your children correctly, they won't be doing anything that you *need* to look at. If you're doing a bad job, then well...all the cracking and snooping in the world isn't going to save your child. I had my own computer from the age of 8, and never had any problems with browsing the interwebz. Early on, my father would sit with me while I was on it, just to be sure I got the hang of it and to point out "problem" websites on the early webz. Once I knew what to stay away from and why, I was left to my own devices. My parents never snooped or prodded into what I was doing, because they knew if I ran across something potentially creepy, I'd either close it right away or ask them what it was.
  • by SirWhoopass ( 108232 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:27PM (#22517980)

    Sure, maybe.

    And then at 27 they'll be calling you back up, realizing what an emotional idiot they were at 18. They'll be grateful for having responsible parents who took a concerned interest in them, and kept them out of serious trouble. And then they'll do the same thing for their own children.

    I'm guessing you're a teenager, upset about all the restrictions on your life. We were all there. We thought the same thing. And, after having 10 or 20 years to look back on it, we realize it was a good thing.
  • by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:28PM (#22518006) Homepage Journal

    And after they're 18, you don't get regular phone calls or visits, nor talks about their lives. You'll have denied them privacy for as long as it was legally possible for you to force that upon them, and the pendulum will swing back in full force, reacting to your actions with equal force in the opposite direction.

    Bullshit.

    If you're open about it, then the idea that there is automatic resentment is just bullshit.

    If you're open towards them they will react to your actions with equal force in the opposite direction by being just as open towards you.
    If you make yourself the dictator of the house, however...
  • by Digital_Quartz ( 75366 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:30PM (#22518042) Homepage
    I can just envision the police phone call:

    "Ma'am, do you have any idea who might have kidnapped your daughter? Has she been talking to anyone new lately? Has she had any new friends come by the house?"

    "*sob* I don't know! She uses blowfish!"

    You're legally responsible for your children until they reach the age of majority, and the only way you can possibly do that is to have some clue what your children are doing.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:4, Insightful)

    by thynk ( 653762 ) <slashdot AT thynk DOT us> on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:32PM (#22518066) Homepage Journal
    I totally agree with you here. I have 3 children who use the computer(s) in my house, and I made it VERY clear that they have no reasonable right to expect privacy. I will read their email, read their IMs and view their screen with vnc whenever I feel the need to. I own the computer, I own the networking equipment and pay for the connection(s) to the internet. Just with their cells phones, I own them and can check txt messages, pictures, etc any time I wish. Anytime they feel that their privacy is being violated, I tell them they are free to hand back over the phones and are free to discontinue use of the computers. I have passwords to all their email accounts, both the ones I host on my domain and their yahoo and MSN accounts.

    Now, don't get me wrong, i don't monitor every email all the time, nor do I sniff their network traffic all the time. I DO trust them online, they have earned my trust (to get a myspace account, my daughter had to write a 2 page paper on internet stalkers and how to avoid them). However, if I see a change in behavior they don't care to discuss with me, I have EVERY right and the responsibility to find out what's wrong in any way that I need to.

  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fishbowl ( 7759 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:34PM (#22518112)

    "As a parent, there's no way in a hell a 7 year old will have a lock down to keep mom and dad out, no responsible parent will allow such a thing, and the machine gets taken away if such a practice is put into place."

    I did not understand that point of view at 7, and I do not agree with it a 40-something.

    It seems to go without saying that children are not entitled to privacy from their parents. I say it is up to the individual parent. Many parents DO respect their children enough to give them privacy. Some consider doing otherwise to be a form of abuse.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Urza9814 ( 883915 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:37PM (#22518156)
    So I guess you're saying I, as a 16 year old, have no right to my 47 character password... (yes, I do actually have a 47 character random password for rare use.)

    I do agree that 7 years old is a bit young for that, but in my case, it's my computer, I paid for it, I can do what I want with it...as is the case here. It's her computer, let her do what she wants. How is she gonna learn anything if the whole system is locked down? I would not be a future computer science major if my parents controlled everything I did on the computer. The main reason I know as much as I do about computers (enough to let me take and easily pass 300 level college courses while still in high school) is from trying to get away from that kind of control. ...ok, maybe you're right. Let the parents install security software, and teach her how to get around it.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:2, Insightful)

    by KublaiKhan ( 522918 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:38PM (#22518190) Homepage Journal
    I'd think that locking them out would be a decent indication for when they're ready to be less supervised--once they can crack the lockout, then it'd be time to sit down and talk about taking it off--and the responsibilities they would have to be aware of. Make 'em sign an AUP at that point, and then you can just keep hold of the root password for when you need to fix something.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by nahdude812 ( 88157 ) * on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:39PM (#22518212) Homepage
    If the computer isn't connected to the net (and they aren't able to load inappropriate stuff their friend gave them on a thumb drive), then I don't need access to it. Likewise with a journal. No one ever got kidnapped, raped, and murdered by someone they met by writing in a private journal, and material which the child isn't emotionally and developmentally ready for never spontaneously appeared in it.

    Plug it in to the net, or notice little Bobby or Susy loading up stuff on it that you don't recognize from friends, then you bet it's time to want to know what's going on. Kids aren't adults, they don't get the same level of privacy from their parents that adults do, nor should they.

    Parents need involvement in their kids lives, it's the way that they shape and mold their kids into functional balanced adults, as well as protect them from dangers the kid doesn't realize exist or doesn't believe in. It's the mark of a good parent, and it's something that's lacking in too many parents.
  • by ZeroConcept ( 196261 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:46PM (#22518328)
    Perhaps he was talking about your emotional age?
  • by sumdumass ( 711423 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:53PM (#22518438) Journal
    The problem is that you are the dictator of the house. You are the one who has to pay for their screw ups, you are the one that has to pay for their child delivery or whatever if they get pregnant. You are the one who responsible for their well being. If they were completely capable of this themselves, then the age of consent would be 7 years old and parent would be giving the boot to the kids at or about that age.

    The bottom line is, a person in a position of authority doesn't need to ask permission from who they have authority over in order to exorcise that authority. If the child is well behaved and trusted, this dictatorship is going to seem less severe. If they aren't then it will seem harsh. But the parent is the de facto dictator. Trying to reason with someone who's mental development has been shown not to be fully developed in the reasoning department until they are 19 or 20 in some cases isn't the way to go.

    Sure it might suck for the kid, but so will their job when the employer monitors their email, or worse yet, the probations officer when they decide to ignore the rules and get arrested for something. IF they hate you as a parent, so what. They will hate life anyways because they have an overly broad idealized generalization about their expectations.
  • by q-the-impaler ( 708563 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @02:58PM (#22518548)
    Interesting that you titled your post 'Cat's in the Cradle'. The Harry Chapin song that I assume you are referring to is about a boy who resents his father for not being active in his son's childhood. I assume you were focused on the part where the son grows up and, in turn, does not make time for his own father. You missed the big picture.

    Just thought I'd point out that your oversight in your title extends to your oversight in the importance of good parenting. Children need to earn privacy so they can respect the responsibilities it comes with later in life. Obviously you give them more and more privacy to practice with the older they get, but a seven year old cannot possibly be ready for that kind of responsibility yet.

    In fact, the lack of structure you suggest will probably cause the exact thing you tried to avoid: a bratty kid who gets what he (she in this case) wants. I'm sure you are going to argue that you were referring to the extremeness of the GPs comment (i.e. no privacy at all until 18) but you know you'll be missing the point.
  • by Ethanol-fueled ( 1125189 ) * on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:03PM (#22518612) Homepage Journal
    I've only skimmed the first 50 posts(so please don't mod me redundant), but I haven't yet seen a single post that suggests --*GASP*-- not connecting the computer to the internet! Does anybody else remember being a kid?

    Sometimes our parents wouldn't let us watch certain shows, or they would limit our TV/Nintendo time. Some of us were able to visit friends with more liberal(or non-existent) parents so that we could sneak the occasional peek at a boob or perhaps a violent shoot-em-up(note that the issue is not only about sex, as there is also an awful lot of nightmare-inducing gore on the 'net).

    Kids will be kids, and if kids have friends, then they'll find ways to get what they want. Locking down every friend your kid has is not an option.
  • by cuantar ( 897695 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:04PM (#22518642) Homepage
    Easy solution: the computer doesn't get 'net access. There's no reason an unplugged box shouldn't be as private as the child wants it to be; computers are no more dangerous than a pen and paper. Problems only occur when children don't take proper precautions online. There's no reason, in 2008, that a child should not have unfettered access to his/her own system, including root.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:05PM (#22518650)
    That would be wrong too.

    If he was going by emotional age, he'd be a pre-teen. Hell, my three year old girl has more maturity than that idiot did.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Planesdragon ( 210349 ) <<su.enotsleetseltsac> <ta> <todhsals>> on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:13PM (#22518794) Homepage Journal
    Hah, I don't remember a single point in time I hadn't r00t on all boxes in my home, and I always had at least one computer at home since I was three.

    Either you're young enough that you're not a parent (i.e., that "computer when you were 3" was a Windows 95 machine) or you're old enough that the computer you had at home had no real user account control.

    TODAY, with the internet everywhere, control of a household computer is as important as control of a household medicine cabinet or control of the family car. You might trust a teenager with it, but if you're stupid enough to trust a seven year old with it you should have your children taken away.

  • Re:Pictures (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:14PM (#22518810)
    Responsibility of the parent doesn't make it a dictatorship, legally or otherwise.

    Of course it does. Did you bother to think this through?

    It does not make rational sense to hold someone legally accountable for something they cannot control. If the child breaks the law online, the parent is held legally accountable. Therefore, the parent must have control over what the child does online.

    This applies to other aspects of life as well.

    Furthermore...from any realistic perspective...freedom requires competence. Children are not "free" to drink alcohol because they are too emotionally and intellectually immature to make wise decisions about alcohol consumption. Their brains are not developed enough, and they do not have enough life experiences yet. They are simply too stupid to know how much is too much. So they don't get any. Once they have grown up a bit that isn't a problem any more, so they become free.

    A wise parent won't make the cut off at a specific age, but it is outright obvious that a 7 year old is too immature to roam about unmonitored in an Internet full of predators of every type. Perhaps a 16 year old is. Perhaps that will vary from child to child. In either case the parent is still legally responsible, so the parent is within his/her rights to give as much or as little privacy as he/she deems appropriate.

    Let me ask you this....whenever the government tries to pass laws to "protect the children" on the Internet, do you start insisting that keeping kids safe is the parents responsibility? I sure hope so, because it is. People who spout the sort of tripe you are spouting give the government the justification it needs to keep passing these laws...obviously....parents like you aren't doing their job.

    Get real.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:31PM (#22519078)
    I agree; that's a parental decision. I wouldn't let my daughter (especially back when she was anywhere near 7 years old) use a computer that I wouldn't have access to.

    I'm not saying I would use that access. I'm suggesting that 7 is too young to need it.

    Side note--I thought we all agreed 5 years ago that 'boxen' was stupid.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ultranova ( 717540 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @03:47PM (#22519284)

    I wish I could attribute sarcasm to your post, but it is obvious you're being serious. And it's obvious you know nothing about children or the raising thereof.

    I neither know or care anything about rising children. I will learn if I ever have any. I simply answered the question "why the parents need to be kept out"; since the summary gave me the impression that the it is the child who wants a "parent-proof" PC, I took this question to mean "why would a child want to keep its parents out".

    You are seeing moral judgements where there is none, merely an attempt to see the world through someone elses - the kids, in this case - eyes while attempting to solve an interesting problem: how to secure a computer against an attacker who has physical access to both it and the onwer. Since the rest of your post proceeds from this flawed assumption, commenting on it further would be pointless.

  • by encoderer ( 1060616 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @04:13PM (#22519650)
    Absolutely.

    An unplugged box is fine.

    Load up a few games. Show them how to use a Paint-like program and a word processor.

    Teach them the value of money by giving allowance that they can chose to spend on a new game (and which one to pick!) or something else they may like.

    Teach them the value of caring for things by waiting a bit to fix whatever they (potentially) break.

    With the amount of educational software, and the fact that innate computer skills are already a requirement in the workforce (let alone 15 years from now when this girl will begin her career), a computer can be a valuable tool for a child.
  • by jdavidb ( 449077 ) * on Friday February 22, 2008 @04:14PM (#22519652) Homepage Journal

    He comprehended you just fine. My question is, what color is the sky on your world?

  • by mikael_j ( 106439 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @04:17PM (#22519698)
    Boundries are the foundation that allows the now 16 year-old daughter to tell her boyfriend, "We can go in my room, but mom/dad will freak if I close the door."

    Because it would be oh so horrible and the baby jesus would cry if they kissed or god forbid, had sex? I'm sorry to tell you this but your arbitrary moral standards don't apply to everyone.

    Also, my parents rarely set boundaries for me as a kid, instead they told me why it was a bad idea to do whatever it was I wanted to do, after the age of 13 or so they would just tell me I could do whatever I wanted but if I did something they had taught me not to do then I was on my own, but maybe raising your children to take responsibility isn't very popular these days?

    /Mikael

  • by swordgeek ( 112599 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @04:17PM (#22519720) Journal
    Bollocks. Kids are FAR more likely to ignore their parents as adults if they weren't given any restrictions or limits. Lack of caring or outright abuse will alienate kids, NOT actual parenting.

    There is no reason a seven-year-old needs absolute privacy from her parents combined with internet access; to the contrary, it's a dangerous and potentially harmful scenario, and it is a parent's primary job to deal with such things. (And no, I'm not advocating a 'padded room' solution to childcare.)

    Let's be clear here: privacy for dependents is not absolute. (In fact, privacy is seldom an absolute for anyone, but that's another issue.) Privacy for a seven-year-old should NOT be the same as it is for a 16-year-old or a college student. If your seven-year-old says "I'm going out for a while.", do you ask them where? With who? What time they'll be home? Do you let them go? When they're 16, you can expect different degrees of answer from them, and correspondingly give them more freedom (=privacy). When they're 21, your questions are less of a protective nature, and more concern/interest.

    Explaining why they don't have absolute freedom and privacy is a big part of the challenge of being a parent. Kids can be raised (more or less) rationally, and if your reasoning is rational, they'll often go along (although not always, and not always without complaining). Unfortunately, making good decisions for good adult reasons doesn't always translate well to the age of the child. Explaining to a seven-year -old about online pedophiles, credit scams, phishing, and so forth is tough when she hasn't reached puberty or had a net worth more than ten bucks. You can simplify a fair bit, but there are some explanations that ultimately have to wait until she's older. "Because I said so" can actually be the right answer sometimes.
  • by encoderer ( 1060616 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @04:20PM (#22519752)
    "My parents never snooped or prodded into what I was doing"

    Or they were just very careful about it.

    To borrow some phrasing... anybody can snoop. To snoop without anybody knowing they were snooped on, THAT'S the goal.
  • by velinion ( 582423 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @04:55PM (#22520226) Homepage
    Seems to me that enabling router logging while allowing a closed system would take care of the above. Ability to privately use the computer for keeping a journal or whatever, but ability for the parents to monitor internet activity.

    Besides, with physical access to the computer, a parent can simply boot into single user mode, unless there is also a BIOS, LILO, or GRUB password.
  • Re:Pictures (Score:5, Insightful)

    by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @04:58PM (#22520274) Homepage

    If you have access *and you know what you're doing*. I get the impression that the parents don't. As for whether the submitter should be doing it, if the parents are the type who install cybernanny software on their kids computers, I say go for it.

    Uh ... wait. "Cybernanny" software for high schoolers, yeah, I can see where that's the wrong approach. But what's the problem installing it on a computer for a seven-year-old? There really is a lot of really foul stuff on the Web, and stumbling on it by accident isn't uncommon. Why allow the child's experience to be colored by that?

  • by Scrameustache ( 459504 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @05:30PM (#22520754) Homepage Journal

    He comprehended you just fine.
    No he didn't understand my point at all: I say "be a despot and see what it gets you", he replies "bullshit, if you're not a despot..."

    If I say "2+2=4", and he replies "Bullshit, 2-3 does not equal 4...", he's neither understanding, nor participating in a meaningful way in the conversation. He's just making empty arguments for the sake of conflict.
  • by TheMCP ( 121589 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @06:20PM (#22521494) Homepage
    When I was 5, my family moved to a new house in which I for the first time had a lock on my bedroom door. I didn't really care about it, but my father for some reason was very uptight about it and made a big deal about telling me that I was never, ever to lock my door.

    When I was 7 or 8, I went into my room one day and closed the door, and didn't notice that the lock accidentally jiggled itself to locked. (The knobs were cheap junk and the locks were overly loose, so this happened occasionally.) My father tried to come into my room moments later, and flew into a rage when he found the door locked. He refused to believe me that I had not intentionally locked the door, and as punishment he removed the door from my bedroom - for two years.

    I never forgave him for that. It was very traumatic for me. I couldn't bring myself to even speak to him for months afterward, and when he asked me to do any household chores my only reply was "when do I get my door back?". I felt nothing toward him but angry resentment for the next 10 or 12 years.

    You are not in a position to judge another family's personal interactions with regard to privacy. You don't know the people involved or their histories or their opinions. If the kid, at age 7, is already sufficiently bothered by whatever her parents did to her young brother's computer, and her elder brother is sufficiently bothered by it to try to prevent his parents from doing it to hers, maybe they're actually unreasonable nutjobs. It's not our place to judge.

    I spoke with a young woman once whose parents placed such draconian restrictions on her computer use in her teen years (severe time restrictions, IM buddy list restrictions, email restrictions, web filtering, and the software sends frequent reports to the parents with screenshots) that it actually interfered with her school work (the computer would lock her out before she could finish typing her homework), not to mention her social life (her friends had difficulty communicating with her, since her phone usage was highly restricted and parental monitored too). When they attempted to send her off to college with a laptop with their draconian control software still installed and just as restrictive as ever, she told them where to shove it and left. I'd be surprised if she ever speaks to them again.

    If the parents in the situation this Slashdot discussion is about feel that their 7 year old shouldn't be using the computer the brother gave her, they can ask him to take it back, they can put it in storage, they can ask their daughter to show them her emails and buddy lists and web favorites now and then, or they can put it in a family room so they can see what their daughter is doing with it. If they don't do these things, that's their parenting choice.

    Meanwhile, we could be having an interesting discussion of how to create decent passwords for people (like children) who are unable to remember arbitrary strings. I've met adults with the same problem, so it's not a moot question.
  • by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @06:58PM (#22521974)
    Where exactly did you pick number 18 from? Do you simply want to exercise your control as long as legally allowed? Do you believe government knows your child better than you and should be allowed to set the age of maturity that would be considered ridiculous for most of recorded human history?
  • by OmegaWolf747 ( 1131345 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @08:05PM (#22522688) Homepage Journal
    I actually admire anyone who can use Linux, especially at age seven! She seems like a genius if she can do that! If the girl is able to maintain her computer and care for it properly, there's no reason for her parents to care what she does. I think she has displayed great presence of mind and is aware of the dangers of the online world. The parents should trust her to use her computer properly. I don't admire authoritarian parents who think they own the kid and everything he/she owns. Yes, they're responsible and have the right to spank if a kid acts up. But how would you feel if someone could read your every email, IM and text message? Would you want that done to you? Parents, please treat your kids the way you would want them to treat you if the positions were reversed, because there will come a time when they will be.
  • by MacDork ( 560499 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @08:08PM (#22522722) Journal

    I can just envision the police phone call:

    Me too....

    Ma'am, we'd like to congratulate your child on helping us catch our 13th child predator this year. She's a real wizard with netstat, tcpdump, traceroute, and whois. We think she's very well equipped for the challenges she'll face in her very bright future.

    *beaming with pride* And to think it all started with that Debian install, a little blowfish, and encouragement!

    Obviously, when fabricating completely fictional scenarios, you're a glass half empty kind of person.

    You're legally responsible for your children until they reach the age of majority, and the only way you can possibly do that is to have some clue what your children are doing.

    Go ahead and shelter your kids if you like. Mine will be no strangers to the knowledge and skills they'll need to be well rounded people. Rather than take responsibility away from them, I'll teach them how to handle it.

  • by pcmanjon ( 735165 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @08:25PM (#22522862)
    "Yes, but does that mean she'll be smart enough to choose not to go meet that really cool girl that's friends with her online?"

    When I was around 15-16 I met strangers off the internet. I never got raped, or taken advantage of. What's with all the paranoia against strangers? The world is dangerous but I'd hope your kid has enough judgement of character to judge people. The better they can take responsibility as kids, the better they can do it as adults.

    The main stream media blows strangers up into big bad things, and label just about everyone as a rapist, or potential killer. Lay off the news.
  • Brutal Parenting (Score:3, Insightful)

    by plnrtrvlr ( 557800 ) on Friday February 22, 2008 @09:10PM (#22523220)
    I've been reading all the posts, and for the most part I agree with the "I wouldn't dream of giving my daughter unfettered access but I think that it needs to be a communication/trust thing." I have 2 daughters, 10 and 12, and for the most part, they do what they want online, and my method of "checking" was to teach them a long time ago, don't hide things, it will only make me more curious what you're up to.... and then when I find something I don't like them seeing, talk to them about it without freaking out on them. so far, it's worked... But there's something haunting me with the way the poster posed his questions that leads me to wonder if the parents are practicing some rather brutal parenting methods. I grew up with a mother who used everything in my life as a cudgel to beat me with -as if growing up a geek wasn't difficult enough! It may be that the brother is simply trying to give his sister some breathing room -though I think the attempt is misguided. If the parenting skills in that house are so bad that he feels he can better educate and protect his sister than his parents can, then child protective services might be more appropriate than a debian box.
  • by ElPistolero ( 1048136 ) on Saturday February 23, 2008 @01:26AM (#22524658)
    While I commend her in being so geeky and security conscious at such a young age, her parents *should* and absolutely, positively *have to* be able to monitor and limit the time she spends on the computer and the activities she can perform there. It is an absolute no-no to allow a kid the use of a computer unsupervised. Find an adequate authentication mechanism (Lunix should have some kind of pictogram thing or graphical thingumabob to allow her in without much head banging on her side and still keep the computer secure while giving her parents full access to the machine to oversee her time on it)

    Anyhoo, my 2 cents.
  • by EmbeddedJanitor ( 597831 ) on Saturday February 23, 2008 @02:28AM (#22524884)
    lets a 7 year old kid play around on the internet by themselves?

    Parents: the internet is not a nanny.

    How about getting the kid to play with playdough, building blocks etc. Studies show much more educational benefit for this playing with building blocks than on a computer.

  • Yeah, Parent Here (Score:2, Insightful)

    by pippadaisy ( 196729 ) on Saturday February 23, 2008 @11:54AM (#22526992) Homepage
    I can assure you if "older brother" gave "7-year-old sister" a laptop all set up and locked me out with passwords? I'd be sure to take the thing outside in front of both of them and drive over it repeatedly with my soccer mom van. Just to prove a point.

    Way to set up a lifelong family schism before she's even 10. They are the parents, older brother. You aren't. And no 7-year-old should have unfettered web access. Are you also going to take the time to explain the fisting video she stumbles upon when she misspells a URL and ends up at the wrong web site?

    Of course, I think parents who rely on nanny software instead of their own parenting skills are lazy and clueless. But since older brother obviously feels that he will be a far better parent than his sister currently has, maybe his time would be better off spent actually having a kid of his own and re-evaluating that policy with his own kid.

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