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TSA Limits Lithium Batteries on Airplanes 595

yali writes "The U.S. Transportation and Security Administration has issued new rules limiting travel with lithium batteries. As of January 1, no spare lithium batteries are allowed in checked luggage. Batteries carried in the cabin are subject to limitations on per-battery and total lithium content, and spare batteries must have the terminals covered. If you're returning home from the holidays with new toys, be sure to check out the new restrictions before you pack."
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TSA Limits Lithium Batteries on Airplanes

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  • by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @04:51PM (#21842734) Homepage Journal
    I doubt this has much to do with terrorism and everything to do with safety.
    A lithium battery in checked luggage that shorts out could be a major disaster. Take a look at what happened when some oxygen generators where not shipped properly.

    If a fire happens in the passenger cabin it will be noticed and hopefully put out quickly. One in the luggage hold could be a bigger problem.
    When I think about just how battery/energy crazy we are getting I have to wonder if it really is a good idea.
    I have a six gigabyte memory card in my cellphone. When my wife and I travel we have two notebooks, two Nintendo DS's, two cell phones, an iPod video, and at least one digital camera!
    I wonder just how many batteries are being made a year these days?

    Frankly these rules are a lot more logical than the restrictions on screwdrivers, nail files, nail clippers, and pocketknives.
    BTW great pictures on your blog.

  • by Harmonious Botch ( 921977 ) * on Friday December 28, 2007 @04:52PM (#21842750) Homepage Journal
    I recall a rather nasty home-defense weapon that a friend of mine had for his wife to use ( they were in a rather rural area with slow police response ). It was a short-barrel .44 revolver - light, easy to use, won't jam - with a load that looked like a miniature shotgun shell. It had a bunch of pellets about 1 mm in diameter. He said that it could rip a person apart at close range, but could not penetrate 2 sheets of drywall.
  • by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @04:54PM (#21842760) Journal
    head back to the restroom crack them open and construct and incendiary device.


    And you can't do the same thing with sodium and water or a hundred other items that can be brought on board?

    I said it in a previous posting, but soon, the only way to get onto a plane will be like this [mwctoys.com].

  • Bass Ackwards (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Quila ( 201335 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @04:56PM (#21842778)
    The TSA seems to be able to implement all sorts of insane, useless rules on a moment's notice.

    But when it comes to a rule that averts something that actually has a reasonable chance of endangering a flight, they wait months after the hazard was known to the whole world before taking any action.
  • by madsheep ( 984404 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @05:04PM (#21842862) Homepage
    Well I am not sure whether people should worry much about this. Why you ask? Well the TSA folks generally aren't that bright. This means one of two things will happen.

    1) The TSA agents won't know what a Lithium battery is and people that have extra batteries won't be affected - should they forget about or ignore the rule.

    2) The TSA agent won't know what a Lithium battery is and people that don't have Lithium batteries will have them confiscated/removed because they are idiots.

    Which one is more likely and should we worry in either case? :D
  • by hughk ( 248126 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @05:14PM (#21842966) Journal
    Seen at London City airport in London by security - a vending machine selling pre-stamped mailers and a post collection point. Such a small thing to organise but how many passengers feel happier not having to 'lose' stuff at security.
  • by DragonWriter ( 970822 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @05:34PM (#21843174)

    As for the reasons behind this (since some apparantly didn't read TFA)- it sounds like there was a cargo hold fire on one plane caused by lithium batteries


    Are you one that didn't read TFA? Because there is a big gap between "The National Transportation Safety Board earlier this month said it could not rule out lithium batteries as the source of a cargo plane fire at Philadelphia International Airport last year" and "there was a cargo hold fire on one plane caused by lithium batteries".
  • by networkBoy ( 774728 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @06:06PM (#21843524) Journal
    0) get permission to place your business at security checkpoints (???)
    1) Set up a kiosk at large airports immediately next to the security checkpoint.
    2) Sell postage paid USPS flat rate boxes for $20.00
    3) profit!
  • by 4D6963 ( 933028 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @07:18PM (#21844094)

    after the hassle of getting to the airport and getting through the security line, and getting the additional security checks, which involve large ugly men cupping my balls, then having a screw driver and my batteries confiscated, and then having to walk a mile through the air port terminal to my gate, and then crammed onto an air planes tiny little seats with a screaming baby and smug barbie doll flight attendents and then you want to give me a gun?

    Yes. Solves the security check problem. Potential weapons other than explosive devices wouldn't be checked for anymore, that means security would be only about looking for bombs, not maces/knives/scissors/box cutters and so on. Two birds, one stone.

  • by RobinH ( 124750 ) on Friday December 28, 2007 @11:34PM (#21845698) Homepage
    A couple years ago I went on a camping trip for a week and had to fly there. My father and I flew out of Detroit to Salt Lake City, and among the stuff we packed in our checked luggage for the camping trip was an air mattress and battery operated inflater (quite common in any camping equipment store). On the way out, there was a note in the bag saying the luggage had been searched, and we noticed the batteries had been removed from the inflater... not a big deal, as I'm sure they show up looking odd on an X-ray.

    On the way back home, though, there was another note from the TSA, and the inflater was just gone. They didn't remove the batteries and put it back, or anything, it was just stolen.

    I looked into submitting a claim for the lost item, and discovered that the form I would have to submit was the same form you used to make a wrongful death claim. Nice. I decided it wasn't worth my effort to try and get reimbursed for a $25 or so item.

    Readers Digest did a little unscientific poll recently to figure out who were the most and least honest people in the world. They did this by dropping cell phones in odd places, then calling them so people would find the phone, and seeing how many people would return it. I found it quite interesting that the least honest group was security guards. Of course, this is practically the same demographic as TSA agents, so I guess it's no surprise that some of them are looting peoples' luggage.
  • by mpe ( 36238 ) on Saturday December 29, 2007 @04:18AM (#21846812)
    The airplane's compressors have enough reserve capacity to pressurize the plane even with a small hole in the skin. There would be air blowing out through the hole, but that's about it.

    Aircraft already tend to have lots of tiny holes in both the skin and the rear preassure bulkhead. Made by these things called rivets. Building an aircraft which was totally airtight would only increase the price.
  • by syousef ( 465911 ) on Saturday December 29, 2007 @03:58PM (#21850714) Journal
    My wife and I went to New Zealand for our honeymoon. We took 2 SLRs, a point and shoot camera, and a laptop (would have been with a spare battery, but I forgot to put it in the bag and we were pushing cabin baggage weight limits as it was). We took 20,000 pictures in 3 weeks. The emphasis wasn't even photography and we aren't pros - it was our honeymoon and we still had plenty of time to drive 6000km and do all the things honeymooners do. We just take a shitload of pictures and then sort the good from the bad when we get home.

    Now she's a nervous flyer and it was her first time overseas. I've been wanting to get her to do a longer trip - the grand canyon followed by the Canadian mountains would be great. However if we go to the US, we have to worry about being finger printed, having our equipment tossed away, she has allergies that can stop her breathing so carries epi pens (adrenaline needles) which literally stand between her and death if she has a reaction. Oh and she's just changed her last name to Yousef. Never mind that she's blonde and blue eyed and that although I look Arabic I think all religion and politics is poison. We're about as low risk in terms of terrorism as a couple could be.

    What it boils down to is this. American's have been running around since headless chooks since 9/11. I simply don't trust those in charge to get it right and see us as no threat. I think a holiday to the US for us is high risk and would be about as much fun as major dental work. I can't justify it. It's a real pity.

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