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Re:OK but ... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:OK but ... (Score:4, Insightful)
If its as simple as calling the credit agency and supplying another number to them, aren't the criminals just going to start swapping these numbers as well as credit card numbers?
It doesn't stop anything, just introduces a new charge to pay.
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Re:OK but ... (Score:5, Insightful)
How often in a year do you open new credit lines? There will be times in your life where you need instant access to get new credit lines, also many times where you are settled and would be better off frozen.
At the same time, this prevents nothing and only complicates the process. Thieves will adjust and unfreeze your account. If they have your identity, they are you. what do you do if you dont remmeber your recurity code, you call and have it reset. but you is them in this case. they still got you.
Now it opens up another way your ex can harras you. They call up as you and freeze your credit line with a code you dont know.
does it also prevent your credit report from getting pulled? that sounds like a nice way to hide from creditors you owe money too.
Dont get me wrong, I like the idea. but nothing is ever simple.
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So far, this year... zero.
Now it opens up another way your ex can harras you. They call up as you and freeze your credit line with a code you dont know.
This is the equivalent of putting a lock on my barbecue grill. I don't need to move it anyway- what does it matter if I have the key to the lock, or not?
does it also prevent your credit report from getting pulled? that sounds like a nice way to hide from creditors you owe money too.
They don't need to pull your
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As far as ducking from creditors, I was not very clear at all. If you owe lots of bills/child support and leave town, you can prevent them from using your credit report to hunt you down in your new location. I know its a minor thing, but it does get used that way.
My point about asking how
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DING DING DING
Why is it that otherwise bright people don't see what kind of royal scam the entire credit culture represents? I'm listening to the radio for the basketball scores from last night and in the last 2-minute commercial break there were THREE spots for a)"repair your credit by buying an out-of-date computer at an inflated price", b) "repair your credit by refinancing your house" and c)for some outfit that will help you negotiate with your credito
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Then the employer should say "uh, hey, uh... I need to run a credit check on you" and the person will either release the freeze or tell the employer to find someone else. Likewise, if the loan company wants your business, they'll probably even send you a nice letter with the phone number to call and all.
In most cases it is limited to $50 or so if it is reported in a timely man
Or you're paranoid. (Score:5, Insightful)
Instead, why not "freeze" them by default?
Then if the customer WANTS to open a new credit account, the fee to "unfreeze" can be rolled into the new account.
If the customer wants someone to do a credit check on him, the fee can be rolled into the new account OR paid by the organization doing the check.
Why pass a law that doesn't, by default, protect EVERYONE?
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Re:Or you're paranoid. (Score:5, Insightful)
Exactly whose financial interests would this new law be in?
Now you know why.
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Re:OK but ... (Score:5, Informative)
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Brilliant (Score:3, Interesting)
Yeah, that's a good idea... So how many ID-Ten-T consumers are going to carry this number around -- in their wallets/purses or leave them unsecured in a filing cabinet? When will legislators get a clue that most people are complete ignorant about the security of almost anything?
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> this number around -- in their wallets/purses
Probably close to 0% - why would anyone do that?
or leave them unsecured in a filing cabinet?
Probably a lot, if by "unsecured filing cabinet" you include, say, pretty much anywhere inside a house.
So what's wrong with that?
> When will legislators get a clue that most people are complete
> ignorant about the security of almost anything?
The vast ma
Re:Brilliant (Score:4, Interesting)
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Until, over time, you're required to use that number to prove you're the owner of the friggin' credit card.
All of these mechanism eventually
If they are really concerned about ID theft (Score:4, Funny)
How they fix it it their business.
OTOH, with ID theft becoming more common, reporting agency will eventually be worthless since no one can depend on their reports anymore.
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OTOH, with ID theft becoming more common, reporting agency will eventually be worthless since no one can depend on their reports anymore.
The problem is that, relative to the population, ID theft is very uncommon. So therefore, these numbers are accurate in the vast majority of cases, and when they are inaccurate, they indicate that someone is higher risk than they actually are. In other words, there is no increased risk by relying upon these numbers, and most of the time firms won't lose too much business by utilizing them.
Stop dilly dalling (Score:4, Interesting)
If I can use a piece of important information only once before it changes then nobody can replay it.
Incidentally, how do you prove you are you to actually put the freeze/unfreeze in place?
ATTN: Security Freeze Cancelation ALERT (Score:5, Insightful)
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If, however, this turns out to be toothless (much more likely than the above), poorly implemented (almost a surety), or if violations are ignored by the feds (well, duh), then well, to answer your question, "almost everyone." What can I say? People are
Easy Solution: (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously, it's not my job to make sure you verify the identity of your clients and I shouldnt have any consequences if you dont do it right.
Also, anybody who loses data used to steal an identity should be responsible for the consequences. If you run over a pedestrian on a sidewalk you pay te medical bills right?
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Identity theft is a problem because it works now by blaming the victim. Hold the institution that issued the fraudulent credit accountable and they'll do a better job of securing proper transactions. Seriously, set out what damages I can collect if a bank issues a loan to "me" who isn't me. Once this happens, banks will be much more interested in strong methods for identifying clients and overall bank security could improve as a secondary effect.
Rock.
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Seriously, it's a good idea, but they got the lawmakers in their pocket. Just like transportation companies are largely exempt from emissions requirements and airlines get government handouts to stay in business, he with the best lobbyists get to make the rules.
Goverment one step behind (Score:4, Interesting)
This is also supposed to stop those pre-approvals that constantly clog up your mailbox... (well, mine at least.)
New Laws! Hallelujah! (Score:3, Insightful)
What is it, something like 20,000 separate laws "controlling" the ownership and use of guns, yet we still get VaTech?
And, of course, whenever those don't work, why, we'll just PASS MORE LAWS!
How great to be a politician, where you're never graded on what you actually do, just what you SAY.
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> We ALL now how much better "protected" we are after our politicians pass NEW LAWS
> to protect us! What is it, something like 20,000 separate laws "controlling" the
> ownership and use of guns, yet we still get VaTech?
What a bizarre conflation of two extremely different types of legislation! That's got to be the strangest justification for not passing new laws that I've seen in a long time.
Let me conflate this legislation with another law that's not as wildly dissimilar as gun control law
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But that won't stop Congressman "X" and Senator "Y" from standing together in the Oval Office, posing for the cameras while the President signs their bill.
I repeat: Politicians are seldom judged on what they DO, only for their stated intentions.
So vote for "X" and "Y".
Personal info should be private by default (Score:5, Insightful)
Any time anyone wants any of of my personal info, be it SS#, Credit Report, phone number, address, email address, et al. they should be required to get my authorization before it can be released or even used. Kinda like medical/health info except done a lot more robustly. I'd go so far as to advocate serious jail time for individuals who abuse my personal info, for instance all the laptops that various government agencies manage to lose. I'd hope the threat of years in a federal penitentiary would do the trick.
I'm not holding my breath, but it pisses me off to no end that I have to maintain so much of a defense of my information.
Umm... (Score:4, Insightful)
-jcr
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Oh yeah.... (Score:2, Interesting)
And what lobbyists were in on this "legislation"? Hmmmm, do you think the credit bureaus and the banks? Hmmmm????
Sorry, whenever there's "Legislation" I automatically think that the industry lobbyists wrote it.
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It's all about, 'oh no, this [insert lastest scam here] is scandalous!!!!! Here's my proposed fix!!!! Vote for me!!!!'
Another poster here had it right - give people who either lose or steal your data 20 years...should concentrate the minds a little.
A More In-Depth Look Here (Score:5, Interesting)
One highlight, which looks at the role of the Consumer Data Industry Association (CDIA), the lobbyist group that works for the data broker industry and the credit bureaus:
"Goldberg, who has worked with advocates in more than a dozen states to enact freeze legislation, said that in 2005 the CDIA and the credit-reporting agencies shifted their strategy. They no longer were outright opposed to credit-freeze laws; instead, they worked to convince states to allow the bureaus to charge as much as possible when consumers place, lift or remove credit freezes. "The credit reporting agencies clearly want consumers to pay more for the security freeze than we certainly think they should," Goldberg said. "But given that those same agencies collect all of this sensitive financial data about consumers and then turn around and sell it, we think they should also have the obligation to protect the consumer, and that's where the security freeze comes in.
Why does this problem still exist? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is one of the problems that requires long-overdue federal legislation to remedy. It needs to consist of the following:
* Complete elimination of the use of SSNs by non-governmental agencies to track individuals, including employers and insurers
* Disallowing tracking numbers for enumeration of individuals to remain the same across any two or more private organizations
* Requirement of independently-verifiable photo and/or hashed/digitally-signed/analog biometric verification of the purchaser for large purchases on credit (not all of the above necessarily - even an original copy of a fingerprint plus a photograph of the person with the contract would be sufficient)
* Increased onus on creditors to prove that the alleged debtor was, in fact, the person responsible for the purchase or transgression in question via the identification as above
* Severe criminal penalties (up to life imprisonment) and civil penalties ($250,000 or triple the value of the offense, whichever is greater, per offense) for those who purposely attempt to steal identities, subvert the security measures for the purpose of identity theft, or facilitate the reporting of false information on debtors for which adequate steps have not been taken to verify identity
* Mandatory FIPS-based security for the storage of personal information
* Withholding of derogatory credit information that is in dispute during the time that affected individuals are making a proper challenge to said derogatory information
Do all of that, and what you'll find is that this problem will vaporize overnight. It won't prevent other problems such as outright credit card theft (for which there are separate solutions anyway), but it will cut this problem off where it needs to be cut off.
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Trash (Score:2, Insightful)
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> This law, quite frankly, is a load of ****.
> It just doesn't accomplish anything. Sure, I can freeze my report
> but any thief worth his salt will steal the passcode if/when he steals my identity.
You might have a point if it was simply possible for a thief to call up the 3 credit bureaus and say "Hi, my name is, uh, Mephistophocles and could you give me my credit report freeze code PIN? Great, thanks, bye."
Fortunately, it's not that simple. Here in NC, to enact a freeze, you have to co
Here's a novel idea... (Score:2)
Here's a better plan (Score:2, Insightful)
So why not pass a law that says that banks are responsible for all the debt racked up in such accounts. That might focus the banks minds a little on making sure that the customer really is who (s)he says (s)he is.
Then just to make it really clear that the government would like everyone to
What about the cops!?! (Score:2, Interesting)
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Driving without a license.
Driving without proof of ID
Driving without proof of Insurance
Driving a car not registered in your name. Was the car stolen too?
They make you sign the ticket right? Signatures dont match whats on record;
the have an image of that right? They have an image of your face from DMV
right..and these great cars cannot receive an image?
So who's car were they in?
How about... (Score:3, Funny)
Did Microsoft Consult? (Score:2)
Someone else suggested making the credit companies responsible for the losses. Personally, I think we should make the credit _reporting_ companies responsible. I guarantee you they will implement a reasonable security solution rather quickly if that happened. When they could end up paying for a $1
Band aid over an artery wound (Score:2)
That's going to happen about at the same time hell freezes over though, because it would mean no profits for the information thieves.
I have always thought this could be solved easier (Score:3, Insightful)
THEN you'd see some changes taking place. Instead of "oops, sorry" they'd be faced with saying "oops, here's six million for our mistake."
I mean, these guys own the system. They make money off us from their ownership of it. They should be responsible for securing it.
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I guess the majestic beauty of Alaska and the lovely Pacific Ocean surfing holidays really helps out people's perspectives. I recommend both to everyone. B)
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1234?!?!? That's the same as the code on my luggage!