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Detecting Tailgaters With Lasers 1136

stoolpigeon writes "Police in Arizona are using laser range finders to detect and ticket tailgaters. An officer can now measure not only the speed of passing vehicles but also how close they are to one another. The detectors described in the article are built by Laser Technology Inc., a company that provides lasers for traffic control, engineering, and even tactical/military solutions. The article mentions how tailgating is connected to many accidents and incidents of road rage; this observation fits my experience."
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Detecting Tailgaters With Lasers

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  • Moo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Chacham ( 981 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @04:51PM (#17104138) Homepage Journal
    It seems like they could spend money on so many different things. . . . They need to catch speeders more than tailgaters."

    Umm, no. Tailgaters are worse. There can be a smart speeder. There is no such thing as smart tailgater. Becauses, it is not speeding that causes accidents, it's the person speeding needs to take extra caution. It can be done, even if it usually is not. Tailgating in-and-of-itself is dangerous.

    "I've seen people at 0.04 seconds. That is less than half a second," he said.

    Talk about enlightening comments. :)

    Some of the comments there say that someone else will just pull ahead of you. Ahem, they will then get tickets. That's the point. Then they complain that they're close for a minute and get tickets, well, this complaint and the first complaint are opposites.

    I hope these tickets work. Next we can take on gawkers.
  • Re:Moo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by plover ( 150551 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:04PM (#17105172) Homepage Journal
    Well, if they're going to tag people for tailgating, I want them to issue tickets to the clowns going less than the speed limit in the left lane, too; and those who speed up as you attempt to pass them.

    I think the best way to reduce road rage is to eliminate the butt-heads who get in my way :-)

  • Re:Tailgating (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:22PM (#17105396)
    Like they say, there are only two types of drivers:

    The assholes in front of you, and the assholes behind you.
  • Re:Moo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by UbuntuDupe ( 970646 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:23PM (#17105412) Journal
    What bothers me more than tailgaters is tailgaters who avoid EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO PASS YOU, even when there is another lane going the same direction. If they're tailgating when there's no chance to pass, okay, they're annoying me, but I at least understand their position. If they're tailgating me while passing up every opportunity to pass, WTF?
  • by antifoidulus ( 807088 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:25PM (#17105446) Homepage Journal
    They can just ban the SUV. No fancy lasers needed.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:25PM (#17105460)
    The speed limit is the same for BOTH lanes of the road. And "the appropriate 10 mph+ over the speed limit" is a bunch of crap. The only APPROPRIATE speed is to follow the limit as given.

    Let up on the accelerator there lead-foot.
  • What I hate... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by IflyRC ( 956454 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:27PM (#17105496)
    I try to be a safe driver. So, I drive with the intention of leaving a couple of car lengths between me and the car in front. What happens? Someone sees that as an invitation to merge on over!! Next thing I know my "safe space" is down to inches. Best thing to do then...I upset the guy behind me and slow down opening up more of a gap trying to manage between not letting someone over and making sure I have some room to stop.

  • Re:Tailgating (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fm6 ( 162816 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:27PM (#17105500) Homepage Journal

    My idea was a flashing neon sign that says, "back off!"

    Problem is, everybody thinks they're a perfect driver, and get very weird when anybody tries to tell them otherwise. Hence all the road rage incidents connected to tailgating.

    My strategy is to slow down, but subtly, so they don't register that I'm pissed at them. I don't even brake, I just don't push the accelerator as hard as a normally do. Invariably the tailgater gets impatient and passes, without registering any change in my driving.

    It is, of course, frustrating to see bad driving and not be able to communicate your concerns to the other driver. But frustration is better than being targeted by a psycho.

  • Re:Moo (Score:2, Insightful)

    by UbuntuDupe ( 970646 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:31PM (#17105594) Journal
    I also hate people who add baseless assumptions to my post in order to make me look stupid.
  • Re:Moo (Score:2, Insightful)

    by QuesarVII ( 904243 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:32PM (#17105600)
    I agree completely!

    People don't tailgate just for fun (at least not most of them)! I feel that if the car in front of me can get the hell out of my way, then the driver is obligated to. Tailgating someone when they have no where else to go is pointless and rude too though.

    I don't know how many nights I've driven home on our local 2 lane highway, seeing 2 cars driving side by side at the speed limit or just below, with dozens of cars lined up behind them wanting to pass. The front person in the left lane really should be ticketed for impeding traffic. If not for these bozos driving like morons, traffic would flow smoother, and there would be far less road rage.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pilgrim23 ( 716938 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:37PM (#17105664)
    Somehow safety and the issuance of tickets are related? Tickets are primarily a revenue generation system. Any traffic improvement is a mere secondary consideration. If this laser device costs X then ticket generation will increase till the moneys generated are at least X times 10. Then and only then will the program be deemed a success.
  • by benhocking ( 724439 ) <benjaminhocking@nOsPAm.yahoo.com> on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:40PM (#17105718) Homepage Journal
    Take the number of people driving below the speed limit to the number of people who are tailgating. My estimate is that this ratio is about 1:5000.
  • by gumpish ( 682245 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:42PM (#17105744) Journal
    On divided highways, tailgating rules should not be enforced in the fast lane if the state law requires slower traffic to keep right. In such cases, people holding up traffic in the fast lane should be pulled over and cited.

    In all other cases though, I support the enforcement of laws against tailgating.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:2, Insightful)

    by markov_chain ( 202465 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:47PM (#17105824)
    This is why you always always always have to pay attention. Assume the car approaching from behind will not stop. You probably could have avoided that accident.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:5, Insightful)

    by wealthychef ( 584778 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:54PM (#17105948)
    A better strategy is to just vary your speed by +/- 2 MPH in a continuous cycle. Then even if they don't pass, they have to give you more room. Try it. :-)
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:4, Insightful)

    by EvilMagnus ( 32878 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @06:59PM (#17106010)
    How? By running the red light and T-boning crossing traffic? Or by ploughing through the pedestrians on the cross-walk?
  • by FrostyWheaton ( 263146 ) <mark.frost@gmailMOSCOW.com minus city> on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:00PM (#17106022) Homepage
    You are NOT obeying the law if your state has a 'Keep right except to pass' type law on the books. Illinois, for instance, is one of those states.

    So, either keep out of Illinois or take off that stupid paper hat, get off your high hobby-horse and get your sorry slavish-speed-limit-obeying butt into the right lane.

  • Re:Moo (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Moofie ( 22272 ) <lee AT ringofsaturn DOT com> on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:01PM (#17106040) Homepage
    Um, maybe you're just a driver that can't drive at speed safely. What leads you to believe that you are the benchmark for the rest of humanity?

    I'm not saying that speeding can be done safely, but I'm also not arguing that just because I can't do it, it can't be done.
  • Re:Moo (Score:3, Insightful)

    by the phantom ( 107624 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:02PM (#17106082) Homepage
    Honestly, I think it depends upon the situation. On I-80 between Reno and Salt Lake City, there is not a huge amount of traffic, high visibility, and very shallow turns. Twenty years ago, the speed limit along that strech of road was 60 miles per hour. Would it have been unsafe to go faster than that 20 years ago? What about now, when the speed limit is 75? Certainly, there is a danger to speeding, but driving over the limit is not necessarily that danger. The danger is in driving faster than the conditions allow. If the speed limit is 60, and everyone on the road is doing 60 (withing 5 MPH), then driving 90 is unsafe. So is driving 30, as other drivers will not be expecting such a slow vehical, and might be on top of you before they are aware of how slow you are going.

    Now, you have also stated that the effects of an accident while driving while speeding are worse. This is a slight misstatement of the facts, I think. The problem, again, is not that a person is speeding, but that they are involved in an accident while going fast. I could be abiding by the speed limit, and going 75, and any potential accident would be just as bad as if I were going 75 in a 60 MPH zone. The same is true about reaction times -- I have just as much time to react if I am 15 over the limit in a 60 zone as I do if I am driving the limit in a 75 zone.

    In city driving, I would agree that going over the speed limit is generally dangerous -- the speed limits tend to be lower because there are more cars, more pedestrians, more intersections, and, in general, more potential for problems. However, on the open highway, I don't think that speeding is the problem, so much as going at a vastly different speed than everyone else on the road.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:2, Insightful)

    by belmolis ( 702863 ) <billposer.alum@mit@edu> on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:03PM (#17106096) Homepage

    A completely unjustified assertion. It's funny how the offenses for which tickets are issued are for things that are dangerous, not randomly chosen things that would generate revenue. Quite a coincidence. Whenever I see this claim, I assume that the author is a poor driver in denial.

  • Re:Tailgating (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Crunchie Frog ( 791929 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:07PM (#17106160)
    Mod -1: Asshole. You are the problem.
  • My nutty idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by tkrotchko ( 124118 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:10PM (#17106206) Homepage
    When I run into a tailgater, I (... and don't criticize me if this seems wacked out or dangerous) I pull to another lane. Then they go on by.

    And if I'm on a road that is 2 lanes, and I get a guy 2 inches from my bumper I (... get this...) I pull off the road for two seconds as soon as I can and let some other person deal with them as they rush on past..

    Seriously, I want to concentrate on driving, not whether some nutball in back of me is going to slip up and ram into me because he's got anger management issues.

    To my way of thinking, guys who slow down in front of tailgaters have the same mentality as the tailgaters, they only express it differently.
  • Re:Moo (Score:2, Insightful)

    by belmolis ( 702863 ) <billposer.alum@mit@edu> on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:15PM (#17106288) Homepage

    I hate to tell you this, but 35 in a 45 zone is not impeding traffic. 45 is the absolute limit under optimal conditions. If it is dark or foggy or raining heavily or snowing or for some other reason visibility is less than perfect, driving slower than the limit may well be highly desirable. Similarly if the road is wet or icy or covered with debris. Maybe the guy ahead of you has noticed some other factor that you can't see or haven't noticed, such as kids playing close to the road who look likely to run out into it or a vehicle broken down up ahead. Maybe the driver is not feeling well and does not feel safe at full speed. (In the long run, if this persists, yes, he should get off the road, but sometimes you suddenly feel sick, or you need to get to the doctor or a motel or find a safe place to pull over.) Maybe the driver is concerned about a problem with his vehicle. There are lots of reasons to drive less than the speed limit. People who think that the speed limit is a minimum are a problem.

  • by xantho ( 14741 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:16PM (#17106316)
    Don't use the 3 second rule. Use the 'shitload' or 'whole fucking lot' rule instead.

    Leave space like civil engineers use more beams and supports. Way overdo it, and let all the careless or crazy drivers be the ones to cause accidents.
  • Who's the asshole? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LunaticTippy ( 872397 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:22PM (#17106416)
    Do you think all the other people behind you who weren't tailgating deserved to be punished too?

    Driving doesn't have to be about making the other fucker pay. That attitude is why I hate driving so much. It even affects me sometimes. I've had that angry feeling boil up and done stupid things several times, but I'm not proud of it. The thing I'm least proud of is the tailgater who got me so angry/scared that I popped down a gear causing him to rear-end me. Yeah, he totalled an expensive car and was 100% "at fault" but I felt kinda bad about it. I do wonder if he still tailgates so badly.
  • by 45mm ( 970995 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:24PM (#17106442)
    Good points. But it's not the "fast lane" ... it's the "passing lane". If you're not passing in the "passing lane", you're obstructing the right of way ... this is a traffic violation in most states, regardless of speed.
  • by rednip ( 186217 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:27PM (#17106480) Journal

    For the nose-sitters, they're often of the variety that first tailgates, and when they finally do pass they will just pull up close in front of you.

    I call them weavers, they weave in and out of traffic as if it's a NASCAR race. I try not to give them enough space to pull out in front of me. Often I reduce my normal two car-length gap to one when I see one approaching. It's not hard to see one coming up from behind, but the ones who are already in the right lane are hard to judge. However the guy who is tailgating a 'slow' moving car in the right lane is usually a weaver who tried to exploit a gap in the right lane and got trapped there. My general rule is (unless there is a left hand exit), I don't allow people to get in front of me, from the right hand lane, but I do allow it from the left lane, if there is no real space behind me.

    Also, I've seen plenty of 'weavers' turn into pacers (and stay steady with the car to the right) when they get to the front of the pack, as it seems that their biggest concern isn't keeping a good speed, but being 'first'.

  • Re:My nutty idea (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Jherek Carnelian ( 831679 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:29PM (#17106514)
    Seriously, I want to concentrate on driving, not whether some nutball in back of me is going to slip up and ram into me because he's got anger management issues.

    Bingo.

    Safe driving is not just about avoiding accidents, more importantly it is about avoiding dangerous situations.
  • Re:Moo (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Shadow99_1 ( 86250 ) <theshadow99 AT gmail DOT com> on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:35PM (#17106604)
    This would be true if it was still 1970... But I can tell you now I generally follow the '+10 MPH in good wheather', 'Speed limit in rain/fog/other minor wheather', and '-10 MPH in snow'. It almost always works out to optimize my speed for conditions. Most speed limits haven't been changed since at least 1970 (and often 1940's or 50's), yet cars have improved drastically since then... Why are we still driving as if it was 1950 or 1970? Because the government wants to be able to enforce existing laws to recive increased revenue from people doing what makes more sense... Aka driving faster than rated 'speed limit' speeds. Of course they harp 'safety' as why they refuse to change limits, but cases of speeding increase and have increased since the mid-1970's because the 'old' speed limits are seen as more and more outdated...

    That said I know plenty of people who shouldn't drive because they aren't safe at any speed... But driving 30 mph (in what is now a 55 mph zone) wouldn't help them at all...

    I should also point out my simple +10 mph is often considered to slow by truly reckless drivers who often go +20 or +30 mph over the speed limit, change lanes without looking, switch lanes without signals, and a variety of far more dangerous habits...
  • Ignorance... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ksattic ( 803397 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:38PM (#17106640)
    Your ignorance astounds me, but I won't let it bother me. I'll exercise the right I have in Colorado to pass on the right to get past you. Many people here insist on driving in the fast lane 5-10mph below the limit because it's easier for them - they don't have to deal with people entering the highway in the right-most lane.

    Even though it may be legal in your state to drive at the speed limit in the left lane, it's not clever. If you are doing it solely to annoy other drivers, then you do not deserve to have a licence. You are a danger and a nuisance.

    To correct you, the fast lane is for overtaking, and is an additional lane to use when the others become full. That is all. You have no business being there if the other lanes to the right of you are empty.
  • by tilandal ( 1004811 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:41PM (#17106682)
    You can take a bus, plane, taxi or just walk. Driving is not a right.
  • by Chris Burke ( 6130 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:43PM (#17106718) Homepage
    Actually according to the law of several states (MI, TX, and MD to my knowledge), the only APPROPRIATE speed is to go with the flow of traffic -- even if traffic is going over the speed limit! It is drastic deviations from the speed at which traffic is moving that cause the most problems. You should be going the speed limit, but if the limit is 65 and everyone else is going 90 you will only be making things worse by staying at 65. Actually, when I was in MD I travelled a stretch of highway where this was exactly the case. Nobody did less than 80 MPH, the middle lane was 90 and the left lane was for those who wanted to go fast. Sticking to the speed limit would have been insanely stupid, and any fool tootling along muttering "well I'm obeying the law" was, in fact, wrong. And dangerous.

  • by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:45PM (#17106754)

    The correct answer is also (e): if you're in the fast lane, move the fuck over and get out of the way!

    At least around here, I'd say the single biggest traffic problem is caused by people forgetting this.

  • Nahhh. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Bluesman ( 104513 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:49PM (#17106820) Homepage
    Just start ticketing people who brake for no reason on the highway.

    In fact, there's hardly ever a reason to brake on the highway.

    If you have to brake on the highway, either you did something wrong, or the person ahead of you did.

  • by the_wishbone ( 1018542 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:56PM (#17106970)
    You should say "Ban dumb drivers." Dumb drivers drive all types of vehicles, banning SUV's is not a realistic solution. If you want to make the roads safer, it's about education - not only classroom type stuff but extensive defensive driving education involving real driving. I've been in classes that simulate your tires locking up, your rear end spinning forward, teach you how to safely fall into a ditch (by having you ACTUALLY DO IT), teach you what to do in case of a blowout, teach you what to do when you hydroplane (yes, they sprayed the tarmac with water and actually made you hydroplane) and teach you how to get back on road from a shoulder safely without losing control due to your tires suddenly hitting pavement. Doing this kinda stuff helps you react a lot better when it actually happens (I've found that out firsthand).
     
    If everyone went through this type of education you bet we'd all be better off. Instead, we put little Susie through a short class, have her take a test, then drive around for an hour, and hand her a driver's license. A sixteen year old girl who just got her license but drives a Civic is far more dangerous than a grown man with years of driving experience in many types of situations, who is driving an SUV.
     
    I drive an SUV. I like to be able to COMFORTABLY carry five people, even on long trips. I like being able to put two mountain bikes inside. I like to offroad as a hobby about once a month, I like to go camping in remote places only accessible to 4x4's. All in all, I STILL use less gas than most people because I live three miles from work. Stop assuming that your needs and habits are the same as everyone else's, and people with SUV's are just wasting gas and making the roads unsafe.
  • Re:Moo (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 04, 2006 @07:57PM (#17106978)
    I feel that if the car in front of me can get the hell out of my way, then the driver is obligated to.

    Tailgating is rude, dangerous and illegal. What me to get the hell out of the way? Slow the fuck down and back off. I'll get out of your way when it's safe to do so.

    The safety of me and my family is much is more important then your need-to-speed. It's not your private racetrack.

    And plus, I'll see you at the next stoplight.

    I never purposely try to block somebody in-- it's not worth the aggravation and negative emotions. In the end, you feel angry, your life is shorter by a few minutes/hours/days and nothing was achieved, so why do it?

    However, if a driver comes up and tailgates me, as if to ask 'get the hell out of my way', I'm not going capitulate to their demands and sacrifice my family's safety. I'm not going to speed up or cut off some other driver simply because the tailgater wants to go faster.

    Usually this situation happens when I'm passing a slower driver on a 2 way freeway (Such as hwy 101 or I5 in California). As I am passing, a speeder comes up and rides on my ass, which I perceive as 1) They are a rude ass, or 2) they are on autopilot and aren't paying good attention.
  • by networkBoy ( 774728 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:05PM (#17107080) Journal
    So you were the asshole giving everyone cuts? :-)
    "I've seen people at 0.04 seconds. That is less than half a second," he said.

    That was a gem. No shit 4 hundredths of a second is less than half a second. I really hope that was a typo and was meant to be 0.4, even then no shit on the math part.
    -nB
  • by Stiletto ( 12066 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:09PM (#17107150)
    I'm going to be the contrarian here. Most tailgaters I see (including myself, of course) have legitimate gripes. If you have nobody in front of you and a queue of cars behind you, chances are you are going too slow!

    I always try to be aware of my surroundings, including looking in the rear-view mirror. If I'm in the left lane and there is someone approaching from the rear, it's easier and safer to reserve moral judgement about their character and do the smart thing--pull to the right at the earliest possible opportunity and let him overtake me. Why can't everyone manage to do that? See, when I happen to be the one in an unusual hurry, 9 times out of 10, the guy in front of me in the left lane is totally oblivious of my presence. To wake him up, I either have to drive dangerously close, pass on the right, or hit him with a few high-beam blasts. It's a no-win situation for both of us.

    Same with a single-lane road. If you simply must drive slow and enjoy the view, have the courtesy to pull to the shoulder when people approach who actually have a destination they are looking forward to reaching.

    Sure, there's the occasional idiot who gets in the left lane and tails everybody within inches, making them all pull over one by one, but these tailgaters are in the minority.

    Please hang up the phone, be aware of your surroundings (especially the people behind you), and keep up with the flow of traffic. In short, drivers should be participants, not obstacles.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:5, Insightful)

    by R3d M3rcury ( 871886 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:16PM (#17107250) Journal
    Did you ever notice that people driving slower than you are idiots and that people driving faster than you are maniacs?
  • Re:Moo (Score:3, Insightful)

    by dircha ( 893383 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:18PM (#17107288)
    "I hate to tell you this, but 35 in a 45 zone is not impeding traffic. 45 is the absolute limit under optimal conditions."

    And I hate to tell you this, but apart from emergencies and hazardous weather, if you can not safely drive faster than 35 in a 45, you should not be on the road. It's as simple as that. With the technology in modern vehicles, if you, presumably a fully functioning adult human being can not drive 45 in a 45, not only are you a nuissance, you are a risk to the lives of other drivers on the road.

    If you must drive, in the interests of safety I recommend you mark your car as a slow moving vehicle following the regulations in your jurisdication for the transportation of implements of hubandry.

    Have you considered arranging for transporation? If you feel that you can not safely operate a motor vehicle, there are public and private services available in most areas to help you meet your transportation needs. A good place to get started would be a local nursing home or retirement housing complex.

    The exceptions are not the rule.
  • by adamjaskie ( 310474 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:30PM (#17107400) Homepage
    My reaction would be: am I in the far outside lane, which is where I should be if I am not passing? If so, I should do nothing; keep driving in the same lane and at the same speed. He can switch lanes and pass. If not, I should move over and let him pass. I should keep to the outside, as I am the slower traffic.
  • by adamjaskie ( 310474 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:34PM (#17107438) Homepage
    The "slow lane" is for people who aren't actively passing people. The "fast lane" should more appropriately be called the "passing lane", and is for people who are passing. They should move over, pass, and get back into the "slow lane" until they catch up to the next person that is driving slower than them.
  • by Irish_Samurai ( 224931 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:38PM (#17107490)
    Also, I've seen plenty of 'weavers' turn into pacers (and stay steady with the car to the right) when they get to the front of the pack, as it seems that their biggest concern isn't keeping a good speed, but being 'first'.

    I do this (American btw), and I usually stick to the right 2 lanes to do it. My goal isn't to be first - it's to have the most options available in front of me. I don't like sitting in someones blind spot, I also don't like properly pacing my lane and getting trapped in by your "weavers".

    If being out front means having more response options available to you - then I'm out front.
  • by cas_edi ( 970079 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:38PM (#17107502)

    Most of these "Tailgaters" are tailgating ppl driving in the "passing lane". They really need to start ticketing these people then the tailgaters will not exist.

    totally agree with this - here in the UK there seems to be a serious lack of understanding about the basics of motorway driving that creates a lot of the traffic problems and road rage.
    i could go into a long rant but thought it better to share the link to the Association of British Drivers that has an excellent resource about these kind of issues: http://www.abd.org.uk/ [abd.org.uk]
  • by charlesbakerharris ( 623282 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @08:43PM (#17107566)
    A split-second flash of the lights is hardly blinding. I never said anything about leaving the brights on, and that's not something I do, or recommend.

    Besides, not only is the de facto speed limit the relevant one, but furthermore, people who are driving more slowly in the left lane than cars passing them in the right lane are the ones who are the issue - and I'll promise you that those drivers are doing the wrong thing, according to a very similar question from the driver's handbook.

  • by arevos ( 659374 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @09:01PM (#17107780) Homepage
    I wonder what the UK rules are when you're that person trying to overtake someone doing the speed limit.

    If they're doing the speed limit, why would you need to overtake them?

  • Re:Tailgating (Score:3, Insightful)

    by pluther ( 647209 ) <pluther@@@usa...net> on Monday December 04, 2006 @09:01PM (#17107788) Homepage
    Did you ever notice that people driving slower than you are idiots and that people driving faster than you are maniacs?

    I have noticed that.
    But, fortunately, about 99% of the people on the highway with me tend to be driving at about the same speed.

  • Re:Moo (Score:5, Insightful)

    by theLOUDroom ( 556455 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @09:12PM (#17107890)
    45 is the absolute limit under optimal conditions.

    Bullshit. 45 is just a number they picked. Most speed limits in the US are not chosen to be the maximum safe speed. (And it should be obvious the anyone who's not a total moron that the maximum safe speed for a Corvette and a double-trailer semi are going to be VERY different numbers.)

    There are lots of reasons to drive less than the speed limit.

    Yes, and most of them mean either:
    A) You're not paying attention and are therefore dangerous.
    B) Your ability to drive is impaired and are therefore dangerous.


    Sure there are some exceptions, pulling a trailer up a big hill for example, but the vast majority of the time it's some jackass talking on their cellphone. Do everyone a favor, if you just *feel* like driving slow, pull over every once in a while and let that huge line of cars by you. (It's really the only safe way to get rid of tailgaters anyways.)
  • by nolife ( 233813 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @09:13PM (#17107902) Homepage Journal
    Here's an idea, let the weavers assholes be themselves. Why would you purposely close the gap or actively prevent someone from getting in front of you? If you are driving too slow for them, let them be in front of you and eventually they will do it to someone else and be gone and you can go about your own business and not have to worry about them at all.
    I've often wondered why people play that gap closing game myself. If someone whats to weave in and out of traffic, let them go, as others have stated, in heavy traffic, it is not an effective means of making better progress anyway. You may feel they are being unsafe and maybe this is your chance to exercise your 4000LB weight around too as an equalizer? Closing a gap and disrupting the flow of a weavers is NOT safe either. If you want to play it safe, maintain your existing speed and gap and let the weaver go about his business. The weaver is not being as safe as he could be but closing the gap is not the safest thing you could do either.

    On that note... I live on a corner with a hidden intersection on a semi rural 2 lane state road. I see people pull out in front of cars all the time. One time a car pulled out in front of someone and that someone slammed on his brakes and laid on the horn until he came to a complete stop. After he came to a stop, he started yelling at the other person that pulled out in front of him as that person was driving by him in the other direction, the need for a complete stop was completely unnecessary. Hey, shit happens, get over it. Well now that he was at a complete stop and half way around a hidden corner and attempting to make his point known to a car that was no longer within hearing distance, he got rear ended by a third car coming up behind him on that hidden bend. Okay, technically he was not at fault because he got rear ended but his blatant actions had put himself in a very unsafe situation regardless of what the law states. I see a lot of people trying to be "safe" and educate other drivers on the road but in reality, they are being unsafe themselves. Just like the guy that hits his brakes when someone is tailing him. If you don't want to be tailed, move the hell over. I know a car is a big powerful glob of various metals and plastics but using that psychological power to force your driving ethics on others is NOT safe. Considering that the person is not going to change their habits because of your gap closing you have absolutely NOTHING to gain. Gee, I've been driving like a weaver for 20 years and today someone closed the gap on me. I learned a lesson and I am never going to be a weave again!
  • by kimvette ( 919543 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @09:18PM (#17107952) Homepage Journal
    No kidding. I'm a Masshole and I find driving around here frustrating because on the highway any time around rush hour, driving courteously and leaving sufficient following space is just license for three other cars to cut in front of you. :( I would love to move out of this state to somewhere in the midwest where people are at least slightly more courteous.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Zex_Suik ( 951570 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @09:27PM (#17108072) Homepage
    Jerk, the PRIME reason you are being tailgated is because you are driving slower than them. Reasons to tailgate: --You are too slow in the fast lane (slower traffic keep right) --You are directly responsible for not allowing them to pass (rolling roadblock) --You pulled out in front of them and did not accelerate reasonably (you cut them off!) --You changed lanes in front of them without checking THEIR speed, and for no apparent reason --You are talking on your cellphone or to your passenger and have no idea what you are doing. It is not about CONTROL people, everyone wants to get to where they want to go, so just let them pass, give them some room, it's not that hard. Also do not do the +/-mph thing, use a steady rate of speed, it makes you more predictable and safer to be around. Also I live in AZ, first time I've heard of this and it is ridiculous. We have 'snow birds' here. Retirees that come here in the winter from the colder weather and our traffic is fcked up for months, it is very irritating especially when they do anything in the list above.
  • by rednip ( 186217 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @09:36PM (#17108152) Journal

    If being out front means having more response options available to you - then I'm out front.

    Except for breaking, as all the cars are stacked up behind you, perhaps many of then tailgating each other, sure in a pile up you'd have the 'best' chance of surviving, unless a semi plows through the lot of you. Besides, we really do see you blocking up traffic, and I'll bet that you've seen more than a few people pull out in front aggressively, it's not 'random' you've pissed them off for the last 5 miles. Classic deadly Road Rage is most often a response to poor/inconsiderate driving such as yours, the left hand lane is the 'passing lane' which means one should never 'keep pace' with a car to their right. Stacking up traffic behind you is a pile-up waiting to happen, sure you 'might' not be involved, but other drivers feel this danger, and will then act aggressively against you when they can. Some fearful people cocoon to threats, others swing out in rage. Ironically, it's likely you see it as 'they did not see your car, further reinforcing your 'rule', however it's a wonder you have gotten shot yet.

    Personally, I get a little 'spooked' when some does try to pace me, in particular the 'open' highway, if something like a deer runs into the road, it likely that we'll both try to avoid it by a combination of steering and breaking, and what are the chances that we'll do that at the same pace? I try my best to stay at a steady 10 mph over, moving over to the right to let faster drivers pass, and when I know that I won't be trapped in the right hand lane. Unlike others I really don't mind someone else passing me, but if I pass them again, I try not to let them ahead of me again.

  • Re:Moo (Score:2, Insightful)

    by belmolis ( 702863 ) <billposer.alum@mit@edu> on Monday December 04, 2006 @09:48PM (#17108252) Homepage

    Hmm. Let's see. I point out that there are a wide variety of hazardous conditions, such as darkness, fog, and ice, in which it isn't safe to drive at the speed limit. You then whine about how I'm some sort of defective who shouldn't be allowed on the roads if I can't drive the speed limit in non-hazardous conditions, in others, in precisely the complement of the conditions I cited. In other words, you have stated no rational objection to anything I have said and have no foundation for your gratuitous insults.

  • by The Last Gunslinger ( 827632 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @10:01PM (#17108382)
    ...it's either idiots who were never properly instructed on driving/passing etiquette, or assholes who just refuse to get the fuck out of the way.

    Lesson 1: The leftmost lane is for passing. All those signs on the freeways that read SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT weren't painted and posted for your edification...they're the law. When you just drive along in this lane, you are just as guilty of criminal activity as someone exceeding the posted speed limit.

    Lesson 2: Someone blipping their high beams a couple times as they approach you is NOT being a prick. They're politely informing you in the most expeditious manner available (it's not like they can walk up and tap on your window, you know) that you are obstructing the flow of traffic.

    The fact that they had to flash their lights at you in the first place is a testament against you. It means that you either didn't have enough situational awareness to spot their approach before they flashed you, or that you saw them coming and (for whatever reason) you decided that you weren't going to move aside. At this point, you're looking like an idiot, or a prick, or both.

    So, what to do now? The ball is in your court...either speed up or move aside and let them pass.

    I simply cannot understand why some people refuse to yield the way. You don't get brownie points for trying to prevent other drivers from speeding. Furthermore, you have absolutely NO idea what is motivating the driver behind you...there could be a medical emergency involved, and your prissy ass might be impeding their progress to a hospital. Why take the risk to yourself, your vehicle, and possibly others' lives? If you just get the fuck out of the way already, the tailgating "problem" disappears.

    Long rant cut short: there is NO SUCH THING as a tailgater. There are only pious, self-righteous assholes who refuse to get out of the way of people who have the audacity to move faster than them.
  • by rednip ( 186217 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @10:20PM (#17108488) Journal

    Why would you purposely close the gap or actively prevent someone from getting in front of you

    I don't stop people from passing me altogether, but when traffic is stacked up, the space between me and the car that I am following is the minimum space I like, a nice 'safe' two car-lengths (nearly three if I'm doing over 60). You weavers seem to think that is a invitation to make my 2 car lengths of space into a half a car(or less). Tell me how that is safer? I see it as a choice between 1 car-length behind a car which I 'know' or 1/2 behind some new driver. Unless there is a pacer in front of me it doesn't last long, and most know what I'm doing. If there is a pacer, I tend to just slow down as traffic will get dangerously stacked up, sometimes I'll even consider the next exit for a stop, as pacers are the trigger for most weavers.

    Despite my best effort sometime people do get into that space and I give them the proper space require in front of me, but it slows down traffic behind me, I can't tailgate them. Sometimes they still do get ahead of me, and since my primary job is to keep myself safe, I slow down by 5 mph, what's the difference, well, times that by the number of cars which they 'force' to give space. It slows down traffic, thus making more people more aggressive, and increasing the number of weavers. Have you ever wondered why on some road traffic is either going 70 mph or crawling along: Often it's the number of people switching lanes ahead of you, and others giving them the proper space that they need to be safer.

    Perhaps your breaking reactions are perfect, and you can perfectly time a car's speed, but the rest of us have two choices, either over-break, or slam into the other car. Also, you might not realize it yet, but some people who are put in a situation where they come to fear for their lives, react aggressively. Most people who commit deadly road rage acts are not the original offender, but someone who over-reacted to what they saw as a threat to their lives, it's actually a natural human response to a threat.

  • Re:Tailgating (Score:5, Insightful)

    by UbuntuDupe ( 970646 ) * on Monday December 04, 2006 @10:22PM (#17108498) Journal
    No, I haven't.

    You can drive slower than me and not be an idiot: don't hog the passing lane, don't match the speed of the drivers in the lanes who are right next to you (thus creating a wall), and be going at least 60 mph when you merge onto a freeway.

    You can drive much faster than me and not be a maniac: just take the first opportunity to go around me (I probably won't be in the left lane, or will quickly vacate it when I see your speed) rather than tailgate, and don't change lanes close enough to me such that I panic.

  • Re:Moo (Score:4, Insightful)

    by dbIII ( 701233 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @10:46PM (#17108668)
    Instead of just expressing my favourite profanity here at the person above's cluelessness and lack of experience I'll point out that if you don't know the road or don't know the vehicle well yet and don't know why it is a 45 you'll go slower, or if the road is wet, or if you are driving something with a high centre of gravity with crap brakes, tyres designed for other conditions (some 4WD tyres are crap on wet sealed roads) or other defects that were not there from design.

    Here's a story not unique and the poster above should have heard or seen several by now if they have grown up. I took a corner too fast on a mountain road under bad conditions while being tailgated - I should have known better and driven far less than the speed limit but I thought if I braked more the guy only two metres behind would slam into me. The fool behind me in that european sports car that could go quickly in those conditions didn't even stop to help or see if I was alive.

    Sometimes you have to take it slow - despite the smart arse comments ridiculing people above.

  • It's jerks like you that people hate when driving on the road.

    Flash your high beams right in someone's rear-view? That's dangerous. Drive "dangerously close"? How is that justifiable in any situation? Oh, but it's only to "wake him up".

    Try telling that to the cop that arrives on the scene of the rear-end accident that you just may have caused.

    Driving like a prick is never ok.

    That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 04, 2006 @11:26PM (#17108942)

    I tailgate only when someone pulls out in front of me.
    Two wrongs don't make a right.

    If I'm going 65 MPH down a two lane highway, and you pull out in front of me and decide to take your sweet time speeding up, then I'm going to ride your ass until either I can pass you, or until you get up to the speed I was doing.
    For god's sake, WHY? You're not getting anywhere any faster, the other car is still in front of you. All you're doing is being an asshole (whether or not the other car is driven by an asshole too is irrelevant), you're causing congestion (queues just wouldn't happen if people kept their distance), and you're increasing the risk for an accident (where YOU and YOUR car probably would take the worst damage).

    If something in front of you is moving slower than you are, then you ONLY have two acceptable options:
    1. SLOW DOWN to keep a safe distance
    or
    2. OVERTAKE

    The fact, or your opinion, that the object in front of you "really shouldn't be there or be moving at that slow speed" is totally irrelevant! If you're unable to accept and adapt to this, then you shouldn't be permitted to be on public roads.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:3, Insightful)

    by toddestan ( 632714 ) on Monday December 04, 2006 @11:31PM (#17108972)
    On the other hand, don't tailgate if you aren't in the passing lane (I get these morons quite a bit - I'm not in the passing lane, the passing lane can even be open, and they prefer to ride my bumper. I don't get it). If you have to be in the right hand lane because your exit is coming up, deal with it. Don't tailgate someone in the passing lane if there is another car in front of them moving at the same pace. There is nothing the car in front of you can do to move faster, and tailgating them is simply dangerous and stupid. Also, if someone is using the passing lane the way its intended, but a little slower than you would like, don't tailgate them, because they intend to move back over when they are done passing and you'll be on your way. Tailgating them just pisses them off, and accomplishes nothing.
  • by Zutroy Of Earth ( 114413 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @12:11AM (#17109198)
    I'll join in to say that nothing EVER justifies endangering the lives of the people in front of you! That's what you are doing when you tailgate, you leave no room for error, which can only end badly if the person in front of you needs to brake for some (hopefully) legitimate reason.

    I do agree that we all have to share the road, and that the left lane is for passing. I actually try my best to never be in a situation were someone will tailgate me when I pass (I don't do it for you, I do it for me). But on single-lane roads, I found that *whatever* the speed I drive, there is always going to be a tailgater waiting there for you. Always! Pull to the shoulder you say? That's even more dangerous most of the times! In low-traffic situations where it is not dangerous, you shouldn't have a hard time to pass me when I go the limit. Hell, I'd even slow down for you if it would help (but I know it doesn't).

    So please, respect my wish to drive the limit. You'll soon get an occasion to pass me (if you aren't one of those pansies who can't pass unless there is 10 miles of road free ahead of you), just bide your time a little. Sharing the road isn't just a mantra for those who drive slower. I feel your pain and I'll do my best within reason to let you get on your merry way.

    You know, if everyone drove the same limit, you know, a magical limit chosen by society somehow, then those problems would not arise. We could probably even cut cost on highways since we wouldn't need 4 lanes for passing cars :) .

    Z.
  • by willpall ( 632050 ) <pallwill-slashdot.yahoo@com> on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @12:43AM (#17109422)
    Flash your high beams right in someone's rear-view? That's dangerous.

    Actually, whenever someone behind me flashes their lights, and I am in the fast lane, then I take it as a request for me to switch to a more appropriate lane and allow them to pass. A request I always honor. Someone flashing their lights is a helluva lot less rude than them hanging on my ass, and gives me an opportunity to notice them (since I obviously didn't notice them the first place).

    The problem with people on the road today is that they always ascribe the worst possible attitude to others' actions. I interpret others' actions in the politest way possible.

    And no, a quick flash of the high beams is not dangerous, c'mon.

  • by alshithead ( 981606 ) * on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @12:46AM (#17109438)
    I did this once. I turned on my lights while letting up on the accelerator...no braking. This made my rear running lights come on and it appeared I was braking. The car behind me nearly lost it at 65 mph. They locked up their brakes. Upon reflection I decided that I didn't want my actions to cause the death of someone else even if they were being an asshole.
  • Re:Tailgating (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @01:06AM (#17109536)
    Reaction time implies that the driver is paying attention enough TO react. Many of them are too busy on the phone, eating, drinking, watching DVDs, playing with PDAs, notebooks, iPods, etc, to pay much attention to the act of driving.

    If you are in command of a multi-ton vehicle going down the road at 80mph, THAT should be the primary task.

    If the phone rings, let it ring. If it was important, the caller will call back later or leave a message.

    If a song you don't like comes on the radio, deal with it. Your life won't be the slightest bit less fun if you have to hear an extra song or commercial.

    If you can't eat and drive, put down the damn food. If you can't drink coffee and drive, drop the habit you addict.

    When crossing a railroad track, it's in your best interest to put down the damn phone, turn off the DVD, and look to see if you might be in danger of getting your butt run over by something that will hardly feel the bump when it hits your car.

    When coming up to a stop sign, stop you stupid idiot. Put down the phone. Push the brake pedal. Wait for the car to stop. This is easy. Try it. Warning: I do stop. Long and hard. If you tailgate, I drive slower and slower and stop longer and longer.

    Don't make me pullover and drop in behind you, unless you want to go deaf and blind. My car may look innocent but it packs the airhorn off a Freightliner and more foglights than are technically road-legal. And I use both.

  • Re:Moo (Score:3, Insightful)

    by identity0 ( 77976 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @01:31AM (#17109648) Journal
    Well, I hate to add to the self-righteous tone of this thread, but here goes...

    You are assuming that someone going 35 is physically incapable of going 45, instead of choosing to do so. There are any number of reasons why you would do this, from slowing down for a turn, unfamiliarity with the area, bicyclist or pedestrian along the road, blind curve, or just not being comfortable with the road - plenty of roads are badly maintained and kept.

    Only a fool would drive the maximum of the limit all the time, and assume that those who don't are "bad drivers".

    And how are you going to deal with tractors, construction equipment, or other slow vehicles allowed on the road?
  • by khallow ( 566160 ) on Tuesday December 05, 2006 @02:39AM (#17110008)

    Excellent troll. My take is that when it comes to assigning blame for a rear end collision, the tailgater will get it. And that's really the legal definition of what is safe or not. Ultimately, if you're following someone too closely, you're putting both of you in a dangerous situation and the law recognizes that.

    Furthermore, you have absolutely NO idea what is motivating the driver behind you...there could be a medical emergency involved, and your prissy ass might be impeding their progress to a hospital. Why take the risk to yourself, your vehicle, and possibly others' lives? If you just get the fuck out of the way already, the tailgating "problem" disappears.

    If it's a medical emergency, call an ambulance. Almost always faster and safer. And you don't have to worry about some nutcase taking you out just because you tailgated them or a cop pulling you over. Also there's your hazard lights. If I saw a car zooming down the highway with their hazard lights flashing, I'd get out of the way.

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