Danish, Western Websites Under Attack

caese writes "The BBC is reporting that almost 900 Danish websites have been defaced by crackers angry about the recent controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad. From the article: 'What is extraordinary for this Danish case is the speed in which the community united'. Another 1600 or so Western websites have been defaced by the same group. The defacements have ranged from condemnation of the cartoons to outright calls for violence."

Really offensive...

[grub]

These are not worth fighting over. [ed2k]

Re:Really offensive...

[Threni]

For a reasonable time-line of this issue, check out Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muham mad_cartoons_controversy [wikipedia.org]

Cartoons were previously published in Egypt, no pr

[putko]

The cartoons were published in Egypt, and there was no problem:

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boy cott-egypt.html [blogspot.com]

Anyone heard about this? Looks like there is a double-standard.

Re:Cartoons

[corbettw]

Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but they are angry cause they cartoons are depicting Muhammad as a terrorist among one of the cartoons correct?

Actually, that has little or nothing to do with it. They're pissed because someone drew a picture of Muhammad, which is forbidden in Islam (the reasoning being that if you start showing pictures of the prophet, that could lead to idolatry). So any kind of image of the prophet can be seen as a "graven image" and against the will of Allah. That by itself is a pretty reasonable view point, but killing people and destroying property over it is not.

Anti-semitism cartoons from Arabs news papers

[elfguy]

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm [tomgrossmedia.com]

Hypocrisy? Yes.

Re:All I Can Say Is...

[TopShelf]

Hey, no argument here! Like other posters have said, it's shocking to see that Muslims offended at the depiction of Mohammed linked to bombing and terrorism are responding to those charges by enlisting suicide bombers and offering a bounty [forbes.com] for the murder of the cartoonists.

Re:Let's see here...

[mi]

Cartoon is published that accuses my religion of supporting terrorism and violence.

Although that, no doubt, added heat to it, the main reason for the disapproval is the religious, nor merely cultural offense.

Picturing the Prophet in any way is offensive. Showing him smelling flowers, writing a poem, or getting married is strictly forbidden.

That's the dry theory. For the more entertaining practice, see this amusing editorial [yahoo.com].

Re:joke time

[corbettw]

Q: How do you know you're an ignorant shit?
A: When you can't tell the difference between extremists and true followers of a religion.

So, pray tell, who are the true followers of Islam? Cause if you read the Koran (I have, several times) it looks like the people killing other people just for disagreeing with them are the true followers. I'm not going to waste time with quotes from the Koran, there are plenty. Suffice to say, these people are doing exactly what their god and prophet told them to do.

Re:this has to stop

[bstadil]

or face becoming marginalized.

They already are. There is a good write-up about some of the problems they are facing in this weeks Economist Self Doomed to failure [economist.com]

Re:Flags burned

[smooth wombat]

Just makes more business for flagmakers.

Funny you should say that. Fark had a link to an article which found out where the people in the Gaza Strip got their hands on Danish flags so quickly. Turns out a businessman was selling them ($11 a flag).

In the article he mentions that he gets the Israeli flags which are regularly burned during protests from an Israeli merchant. Talk about capitalism!

Here's the Reuters link [alertnet.org] in question.

Re:joke time

[FooAtWFU]

Joke time? Well, the one about Stop, stop, we have run out of virgins! [humaneventsonline.com] was pretty danged funny, if you ask me...

Re:Cartoons

[dancingmad]

Put away the Bill O'Reiley book of big words.

Jihad is a religious struggle. The main jihad is within a Muslim, to do the right thing, both spirtually and through good works. There's one hadith says that a young man came to the Prophet and asked to join the Muslim armies and join the jihad. The Prophet told him to go take care of his mother, as that was the greater jihad.

Jihad doesn't mean killing and your definition is wrong. JIhad is a struggle, and no matter how much Faux News pours it down your throat, it won't make it true. Shame on you and shame on the mods who modded you up.

Re:Cartoons

[bigsmoke]

I started out the same way as you, but was also forced to look into what is actually taught by the Koran. In fact, the prophet taught and practiced the spreading of Islam by sword. Some excerpts from

Fight non-believers
9.123: O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

Kill non-believers
4.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Killing Idolaters
9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Smite the neck and cut fingertips of unbelievers
8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Threat of punishment for not going to war
9.38: O you who believe! What (excuse) have you that when it is said to you: Go forth in Allah's way, you should incline heavily to earth; are you contented with this world's life instead of the hereafter? But the provision of this world's life compared with the hereafter is but little.

9.39: If you do not go forth, He will chastise you with a painful chastisement and bring in your place a people other than you, and you will do Him no harm; and Allah has power over all things.

48.16: Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind: You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and if you turn back as you turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment.

There's much more [nowscape.com].

I know some muslims and I like all of them. I doubt if any of these self-proclaimed muslims have actually read the Koran though.

Why exactly did this happen?

[Roger Whittaker]

I find it sad that shallow and crude anti-Muslim comments are getting moderated "insightful" in this discussion: that in itself indicates what a mess we are in.

The Danish journalist (Flemming Rose) who commissioned these cartoons knew exactly what he was doing: he has more or less stated as much. There was a calculated intention to provoke, and it was successful.

Why should he have wanted to do this? It's been pointed out that Flemming Rose is an associate of, and has written approving about Daniel Pipes, the notorious Zionist neo-conservative figure who is behind the organisation http://www.campus-watch.org/ [campus-watch.org], which is attempting a McCarthy-type witch-hunt against people in US universities who don't share their views.

At a time when the United States is planning yet another war against a Muslim nation, the images of Muslims rioting over this matter have acted as powerful propaganda for that war.

See also: http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2006/02/danish-cartoo n-conspiracy.html [blogspot.com] and http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1 703501,00.html [guardian.co.uk] for a description of how the same newspaper rejected cartoons lampooning Jesus Christ.

I live in Denmark...

[spectrokid]

and would like to point out the one group of muslims which is NOT tearing down the house: those living in... Denmark. Not a single demonstration yet. They know what they have to lose. From the Cyber-angle: the foreign ministry is mounting a counter attack: arab-speaking danes are flooding chat-sites and sending SMS messages all over the middle east to try and counter the unbelievable crap which is spread this way. Chatsites right now are full with rumors that we are depicting the prophet as a pig, violently beating down demonstrations,burning the koran... So now we have government employees payed to counter-flood with more realistic descriptions of the situation in site .DK. Talk about cyber-warfare...

Re:Cartoons

[CaymanIslandCarpedie]

If there's anything that this is proving, it's that the crazies are not in the minority here. 500,000 people chanting "death to america, death to israel?"

You are very misinformed (which is admittedly not your fault as the US news it trying to make it sound exactly like the way you are taking it). This "demonstration against the cartoons" is actually just an annaul holy event. You go there next year, you'll see roughly the same number of people marching there. Its just that some of the Islamic radical leaders are getting up in front of this crowd and railing against the cartoons and shouting things like "death to America".

Of course a headline saying "1/2 Million Muslims attend demonstration chanting 'death to America'" sounds much more exciting than "Annual Shia religious event draws 1/2 million where a few radical leaders condem America". I'll let you guess which one American news organizations (I use that term loosely) will lead the evening news with.

Re:Cartoons

[Minwee]

"One wonders where to find the Muslim mobs shouting "Down with Al-Qaeda! Down with terrorism! Stop killing innocent people in the name of Islam, because YOU are profaning the very name of Islam. Stop ridiculing the name of the Prophet in the eyes of the world by claiming that murder is part of Islam!""

Um... They're here [muhajabah.com]. And here [cair-net.org]. And here and here [masnet.org] and here [baheyeldin.com] and here [americanmuslimwoman.com] and here [jannah.org] and even here [cbsnews.com] and, oh, there are a few hundred more here [muhajabah.com].

Muslim leaders around the world have issued fatwa after fatwa condemning terrorism and calling for an end to suicide bombings, car bombings, bus bombs, subway bombs, and every other bombing short of another Uwe Boll film. Just because Bill O'Reilly doesn't tell you about it doesn't mean that is never happened.

Re:Cartoons

[radish]

Where are the clerics denouncing the suicide bombers and those who send them?

Well, here [bbc.co.uk] are some and here [bbc.co.uk] are some more. The latter is particularly telling, it contains quotes from a group of over 500 clerics in the UK shortly after the London bombings:

"On behalf of over 500 clerics, scholars and Imams the British Muslim Forum issues the following religious decree:

Islam strictly, strongly and severely condemns the use of violence and the destruction of innocent lives.

There is neither place nor justification in Islam for extremism, fanaticism or terrorism. Suicide bombings, which killed and injured innocent people in London, are haram - vehemently prohibited in Islam, and those who committed these barbaric acts in London are criminals not martyrs.

Such acts, as perpetrated in London, are crimes against all of humanity and contrary to the teachings of Islam.

The Holy Koran declares:

"Whoever kills a human being, then it is as though he has killed all mankind; and whoever saves a human life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Koran, Surah al-Maidah (5), verse 32).

Islam teaches us to be caring towards all of Allah's (God's) creation, not just mankind. The Prophet of Islam who was described as "a mercy to the worlds" said: "All creation is the family of Allah and that person is most beloved to Allah who is kind and caring towards His family."

Islam's position is clear and unequivocal: murder of one soul is the murder of the whole of humanity; he who shows no respect for human life is an enemy of humanity.

We pray for the defeat of extremism and terrorism in the world.

We pray for peace, security and harmony to triumph in multicultural Great Britain."

Re:Cartoons

[starm_]

Yeah its really time people rebel agains the big religions which are nothing but cults of death and violence. Let's see what we can find in the bible:

Gen.7:21-22
God drowns all children (except for Noah's) in a flood.

Gen.22:2
God tells Abraham to kill his son for a burnt offering.

Ex.12:30
God murders the Egyptian firstborn children.

Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21
Children who are disobedient, or who curse or strike their parents are to be killed.

Dt.20:16, Jos.10:40
God ordered the Israelites to kill all of the children in the cities that they invaded.

2 Sam.12:15, 18
To punish David for having Uriah killed, God kills David's newborn son.

2 Kg.2:23-24
God sends bears to kill 42 little boys for making fun of Elisha's bald head.

Jer.19:9
God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.

Ps.135:8, 136:10
God is praised for slaughtering little babies.

Ps.137:9
Happiness is smashing your little children against rocks.

Ezek.5:10
God will cause fathers to eat their sons and sons to eat their fathers.

Hos.9:16
God assures Hosea that he will "slay even the beloved fruit of the womb."

Hos.13:16
God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and "their women with child shall be ripped up."

Zech.13:3
A prophet must be killed by his own parents by "thrusting him through when he prophesieth."

--http://www.mykeru.com/weekly/2004_0118_0124.html #012304 [mykeru.com]

more here:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/shor t.html [skepticsan...dbible.com]

and here
http://www.goatstar.org/atrocities-committed-or-co mmanded-by-god/ [goatstar.org]

Re:All I Can Say Is...

[blamanj]

Actually, the reaction to "The Last Temptation of Christ" was a bit more than just picketing. Martin Scorsese recieved death threats [msn.com] and theatres that scheduled the film recieved bomb threats. Granted, no actual bombings occurred, but that might have been from lack of know-how rather than anything.

Also, when Terrance McNally's play "Corpus Christi" was booked for the Manhattan Theatre club, threats on McNally's life and a plot to firebomb the theatre forced cancellation of the play [zmag.org].

Re:Cartoons

[CowboyBob500]

They aren't. At least the Muslim Council Of Great Britain hasn't been silent about it. In fact when I heard their spokesman on the radio he was spitting feathers he was so angry about the demonstrators in London.

Maybe it's the fault of the media in certain countries that the moderate Muslim reaction isn't being sought or heard?

Bob

Re:Name one

[gowen]

Name one scripture in the Bible that would give an adherent cause to kill a non-believer.

How about Leviticus 24:16

"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death."

So, anyone who speaks out against God, or in favour of a different God -- stone the bastard.

Re:perhaps you should read the news

[nickos]

The point of the cartoons were to anger muslims.

No, the point was to see whether there is a free press in Denmark.

Re:Cartoons

[Thangodin]

Hmmmm... I saw the cartoons and they were a helluva lot milder than most cartoons featuring Christ and making fun of Christians. A couple of them are just straight drawings without any joke, and some of them don't even feature actual drawings of Mohammed. By Western standards for satire these cartoons were actually respectful.

As for being an attempt to generate publicity and sensationalism, no one even noticed the damn things until a propaganda campaign was launched in the middle east about a month ago which began with three drawings that were not in the newspaper, and whose source cannot be identified, but which were blatantly offensive. These are the drawings that have them rioting in the streets, but no one even knows where they came from!

Re:A Danies viewpoint

[deacon]

Thank you, "Danish Citizen", for making an argument which is so easy to refute. And thanks to the mods that made you visible!

We Begin:

published a number of cartoons depicting Mohammed in ways that can only have been meant to express contempt.

The cartoons themselves are here:

http://pajamasmedia.com/2006/02/mohammed_cartoons_ published_in.php [pajamasmedia.com]

They are the lamest bits of "contempt" westerners have ever seen.

Compare these images to the image "Piss Christ" (a crucifix in a jar of the "artists" urine)

http://instapundit.com/archives/028348.php [instapundit.com]

and then recall the non-issue it became.

To a moslem depicting the profet is totally forbidden, apparently, which the newspaper in question certainly knew;

Completely, proveably false!

Links to Pictures of the Big Mo thru history:

http://instapundit.com/archives/028427.php [instapundit.com]

also see:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.ht ml?id=110007934 [opinionjournal.com]

So, to sum it up: Denmark is festering in xenophobia and inflamed rhetoric; a newspaper decides to try to cash in on stirring up the shit and behave a spoiled brat; instead of being mature and apologize, the West is spiteful. Whatever one may think of the moslem world, this is simply not an honourable way to behave.

First of all, we should all be making a careful distinction between Islamo-Facists and "moslems".

I personally am an escapee from communist eastern europe, so I understand quite well that not all eastern europeans were communists.

Second of all, some of the cartoons created by the I-F are here:

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm [tomgrossmedia.com]

The thoughtfull reader can compare and contrast them with the cartoons of the Big Mo and decide who is stirring shit.

The reaction of the Islamo-Facist element fits in perfectly with this cartoon

http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/2006/01/isla m-is-poopy_21.html [blogspot.com]

Note: Cartoon is being pathetically censored by blogger.

Links to cartoons

[Anonymous Coward]

http://skender.be/supportdenmark/MohammedDrawings. jpg [skender.be]
http://www.antibuerokratieteam.de/wp-content/moham med_alle.jpg [antibuerokratieteam.de]
http://www.stefan-herre.de/mohammed_karikaturen.jp g [stefan-herre.de]
http://www.welt.de/z/photos/index.php/item/karikat uren/ [www.welt.de]
http://www.di2.nu/files/Muhammed_Cartoons_Jyllands _Posten.html [di2.nu]
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/28.htm [faithfreedom.org]
http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm [michellemalkin.com]
http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Jyll ands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg [wikimedia.org]

And some more links (page in Swedish):
http://www.flashback.se/showarticle.php?id=58 [flashback.se]

Re:very sad

[Anonymous Coward]

"But since the riots in Sydney over the lawful arrest and conviction of some criminals, how can anyone possibly defend Australians?"

The "riot" was mostly a small rabble of drunk youths and several loudmouthed neo-NAZIs attacking any Lebanese in reach. The media quoted the number "5 thousand" a lot because there were 5 thousand there to protest the racially motivated rapes and violence that has plagued the area. Few of the great many that turned up committed any violence, but the media likes to sensationalize stories.

The reason for the protest was the random pack-rapes and violence coming from a severely racist element among one or two ethnic minority groups. Did the international media even report this? 5 thousand Australians turning up to protest rapes should give you some idea of the severity of the issue. Having your family pack-raped is a lot more provocation than a dumb cartoon.

There has been real riots in my country with street battles, this was nothing in comparison. If there really had been 5 thousand rioters, it would have taken the army to subdue them, not some overweight cops with trunchens.

Danish Anti-Boycott

[truckaxle]

Does someone have a good list of Danish products so that one can counter the boycott? Saudia Arabia, Iran, Libya and others have announced a boycott of Danish products. This just fuels the extremist in their mission and attempts to intimidate. There should be support for the Danes in this affair.

Re:Cartoons

[Anonymous Coward]

Philip K Dickhead: Astroturfing Muslem apologizist.

Please join us for his next rant "Why Up is really Down"

Re:Danish Anti-Boycott

[klang]

There is a list here

http://buydanish.home.comcast.net/products.htm [comcast.net]

Re:Media not only to blame

[pbhj]

Did you know that those cartoons were re-prints. They had been published previously in Denmark, even in Egypt (in October 2005!), without the worldwide baying of "muslims" for blood.

See eg http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=487 46 [wnd.com]

If you ask me (which I know you were going to :0)> ) it is the Islamic states which are using the caricatures as a sort of reverse propaganda (perhaps it's a soviet thing?!?). "Look what you've done, these cartoons give us the right to murder a few people and burn a whole bundle of stuff down ...".

That's what it looks like to me.