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RetroCoder Threatens Security Vendors 157

john83 writes "RetroCoder the company that brings you SpyMon, a commercial keylogger is trying to stop vendors of security software from looking at their software. RetroCoder uses a EULA that prohibits anti-spyware publishers / software houses from downloading, running or examining the software in any way. Essentially, they're trying to hide a key logger behind copyright law." While they are certainly not the first to do so, it is interesting that companies still take this approach.
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RetroCoder Threatens Security Vendors

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15, 2005 @08:14AM (#14033661)
    I'd like to congratulate you on your schemes to increase pageviews. The advertising money is just rolling in! Your dupe strategy has been a remarkable success. But I agree with your assessment that it needs to be replaced, the backlash is getting too great and some people are on to the plot.
    Your new strategy of having a continuing thread (the Intelligent Design flood), is even better! You just throw up 1 new piece of news and there is a whole new rehash of the same posts. It's the same crap over and over again, without any new ideas or originality but it's a guaranteed 1,000 posts and multiple thousand pageviews.

    Keep up the good work whoring out your site!

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    By the way, the last few stories had a low number of posts. Consider Intelligent Design for your next topic.
  • by hattig ( 47930 ) on Tuesday November 15, 2005 @08:14AM (#14033663) Journal
    By your boss to see what you are typing?

    Or commercial as in installed by a dodgy person at work who gains access to the boss' or sysadmin's workstation for a few minutes?

    Or commercial as in bundled with shitty software and then sends out what you type to criminals?

    First one - legal, if unethical.
    Second one - this type of installation should be removed by Spyware removers.
    Third one - the writers of the software should be castrated.
  • by Rude Turnip ( 49495 ) <valuation.gmail@com> on Tuesday November 15, 2005 @08:18AM (#14033673)
    "Essentially, they're trying to hide a key logger behind copyright law."

    Copyright law doesn't have provisions for EULAs. They are using faulty contract law logic to harass security vendors. I honestly think people only think an unsigned, after-the-fact EULA means anything because they've been conditioned throughout their lives to blindingly accept authority, whether real or perceived.
  • by Homology ( 639438 ) on Tuesday November 15, 2005 @09:10AM (#14033844)
    How do these fscking moderators choose one comment that says that the post is Dupe as Informative +5 out of the 100 posts that say that the story is dupe? [Me too]This story is a Dupe[/Me Too]

    Meta-moderate that as "unfair", like I do.

  • by jrumney ( 197329 ) on Tuesday November 15, 2005 @09:21AM (#14033891)
    In order to install the software you have to make a copy of it (either copy from the cd to hard drive, or copy from internet page to hard drive) but before you can copy you need a copyright license. What gives you that license if not the EULA?

    The doctine of fair use. If, in order to use a product which you've purchased you need to make a temporary or permanent copy of it, then that use must by definition be fair.

  • Security Vendors (Score:3, Insightful)

    by PhYrE2k2 ( 806396 ) on Tuesday November 15, 2005 @10:42AM (#14034429)
    I'm really sick of this hiding behind licenses. Spyware makers claiming that by downloading, looking at, thinking of, pissing on, or whatnot you can't create a signature or identify it in any way. There are a ton of stories like this, but it's rediculous.

    It's up to the consumer to decide what goes on their computer, and if an anti-spyware maker wants to warn users of the threats, they have every right to. Otherwise, they're not doing the service THEY are promissing the customer, by identifying those things that spy on them. It really does perplex me how much people try and push with flawed licenses and poor IP laws. If there's any sign it needs to be revamped, this is it.

    -M
  • Re:Sorry! (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 15, 2005 @10:53AM (#14034533)
    In Soviet Russia our old korean self-sueing lawyer overlords welcome you.
  • Why? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Tuesday November 15, 2005 @11:34AM (#14034876) Journal
    Far better to back out the laws that allow this; DMCA being just one.

    Otherwise, we would be building law on a number of bad laws.

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