No Anti-Virus in Vista

truthsearch writes "Microsoft will omit anti-virus protection in Vista, the next version of Windows. Redmond is promoting Vista as a landmark improvement in Windows security. Yet Jim Allchin also told CRN in a recent interview that there will be no anti-virus software. For unspecified business (not technical) reasons, Microsoft will sell anti-virus protection to consumers through its OneCare online backup and security service."

Re:So first virus in?

[Avohir]

about 4 months ago... [com.com]

Re:Religion is blind.

[Anonymous Coward]

If you are going to try and sound smart, at least spell correctly: du jour

Re:Sure

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, after playing with Norton for a little while, I tried to go back to *anything* else, but failed, because Norton has so thorougly infected my system that my only respite was wipe and reinstall.

Re:Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

[jacksonj04]

Umm... used Windows lately? As in a properly configured Windows?

The security model does that one already.

Re:Two possible reasons

[Kalecomm]

I spend, unfortunately a large amount of my time in DimWoes because of school, however, I have gotten Broadcom Wireless to work with the ndiswrapper and it seems to work very well. You should check the Ubuntu forums for specifics: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926 [ubuntuforums.org] Best Regards, Kalecomm

Re:Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

[zippthorne]

It isn't enough just to sandbox the viruses. It must also run the programs you DO want to run. A "properly" configured Windows box won't do that. There is plenty of blame to go around for that little feature.

Re:So let me get this straight...

[RzUpAnmsCwrds]

First of all, I don't know how you can call WVDDM + WPF + DCE 'not a new graphics engine'. New driver model, new GUI system, and a new window manager - seems new enough to me.

Second, Vista has a number of big new features:
- Brand new networking stack that is 100% IPv6 internally
- New ACPI subsystem including a hybrid STR/STD support, faster suspend/resume, and a more robust mechanism for dealing with bad drivers
- New audio subsystem with per-application mixing
- UAP support (not running as admin all the time) with automatic privelage elevation (with user approval) for installers and other programs that need admin access
- Major memory manager tweaks
- Kernel tweaks to improve streaming performance
- New programming framework (WinFX) based on .NET 2.0, WPF, and a host of other new technologies
- 3D accelerated UI / window manager
- New Media Center and Tablet PC features
- Fast User Switching on AD Domains
- Integrated AntiSpyware
- Integrated indexing / search (ala Spotlight) including extensive metadata and tagging support
- New Windows Media Player
- New version of IE with CSS fixes, phishing filter, tabbed browsing, native XMLHTTP, freform resize (ala Opera), and many security enhancements
- Support for auxiliry LCD displays (windows SideShow)
- New, faster install system (no more text-mode 'copying files')
- New Windows Installer version
- New printing system / PDF alternative (Metro)

So, in response to your question, basically everything.

Re:Damned if they do, Damned if they don't

[value_added]

Umm... used Windows lately? As in a properly configured Windows?

The security model does that one already.

Ever administered a Windows system? It's as easy as setting a umask of 022 and using chmod where needed, isn't it? And no issues with file ownership, right? By the time you've set group policies, right-clicked your way through the file system and mucked about in the registry, do find time to tell us more about this security model.

Or are you suggesting that a Windows user needs a security expert to reconfigure the default installation on their new Dell box to make it properly configured?

Sorry, but the parent comment about a sane security model is perfectly valid. My guess is that it'll take a few more tries for Windows to reinvent itself and resolve the tortured directory system with the concept of a path and give up on inventing new models. Chances are it'll resemble Unix.