More Details on IE7 Tabs 350
GraemeDonaldson writes "Another member of the IE dev team, Tony Schreiner, has revealed details of IE7's tabbed browsing implementation including the fact that the user will retain control over how tabs are handled." From the post: "Regarding script, there is no "target='_tab'" feature or any direct access to tabs from script beyond what is available with multiple windows today. We are working on balancing the default behavior for whether a window opened from script opens as in a new frame or a tab. Currently, windows that have been customized, such as hiding a toolbar or making the window non-resizable, will default to opening in their own standalone frame, whereas ordinary pop-up windows will open in a new foreground tab. CTRL-clicking and middle-clicking links will open those links in a background tab."
Boooooooring! (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:sounds like... (Score:1, Insightful)
no more ie7 tab news! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Boooooooring! (Score:5, Insightful)
Adblock? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:sounds like... (Score:3, Insightful)
Competition Fostering Innovation (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Tabs in IE7? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Tabs in IE7? (Score:3, Insightful)
Monopoly (Score:5, Insightful)
M$ gets no respect from me.
Re:Boooooooring! (Score:2, Insightful)
At work, I use a host of applications that require IE. Some may have the opinion, "well, they must not be good apps". Hoever, there are plenty of high end applications that offer more functionality in IE than in Firefox or alternate browsers.
Re:no more ie7 tab news! (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, don't we already have great browsers with tabs? I'm using one right now. All this news about tabs in IE is a little like Ford announcing a new product: a gas-powered, horseless carriage which will convey any number up to four passengers at a high rate of speed and without all the hassle horses require!
"Yay," yells the crowd! "And it will run over standard roads, too, won't it?"
"Standard roads? Oh, now let's not get carried away, son! No, SPECIAL roads will be required because, um, because, oh! Because ours is a SPECIAL vehicle, so we need SPECIAL roads and we'll build them and charge a minimal toll."
"Fuck you!" yells the crowd! Microsoft won't lend full support to CSS2 because they claim it's a flawed specification, which, of course, is true, in the sense that revenue model for Microsoft was not built into it.
To hell with this. I'm going to switch from Firefox because IE finally got tabbed browsing? Yawn. I have Maxthon installed and I *still* use Firefox.
Rip Off! (Score:2, Insightful)
It also seems like they are quite sincere in catching up fully in the browser feature race. Now IE will have a pop-up blocker and tabs. Sounds a lot like we again have a nearly identical major feature set as a neat bulleted list for marketing. Plus, IE will forever have a faster start-up time (by cheating).
We need to stay ahead in features to stay competitive. We need more features to watch porn more efficiently!
what a great idea!! (Score:3, Insightful)
Hmm, how about ordinary pop up windows not opening AT ALL!?!?
I have just started using Firefox and I love how most pop-ups are blocked, and the ones that do happen to pop thru open in a new Background window so they are easily killed...
from TFA:
"We are working on balancing the default behavior for whether a window opened from script opens.."
How about let me choose what behavior I want from my browser instead of making all of these "defaults" which I will end up changing anyway because they are usually the less intuitive choice. sheesh.. i'll just stick with Firefox.
Side note, since changing to Firefox, my 4 home systems which my family uses (that used to fill up with spyware weekly) have been running spyware free now for 2 weeks. Thanks Mozilla...
Re:sounds like... (Score:5, Insightful)
I can imagine the uproar from people just like you if Microsoft actually followed your advice: "They're breaking standards! They introduced their own incompatible proprietary interface just to promote browser lock-in!"
Criticize them for their predatory business practices all you like, but this kind of shit is purely assinine.
Re:no more ie7 tab news! (Score:1, Insightful)
And I've yet to see any browser support any CSS specification "fully".
Not about tabs, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
I know we'll never reach the point where 100% of code will "work on all browsers the first time, every time". But if IE's performance gets to the point where its quirkiness is no more of an issue than Safari's or Gecko's, then that'll be good enough for me. Right now IE probably adds 30% to my development time for any project, because the reality is things have to work acceptably well in IE.
AAAAAARRRRGGGGHH!!! (Score:1, Insightful)
Tabs should not be a feature of the browser, they should be a behaviour of MDI windows. (you remember MDI windows
The browser should be an MDI app and should get tabs for "free" from the window manager.
They have the OS, they have the windowing system, they have the browser
cjcyrxv
Re:Adblock? (Score:3, Insightful)
This argument has been made a million times on /. and no one ever wins :) For me, it is as simple as a few things. 1) I don't click on ads unless by accident. 2) If your ads are small and benign, I don't block them anyway. 3) If your revenue depends on something that a significant portion of your clientele go out of their way to avoid, perhaps you need to re-evaluate your business model. Thousands upon thousands of others have done the same already.
Re:Boooooooring! (Score:3, Insightful)
(Before anybody calls me an ungrateful twerp, I have contributed financially to the Mozilla foundation...)
Re:Tabs in IE7? (Score:1, Insightful)
Ah, the dilemma of standardization. MS thinks of different documents in Word as discrete work items. I tend to think of applications as discrete work items, so I like all the Word documents available in one place, without the clutter of multiple windows. When Firefox opens something in a new window instead of a new tab, I usually close it and middle-click instead. Many people claim that you should use fewer, fuller directories, and open them in seperate windows, I like the sorting qualities of deeper, emptier directories, and I hate having a new window open up every time I click on a directory (8 just to get to what I'm working on).
Standardization is nice for programmers, trainers and tech support. Flexibility is nice for users. Most of us spend too many hours a day on a computer. Saving a few seconds (on a regular basis), a train of thought, or a little bit of frustration by having the computer work the way we think is a big win. That's why I like Unix, as well as old-school Unix programs like Emacs or AutoCAD. I can make them do what I want, I don't have to learn to do things their way. (Then again, sometimes I could probably be more productive if I learned the new way of thinking...)
I think it's ironic that people avoid Unix because it isn't "user friendly", but I consider it more user-friendly than the other big OSs (haven't used OS X much yet.) Sure it might be harder to learn, but it's worth it. I don't use a computer the same way as a newbie, why should I use the same interface? One thing about a zero learning curve system is that a newbie can be as productive as a 10-year user. The other thing is that a 10-year user is no more productive than a newbie.
So standardize on what is available, but provide many options and lots of customizability. Provide virtualization so that the apps don't have to think in terms of whether a command was typed, clicked, or input through thought control. Always provide a base-level fallback or easy switch to defaults, so that a tech can work at any machine without having to find the user's commands, or can fix a newbie's messed up interface. The holy grail is a system that is dead easy to use initially, but which helps the user become more advanced and customize, such that they grow to work better with each other.
Re:Cant run IE 7 even if i wanted too. (Score:4, Insightful)
Jeez,
* I have Win95 and they haven't given me any NTFS yet! * Winge.
* Ford haven't updated my 1969 Mustang with ABS, and airbags either. * Winge.
Do you not understand? - in commercial world OLD products aren't given new features. It doesn't matter whether you are talking software, cars, or washing machines.
Thats no reason to stop bitching about MS, is it?
Re:no more ie7 tab news! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Cant run IE 7 even if i wanted too. (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Monopoly (Score:3, Insightful)
So.. did FireFox 'steal' their ideas from Opera, then? They don't get your repsect, either?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not thrilled with MS's laziness with IE either, but 'stealing' tabs? Please. It's a standard feature for web browsing and has been for years. It'd be really dumb of MS NOT to include it. FireFox did a good job of, pardon the expression, lighting a fire under MS. Now the FireFox team is going to have to work harder. This means a better browser for you.
Both FireFox and IE get better. Oh the horror.
Re:Not about tabs, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
10 to 1 (Score:3, Insightful)
(And if they could fix their damn stylesheet bugs: When you select 'ignore font sizes' it is supposed to ignore line height as well!)
Re:I'd prefer they fixed their rendering (Score:3, Insightful)
We know for a fact that some of our customers are Windows only, and others are unix (AIX). The former are either clueless, or very locked down - for either IE is the most likely choice. They will not install firefox for us. IE doesn't run on AIX, so we have to support firefox.
Half the developers prefer a Unix desktop, and run Konqueror/safari (one guy brings his own laptop cause we only supply x86), while the Windows people run firefox. We could drop Konqueror/safari, but once you have firefox those are trivial. We cannot drop IE or firefox because there are known customers that are locked into one.
Re:Cant run IE 7 even if i wanted too. (Score:3, Insightful)
Yeah, you're right. That's why Win2000 will only run the version of IE it came with in the first place.
Oh wait...