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CIA Claims Cyber Attackers Blacked Out Cities 280

Dotnaught writes to tell us InformationWeek is reporting that the CIA admitted today that recent power outages in multiple cities outside the United States are the result of cyberattacks. "We have information, from multiple regions outside the United States, of cyber intrusions into utilities, followed by extortion demands. We suspect, but cannot confirm, that some of these attackers had the benefit of inside knowledge. We have information that cyberattacks have been used to disrupt power equipment in several regions outside the United States. In at least one case, the disruption caused a power outage affecting multiple cities. We do not know who executed these attacks or why, but all involved intrusions through the Internet."
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CIA Claims Cyber Attackers Blacked Out Cities

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  • by munrom ( 853142 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @03:21AM (#22106196)
    Am I the only one that thinks thats a really stupid thing to do?
  • i smell... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19, 2008 @03:22AM (#22106202)
    a thinly-veiled excuse to get all george orwell up in your internets. this is the same CIA that found weapons of mass destruction in iraq...
  • by schnikies79 ( 788746 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @03:32AM (#22106292)
    There is no better security than just not being connected, end of story.

    Where does this idea that every computer that exists must be plugged into the net come from?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19, 2008 @03:44AM (#22106364)
    If anyone believes anything that the CIA tells you then I fear for the future of the human race. It sounds like another political hobgoblin created to add to the never ending list of hobgoblins that is being created nowadays. I am just waiting for the next opportune announcement that provides the next lame excuse to invade another country and commit another round of genocide. 'Intelligence' Agency? A contradiction in terms.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19, 2008 @03:45AM (#22106380)
    I thought the exact same thing. I'm no expert on power grids and how they're managed, but I think there are two possible reasons why their control systems were hooked up to the Internet:

    1. There may be situations where the systems need to be remotely administered, and using the Internet is a much, much cheaper way to facilitate this than deploying a completely private network infrastructure just for this purpose, which probably isn't very practical (for both physical and financial reasons).

    2. pr0n browsing.

  • by no-body ( 127863 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @03:50AM (#22106398)
    You must have clicked the box: "Always trust news from CIA"
  • by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @04:04AM (#22106492) Journal
    Am I the only one that thinks thats a really stupid thing to do?

    It takes only a single breach. The story mentioned it may be an inside job, which means somebody may have put a single little link between the two systems, breaking the separation.
       
  • Re:15% solution (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19, 2008 @04:04AM (#22106496)
    Yeah, something like Enron could never happen in the private sector.
  • Re:15% solution (Score:5, Insightful)

    by QuickFox ( 311231 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @04:04AM (#22106500)

    but at least (in theory...) the president can ultimately be held accountable.
    That's extremely theoretical. In practice, he got reelected.
  • Re:Just in time... (Score:1, Insightful)

    by do_kev ( 1086225 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @04:05AM (#22106502)
    Just in time... ... for US Federal elections. Coincidence?

    FUD.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 19, 2008 @04:41AM (#22106656)
    This ain't Whiz Kids people, everything isn't connected, hackable, and DoS-able - and since when does the CIA say anything, much less in a press release? This is plain old simple psy-ops on dummmy Americans, who will say, "Yes, something must be done...for the children...", and then we'll all have a bunch more bullshit internet 'enhancing', privacy 'upholding', aptly named laws like the JESUS WRAPPED IN A FLAG Act.

    Dear CIA, If you're so concerned, go unplug the router, and don't waste your breath and insult the intelligence of 14 year olds with your 'teh Chinas hackin teh Gibson!' line of crap.
  • Los Angeles (Score:3, Insightful)

    by commodoresloat ( 172735 ) * on Saturday January 19, 2008 @04:46AM (#22106686)
    LA has been getting them over the past few weeks pretty regularly. Entire sections of Hollywood down for several hours at a time (maybe a dozen blocks at a time), and then a couple days later it will be a section starting a few blocks away. Seems to have stopped a couple weeks ago (or was it last week?) But of course I can't tell, I haven't been driving up and down LA to check if it's still happening. But it seemed really weird and random, and the cops were not directing traffic right away (which suggests they were caught off-guard); after a while there were electrician types in groups at certain corners digging through wiring or whatever and looking confused. I noticed it 2 or three times at night, and then it hit my neighborhood in the afternoon on a weekend.
  • Re:BS (Score:1, Insightful)

    by scifiber_phil ( 630217 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @10:45AM (#22108384)
    Many people do not want their government to invade their lives here, but when you voice these concerns, you are in danger of being labeled a mindless kook, or worse yet, unpatriotic. You do not want to be labeled unpatriotic in America, as you are then just a hop from being a traitor. Your concerns can then be dismissed as the ravings of a traitorous fool. We have gutted the fourth amendment, and have thus rendered the first and fifth amendments meaningless. If we are forced to self-censor ourselves in our private speech because the fourth and fifth amendments no longer apply, meaningful discussion of complex issues becomes impossible and futile.
  • by eyenot ( 102141 ) <eyenot@hotmail.com> on Saturday January 19, 2008 @02:21PM (#22110442) Homepage
    Look, it's the CIA. The first thing to keep in mind is that public statements, on subjects that gaurantee most Americans will listen and remember, coming from the CIA, are typically tailored by the upper levels so that the public response will be either of two things: (1) predictable, (2) informative.

    The predictable response class, however else you may think of it, actually categorizes as "believing the information out of hand".

    The other response is watched more closely for various reasons: to see who's missing screws or needs to be portrayed as such; to see who has anti-U.S. agendas or needs to be accused of such; conversely, to see whether any Americans are intelligent enough to "get it" (the intelligence game or information commodities manipulation), or, to see whether they've made any internal errors of estimation or accuracy.

    That's just how the statements are analysed. As for motivation, sometimes these statements are provided to sort of "poke" the public and instigate certain beliefs to become more widely held (or more widely dismissed), and sometimes these statements are released as a form of "noise", or what some people mistakenly refer to as "smokescreening". In an actual smokescreen, some information is used to either obliterate the immediate availability of some other information or draw attention away from it. In the use of "noise", some information is important enough to covert yet valuable enough to keep on the information market, so instead of the information being occluded, it's obscured instead by means of flooding the market with information that's similarly themed (or even just similarly spelled).

    So if you, say, go on about the public statement as if it's truthful, or possessed of a genuine concern for the American public's mental and emotional well-being, then you are definitely missing half the truth but might be missing all of it (depending on the motivation).

    "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
    --- William J. Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)
  • Re:15% solution (Score:3, Insightful)

    by budgenator ( 254554 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @02:28PM (#22110522) Journal
    Sometimes the hardest part of being the Mayor is recognizing when the village idiot has his flash of genius.
  • by delt0r ( 999393 ) on Saturday January 19, 2008 @02:42PM (#22110642)
    Try installing or maintaining most Linux distros with a air gap. Not only do most distros assume a internet connection, but they assume that you don't mind big downloads all the time. Tools to keep it up to date without a internet connections just are not out there.

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