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Dvorak Sees MS Conspiracy Against BitTorrent 373

kilgortrout writes "Dvorak has an interesting editorial up, where he links the recent stories of alleged 'security problems' and 'spyware problems' bittorent has been having with the recent MS announcement of research into a file sharing app called 'Avalanche'. concluding it's all part of an orchestrated MS disinformation campaign against BitTorrent." From the article: "The problem is that no big company controls it, and Microsoft, asleep at the wheel, let it slip too long to do much about it. So now I suspect Microsoft is playing dirty to discredit the thing. There is no other explanation for the recent series of coincidental stories and events." Especially interesting in light of Bram Cohen's take on the situation.
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Dvorak Sees MS Conspiracy Against BitTorrent

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  • by BrianGa ( 536442 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:04PM (#12874200)
    http://bt.etree.org/ [etree.org]

    Spread of trade-friendly music.
  • by CyricZ ( 887944 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:04PM (#12874211)
    The factor isn't so much the speed, as it is the fact that the bandwidth isn't as centralized. Now a project like Slackware, Debian, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc., can widely distribute its large, legal CD or DVD images without incurring the massive bandwidth costs. Indeed, for non-corporate organizations that can be a real blessing!
  • by KillerDeathRobot ( 818062 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:07PM (#12874249) Homepage
    Blizzard distributes World of Warcraft patches via a custom Bittorrent client, and a number of game demos now are released via torrents.

    Lots of other stuff is and can be distributed through Bittorrent.
  • by yotto ( 590067 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:09PM (#12874272) Homepage
    Can someone tell me a real,legal use for bittorrent?

    You're posting on it.
    Seriously, how many times have you seen a post on /. about some game, or app, or package, or video, and tried to download it but have been met with dead servers? Bittorrent solves that problem and for that alone it is worth having installed.
  • by sjvn ( 11568 ) <sjvn AT vna1 DOT com> on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:10PM (#12874284) Homepage
    See it for yourself:

    http://www.cachelogic.com/research/slide3.php [cachelogic.com]

    or ask anyone who works at an ISP. HTTP barely counts compared to BitTorrent and the other P2P file network protocols.

    Steven
  • Can someone tell me a real,legal use for bittorrent?

    Obviously, someone wasn't paying attention. [slashdot.org]

    And FWIW, over the past few days I've downloaded Linux From Scratch CD and Book, Knoppix lastest, and OpenSolaris code over BitTorrent. Xandros also provides a free version of their distro only over bittorrent, and many game demos come over bittorrent. It's gotten to the point where I get pretty upset if I *can't* get a large file over BT. (Others may remember me bitching about not being able to download Solaris 10 over BT. I still can't, but at least I can get the source and OpenSolaris derivitives.)
  • Protocols (Score:3, Informative)

    by RonnyJ ( 651856 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:15PM (#12874337)
    Continuous improvements led to its (BitTorrent) emergence as a force in 2003; by early 2005 it was perhaps the dominant protocol on the Net, second only to TCP/IP itself.

    I'm sorry, but this guy doesn't know what he's talking about - you can't make a meaningful statement comparing the usage of the BT protocol to the 'TCP/IP protocol'. If he's going to make such statements, at least he should compare it to something relevant, like HTTP or FTP.

  • by hab136 ( 30884 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:25PM (#12874460) Journal
    OS/Apache + Firefox should do this already. Beat Microsoft to the punch. Heck you could even include a spot for plugging and playing DRM (or not).

    The process would be to automatically replace all links to files which are larger than say 256K with a Torrent-ish link. This could be done on pagebuild as it the file is served up.

    You would want to build the Torrent capabilities into the browser as well, so then you would goto Firefox and build them in there as well.

    Here's the Apache half of it: mod-torrent [sourceforge.net]

  • Re:obvious? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Spy der Mann ( 805235 ) <`moc.liamg' `ta' `todhsals.nnamredyps'> on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:26PM (#12874480) Homepage Journal
    (Now if only he spoke against software patents...)

    Oh, wait. He did [pcmag.com]. But a bit of refreshment shouldn't be bad :)
  • by Duhavid ( 677874 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:32PM (#12874542)
    As soon as we started talking about what we were doing, suddenly Microsoft had a competing product. Not that they did, but they did have a plan. As soon as iFusion went under, Microsoft stopped talking about push.
  • by WhiteWolf666 ( 145211 ) <sherwinNO@SPAMamiran.us> on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:37PM (#12874598) Homepage Journal
    Why would MS seek to undermine BitTorrent?

    Why would MS be interested in BitTorrent?

    Because they are pretty good at seeing where the market is going.

    BitTorrent is *not* a niche protocol. BitTorrent is the *dominant* form of net-traffic.
    http://www.cachelogic.com/research/slide3.php [cachelogic.com]

    Ask anyone who works at a major ISP.

    BitTorrent is currently the *dominant* protocol on the net, in terms of bits transfered. Yes, bigger than HTTP, FTP, all the normal protocols, and all the other P2P protocols.

    In addition to *ALL THAT TRAFFIC*, BitTorrent is starting to see siginifcant corporate legitimacy. Blizzard uses BitTorrent in a customized downloader to distribute patches.

    Valve uses a BitTorrent-like (read, licensed from Bram Cohen (infact developed by him, http://www.ferrago.com/story/2963 [ferrago.com]) protocol for distributing their software.

    One can imagine that the legitimate electronic channels of distribution in the future will uses BitTorrent or BitTorrent-like schemes. The cost savings on bandwidth alone will set companies that use it apart from the competition.

    And right now, MS has no technology that comes close. This is from a company that once dreamed of making MSN synonmous with 'The Net'.

    More likely than not, MS currently sees BitTorrent as a massive threat to their having a position in the content distribution networks of tomorrow. Why use a Microsoft solution if you can either write your own in-house OSS solution, or hire another company with a pre-developed, pre-test solution (steam), that crushes the MS solution in bandwidth efficiency.

    In the realm of content distribution (which is a big, big place, and a place where 'visionaries' see a lot of growth (perhaps real, perhaps imaginary), BitTorrent is the 'big fish'. And Bram Cohen occupies a similar spot to Linus Torvald's position in the 'Linux World'.
  • by Mutilated1 ( 836311 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:41PM (#12874634) Homepage
    Here's the Apache half of it: mod-torrent
    Did you see the bottom of the page ? "Development on mod_torrent is currently suspended indefinitely due to lack of time."
  • by InfiniteWisdom ( 530090 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:43PM (#12874645) Homepage
    It's an academic research paper that was published at IEEE Infocom, a very prominent academic conference. Look at the URL:
    http://research.microsoft.com/~pablo/avalanche.htm [microsoft.com]

    See the "research."? See the ~pablo? This is one of MSR's researchers publishing a piece of academic research. Of course, it's not a product, because it's not intended to be. Researchers often will build a prototype, but don't have the time or the inclination to produce production-quality code. Do you think Microsoft would be openly publishing the design details if it were intended to be a product?

    There is no FUD and no vaporware and no conspiracy. This whole storm in a teacup over Avalanche is probably a good example of why publishing research papers openly on the web for other people (i.e. people who don't understand research) to see can be a bad idea.
  • Re:I agree (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @02:46PM (#12874681)
    He didn't create the dvorak keyboard layout.
  • Re: Sheer Brilliance (Score:2, Informative)

    by ToasterofDOOM ( 878240 ) <d.murphy.davis@gmail.com> on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @03:04PM (#12874873)
    no ... it's not worth it here's the wikipedia article though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatse [wikipedia.org]
  • Re:I agree (Score:4, Informative)

    by elleomea ( 749084 ) on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @03:06PM (#12874891) Homepage
    Wrong Dvorak, you're thinking of August Dvorak [wikipedia.org]
  • by pjrc ( 134994 ) <paul@pjrc.com> on Tuesday June 21, 2005 @03:08PM (#12874912) Homepage Journal
    can someone tell me a real,legal use for bittorrent?

    Suppose you want to download Ubuntu linux [ubuntu.com] and try installing it. It's rapidly becoming one of the most popular linux distributions, and you want to see what it's all about.

    So, you visit that page. Hmm... you can download the single CD installer OR a single live CS. They also have a single DVD installer, which functions as both, and also includes all the packages which aren't on either CD.

    How do you download that DVD image? Bittorrent. Don't just take my word for it. Go ahead, click on that link and see for yourself. Bittorrent is the ONLY way to obtain the larger DVD version.

    Personally, I've resisted trying out bitottent until now. But a friend of mine, who's going back to school (and only has dialup), is taking a linux class and wants to try out some of the major distros. The DVD is looking like a much better option than the single CD, where he'll have to apt-get stuff using very slow dialup (and they live in a rural area with low quality lines, so disconnections are common).

    So there you have it. Not only a bonafide legal use of bittorrent, but bittorrent is the ONLY WAY to obtain that DVD image for my friend.

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