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TransUnion to Offer Credit Freezes Nationwide 174

An anonymous reader writes "In a little-noticed press release issued Tuesday, credit reporting bureau TransUnion said it would begin offering credit freezes to all Americans, a change the belies the credit industry's oft-uttered claim that doing so would be too expensive and burdensome. The program takes effect Oct. 15, 2007, will cost $10 each to place and to remove, and request and must be filed by certified mail. As The Washington Post reports, the move comes as some 39 states and the District of Columbia have passed laws entitling their residents to credit freeze rights. The new right may have little benefit unless the other two major credit reporting bureaus follow suit, and both companies are staying mum about any plans to do so. In May, Slashdot examined a related story on the credit bureaus' traditional resistance to freeze laws."
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TransUnion to Offer Credit Freezes Nationwide

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  • Re:Too lazy... (Score:5, Informative)

    by stoolpigeon ( 454276 ) * <bittercode@gmail> on Wednesday September 19, 2007 @09:57PM (#20676053) Homepage Journal
    You can put a lock on your credit report so that new accounts cannot be opened.
  • Re:Confused... (Score:4, Informative)

    by stoolpigeon ( 454276 ) * <bittercode@gmail> on Wednesday September 19, 2007 @10:00PM (#20676079) Homepage Journal
    it helps when it keeps the people who stole your identity from opening more accounts
  • Re:Confused... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 19, 2007 @10:03PM (#20676099)
    1) I ask to freeze my credit history
    2) My history is frozen
    3) ???
    4) profit


    3a) identity thief attempts to open an account in my name
    3b) identity thief fails to guess the secret password needed to mail in and unlock my account
    3c) identity thief's credit line is denied.
    3d) my credit record is safe, allowing me to unlock the credit when I actually do need it and...

    In simple terms, it makes sure nobody else can attach lines of credit to you. The credit bureaus hate this because every time someone verifies your credit, they make $50 or so, which means that they have a financial interest in making sure as many people as possible can access your credit as often as possible. If they only made money when people were legitimately applying for a credit card or a mortgage, they'd never be able to pay their CEO the millions of dollars he deserves.
  • Re:Confused... (Score:3, Informative)

    by lena_10326 ( 1100441 ) on Wednesday September 19, 2007 @10:06PM (#20676125) Homepage
    stoolpigeon is right, but also it could be used as a preventive measure. Let's say you buy your house and you won't need to open any accounts for several years. You freeze your account so no one can open an account under your name and SSN. The thieves could have all your info but it wouldn't do any good, unless they find a way to unfreeze your account, but they wouldn't know your account was frozen. They'd only know you were denied credit (if it's implemented right). Also, it would be an undesirable expense to pay the $10 for every stolen name, and even that could leave a paper trail.
  • by puck01 ( 207782 ) on Wednesday September 19, 2007 @10:34PM (#20676341)
    Your absolutely right about the importance of having a credit history. A short credit history can kill a credit score even without any delinquencies or other negative factors.

    I do take issue with the benefit of keeping the credit limit low. A potential lender may see larger limits and take that as a sign that other lenders feel comfortable extending credit to you. This is reflected in how the score is calculated. I use Experian's site regularly because I have free access due to my previous job (employer exposed employee data so they bought us all full access). There is a section where you can modify a number of the factors that affect your credit score and see what your score would be with the modified factors. Raising your limits on your credit cards accounts can improve your score. What will harm your score is having a low total percentage of credit available. For example if you have a balance of $400 on credit cards with a total limit of $500 between your credit cards, you will only have 20% of your credit available. This will negatively affect your credit score. If you have a $10,000 total limit with the same $400 balance, your percent of available credit is close to 100% and your score with be much higher.
  • Re:Confused... (Score:4, Informative)

    by karmatic ( 776420 ) on Wednesday September 19, 2007 @10:36PM (#20676373)
    If you want to stop all the pre-screen credit card offers, opt out [optoutprescreen.com].
  • by GizmoToy ( 450886 ) on Wednesday September 19, 2007 @11:32PM (#20676801) Homepage
    Credit freezes would have no effect on pre-existing credit. This would not stop anyone from raising your credit card limits as access to your credit report is not required to do so. They can, and usually will, provide limits increases based solely upon your previous spending habits and payment history.

    I frequently read through CreditBoards, and while having a lot of available credit could conceivably hurt you, actually being denied for having too much credit is pretty rare and seems to only apply to mortgages. In this case, the loan officer will instruct you to close some tradelines before they will proceed. This practice hardly seem predatory, especially given the multitude of other huge problems with the CRA system.
  • by sconeu ( 64226 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @12:02AM (#20677001) Homepage Journal
    [AOL] Me Too [/AOL]

    I had a case of ID theft, filed a police report and everything. Experian kept telling me I wasn't me.
    Equifax and TransUnion had no problems.

    Experian are a bunch of asshats.
  • by ageoffri ( 723674 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @12:18AM (#20677101)
    DO NOT USE THE PHONE OR EMAIL This can't be stated enough. Check out http://www.creditboards.com/ [creditboards.com] for more then enough information to successfully fight the 3 major Credit Reporting Agencies. About 2.5 years ago I had one stupid credit card company decide that since my sister and I have the same first letter in our first names that we were the same person and they closed my account also and listed it as a charge off due to bankruptcy which my sister did file. After I figured out what they did the company was very quick to correct the mistake. I then sent letters to the 3 CRA's and two of them followed the law and removed the bankruptcy and updated my account. After repeated attempts with the third I sent a letter labeled Intent to Sue and listed the legal statues that I was prepared to sue under. Almost immediately they corrected the information.

    Send everything in writing and send it certified mail return receipt, yes it is a pain but when the time comes to the the CRA to small claims court you have everything you need.

  • by Duncan3 ( 10537 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @01:54AM (#20677625) Homepage
    1. By law, make it the creditor's problem to prove that charges or credit requests were legitimate.

    Funny thing that. It is.
  • by peterofoz ( 1038508 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @02:52AM (#20677915) Homepage Journal
    Just before we refinanced our home mortgage I had to pay of and cancel several credit cards and ask the remaining ones to lower our credit limit from $50,000 to about $5,000. The credit card companies were 'consuming' our ratings which reduced our ability to get a much lower cost mortgage. Now I just carry 2 cards: 1 for work and 1 for home.
  • by saikou ( 211301 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @02:52AM (#20677917) Homepage
    I'd say that's the right observation for completely wrong reasons. Your credit score depends on the amount of the credit line you use. So if you have a card that's being used up to 90% and then your creditor increases your credit line so you only use 60% of your card the score improves (that's also why it's recomended to have several cards and spread your charges around instead of using one to the max).
    You may have problem only if your total amount of credit starts to exceed your possible income. But in that case you don't really need another credit card anyways (though it may have implications for getting a different type of credit such as mortgage etc)
    But yes, credit companies love to extend the credit to "not credit worthy" because there is a better chance of getting fees/interest payments/etc.

    Of course it's more fun to think that all of the free credit increases you get are just companies trying to "get you". But it's sorta like believing that cities that provide water service do it so they can put "evil drugs" in the water. And electric companies transmit through the power lines hidden mind control signals.

    If credit card is really interested in screwing you, they wouldn't increase your credit line. Instead they'd report to credit agencies that you were late with your payment 3 times by more than 30 days, which'll put your rating in the toilet so much faster.
  • by pgrst ( 662201 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:23AM (#20679173)

    It goes deeper than that. Companies you have credit with will extend you more credit than you think you have (often in the form of higher limits) not just because they like you, but because it can actually lower your credit score by making you more "at risk" for being in debt because you have access to credit.

    This is a common misconception regarding credit limits. larger credit lines do not decrease credit scores. An increased credit line decreases a) credit utilization for that specific credit line and b) overall credit utilization. - Two of the primary determinants of credit scores. (of course, this assumes that when the individual is offered more credit the individual does not run up more charges...)

  • Educate Yourself (Score:5, Informative)

    by encoderer ( 1060616 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @08:46AM (#20679343)
    I really think you should educate yourself. Maybe then you wouldn't say such stupid and offensive things. There are about 2 dozen books written about the Enron collapse but if you can't be bothered to actually READ you should at least pick up the Documentary Enron: The smartest guys in the room.

    First, there was a lot of corporate pressure for Employees to invest all their 401k allocation in company stock. This was pushed by the HR department as well as the C-level managers at corporate pep rallies. Second, Enron stock was GOING THRU THE ROOF. It was EXPLODING. You're sitting there, in the middle of the 90s boom, and you're seeing your co-workers dumping the max federal limit into their 401k's, every dime of it into company stock, you see the internal view of the company, flush with cash and growing like crazy, and you see those co-workers becoming MILLIONAIRES before your eyes. So you invest your 401k into Enron stock and get your boarding pass to the gravy train.

    Still, I can level with you that personal greed (however understandable) is what put them in that position. However, there's a whole lot of people who never really had a choice. PG&E was bought on the cheap and integrated them with the rest of the Enron West Cost energy assets. PG&E had an internal stock ownership program: employees were granted shares of the company. Lifelong employees had loads of stock in a company that had been local, with a solid business, for decades. This was their nest egg.

    When Enron bought them, they swapped PG&E shares for Enron shares. No doubt many of these employees were excited to see that, considering how Enrons stock was still going strong. But these are people who never really had a choice. They lost everything. And the very worst part of that story is that a Federal Bankruptcy Judge injuncted those employees from selling the stock. Enrons share price didn't collapse overnight. It took some time to unpeel that onion. At the same time, executives like Lou Pai were selling millions (even Hundreds of Millions) of dollars in Enron stock, these poor bastards who worked 40 years as linemen or plant operators were forced to just sit by and watch the stock price plunge.

    This was an absolute tragedy. These people were just bent over and fucked over and over by the company AND the government. You really should educate yourself before you speak.
  • Re:Confused... (Score:3, Informative)

    by EllisDees ( 268037 ) on Thursday September 20, 2007 @10:38AM (#20680653)
    I had my identity stolen about three years ago and as a result, I put a 7 year freeze on my credit reports. What this means is that if I request any kind of credit, or if someone else does so in my name, the company offering the credit has to call me and verify that I am making the request before it can be opened. There is really no reason to "unfreeze" your credit under any circumstance, and IMHO this should be the default behavior for giving credit.
  • Re:Confused... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 20, 2007 @10:50AM (#20680847)
    With Experian, you are given a 10-digit PIN which you must provide in addition to the other identifying information (full name, SSN, DOB, confirmation # of a recently purchased report) in order to thaw your report.

    Basically, this service allows you to selectively decide whether you want somebody to pull your Experian report. Your report is typically pulled when applying for new credit, undergoing background checks, apply for insurance, marketers looking for candidates to send Balance-Transfer offers, etc.

    It does not affect existing creditors - they are allowed to keep pulling soft reports for account reviews, etc.

    One caveat to this is that a freeze does not prevent one (or a thief) from requesting a credit limit increase on a tradeline. Of course, if a thief is requesting the CLI, they then have to go further and avoid activity that is out-of-character for your account history and/or the credit grantor has determined to be a fraudalent pattern or activity.

    The other reason why freezes are used is when your Experian report is worse, has more hard inquiries, or has derogatory info (or more so) compared to the other 2 bureaus. Experian is quite tough about removing derogs, hard inquiries, or incorrect info, and many credit applicants find it more beneficial if a credit grantor pulls their TransUnion or Equifax reports. Oftentimes, a credit analyst will call and ask that you unfreeze your report. You can do so, or request that they pull your TransUnion or Equifax reports instead. Some will, some won't. The ones that won't will insist on pulling your Experian report, or deny your application if you refuse to thaw it.

    Besides, as a another poster has stated, depending on your state, you can thaw a report, let a credit grantor pull your report, and then refreeze it the same day.

    Like it or not, knowledge about credit is usually the one factor you can control that determines your success in your personal life and business. From what I've read on this thread, most slashdotters are pretty ignorant about credit and how it be useful for their goals.

    Everybody on this board should visit www.creditboards.com/forums and become more educated about the credit process rather than perpetuating false info and myths about credit.

It's a naive, domestic operating system without any breeding, but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.

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