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Software Glitches Stall Toyota Prius 560

t35t0r writes "CNN/Money/Tech reports that 2004 and early 2005 Toyota Prius models have software bugs that cause them to stall while traveling at highway speeds. While no accidents were reported to have been caused by the software glitch, could we be heading into an era where our automobiles will require software updates and fixes to keep them from literally 'crashing'?"
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Software Glitches Stall Toyota Prius

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:16PM (#12548312)
    ...from Ford.
  • by srlunsford ( 697271 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:17PM (#12548318)
    Toyota: The next Microsoft.
  • by ad0le ( 684017 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:18PM (#12548329)
    I was only trying to install the latest windshield wiper drivers....
  • by Timesprout ( 579035 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:19PM (#12548343)
    for my flying car. There will be a plumet, followed by a very sudden stop at the end.
  • by Herkum01 ( 592704 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:19PM (#12548344)

    Yes officer, I was trying to figure out how fast I was going but the speedometer was not refreshing and when I looked up "WHAM!"

  • by mcc ( 14761 ) <amcclure@purdue.edu> on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:19PM (#12548347) Homepage
    ...then... uh... i guess things would be just like they are now
  • by Kesh ( 65890 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:20PM (#12548360)
    "You have shifted gears. You must restart your car for these changes to take effect."
  • Oh. At red lights. Not at highway speeds. Never mind.
  • by joneser005 ( 816318 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:21PM (#12548381)
    Toyota's new slogan: "Where to you wa..."
  • by trb ( 8509 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:22PM (#12548388)
    They said:

    sent owners a service notice advising them to bring the cars into dealers for an hour-long software upgrade.

    They meant:

    It's a five minute software upgrade, but if we told you that, you'd be upset when the service dept made you wait for an hour.

  • by pyrrhonist ( 701154 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:23PM (#12548405)
    After you crash, it's a Red Windscreen of Death.
  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:28PM (#12548460)
    Minardi had a software glitch take out both their F1 cars at last weekend's grand prix, are they the next Microsoft?

    Well no, Minardi cars can start without an activation key.
  • Figures (Score:2, Funny)

    by Strange Ranger ( 454494 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:29PM (#12548466)

    "Please insert your Prius into the original location from which the software was installed."
  • by kbeech ( 660054 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:30PM (#12548474)
    If OS's Were Cars If operating systems ran your car, and you needed to go to the shops... MS-DOS: You get in the car and try to remember where you put the keys. Windows: You get in the car and drive to the shops very slowly, because attached to the back of the car is a freight train. Macintosh System 7: You get in the car to drive to the shops and the car drives you to church. Unix: You get in the car and type 'grep store'. After reaching speeds of 200 mph en route, you arrive at the barbershop. Windows NT: You get in the car and write a letter that says "go to the shops". Then you get out of the car and nail the letter to the dashboard. Taligent/Pink: You walk to the store with Ricardo Montalban who tells you how wonderful it will be when he can fly you to the store in his LearJet. OS/2: After fuelling up with 6000 gallons of fuel, you get in the car and drive to the shops with a motorcycle escort and a marching band in procession. Halfway there, the car blows up, killing everyone. S/36 SSP: You get in the car and drive to the shops. Halfway there you run out of fuel. While walking the rest of the way, you are run over by kids with mopeds. AS/400: An attendant kicks you into the car and then drives you to the shops where you get to watch everyone else buying filets mignon.
  • Re:BMW?? (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:37PM (#12548558)
    just wait until the sensor shorts out and tells the engine that I want to floor it, or vice versa.

    Yeah, there's nothing worse than your engine shorting out and telling the sensor that you want to floor it.
  • by daVinci1980 ( 73174 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:40PM (#12548598) Homepage
    I guess not everyone has seen this. I thought it was kinda funny.

    (From Here [vbrad.com]

    At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated "If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon.

    In response to Mr. Gates' comments, General Motors issued the following press release (by Mr. Welch himself, the GM CEO).
    If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:

    1. Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you'd have to buy a new car.

    2. Occasionally your car would just die on the motorway for no reason, and you'd have to restart it. For some strange reason, you'd just accept this, restart and drive on.

    3. Occasionally, executing a manoeuvre would cause your car to stop and fail to restart and you'd have to re-install the engine. For some strange reason, you'd just accept this too.

    4. You could only have one person in the car at a time, unless you bought a "Car 95" or a "Car NT". But then you'd have to buy more seats.

    5. Amiga would make a car that was powered by the sun, was twice as reliable, five times as fast, twice as easy to drive - but it would only run on five percent of the roads.

    6. Macintosh car owners would get expensive Microsoft upgrades to their cars which would make their cars go much slower.

    7. The oil, engine, gas and alternator warning lights would be replaced with a single "General Car Fault" warning light.

    8. People would get excited about the "new" features in Microsoft cars, forgetting completely that they had been available in other cars for many years.

    9. We'd all have to switch to Microsoft gas and all auto fluids but the packaging would be superb.

    10. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt.

    11. The airbag system would say "Are you sure?" before going off.

    12. If you were involved in a crash, you would have no idea what happened.

    13. They wouldn't build their own engines, but form a cartel with their engine suppliers. The latest engine would have 16 cylinders, multi-point fuel injection and 4 turbos, but it would be a side-valve design so you could use Model-T Ford parts on it.

    14. There would be an "Engium Pro" with bigger turbos, but it would be slower on most existing roads.

    15. Microsoft cars would have a special radio/cassette player which would only be able to listen to Microsoft FM, and play Microsoft Cassettes. Unless of course, you buy the upgrade to use existing stuff.

    16. Microsoft would do so well, because even though they don't own any roads, all of the road manufacturers would give away Microsoft cars free, including IBM!

    17. If you still ran old versions of car (ie. CarDOS 6.22/CarWIN 3.11), then you would be called old fashioned, but you would be able to drive much faster, and on more roads!

    18. If you couldn't afford to buy a new car, then you could just borrow your friends, and then copy it.

    19. Whenever you bought a car, you would have to reorganise the ignition for a few days before it worked.

    20. You would need to buy an upgrade to run cars on a motorway next to each other.
  • by WillAffleckUW ( 858324 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:56PM (#12548760) Homepage Journal
    but that's because they run out of gas between refuelling stops every few miles ...

  • by Anonymous Luddite ( 808273 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @06:58PM (#12548770)
    >> Shifted into neutral

    I've actually had this happen once with an older Ford - Punched it around a corner and the throttle stuck wide open with a new SUV parked crossways 40 feet away. Didn't touch Nuetral. Went from drive to 1st, 1st to park and stopped about 3 feet from the truck. The kid standing beside it nearly died of fright.

    I expect doing this with any car made in the last 20 years would leave your transmission in little itty bits...
  • or just imagine the Blue Screams of Death ... or Red Screams one supposes ... when that happens.

  • Re:Failover (Score:5, Funny)

    by McDutchie ( 151611 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @07:06PM (#12548849) Homepage
    Not surprising that you might conclude total failure from the /. posting and its exceptionally lame, MSM-like allusions to 'crashing'...

    #include <obYouMustBeNewHere.h>

  • by khrtt ( 701691 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @07:23PM (#12549012)
    The throttle on my old '91 Golf stuck a few times a week for a month or two, until I got my around to fixing it. My foolproof recovery sequence was - clutch, neutral, ignition off (engine stops), ignition back on (to prevent the steering from locking up, flashers, pull over (if have enough speed/space), stop. Pop open hood, get out of the car, kick crap out of throttle assembly while swearing loudly (which caused the throttle to unstick). Get in, continue driving.

    I've done it some 20 times at least, and never got even so much scared, except for one time when the stupid throttle got stuck just as I was racing an 18-wheeler after flipping a birdie at him. Which was, of course, somewhat dangerous even without the throttle problems.
  • by justins ( 80659 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @07:27PM (#12549047) Homepage Journal
    I guess not everyone has seen this. I thought it was kinda funny.

    Yes, there are still a few wandering nomads in equitorial New Guinea who haven't seen the "if cars were as unreliable as computers" joke yet. Good job!
  • by HermanAB ( 661181 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @07:28PM (#12549059)
    More likely, this was a case of 'wrong pedal syndrome' where she had her foot on the accellerator instead of the brake and pressed that to the floor - but damned if she'll ever admit to that...
  • by jase! ( 139841 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @07:43PM (#12549283)
    no no no no no

    do not turn off the ignition until the car is stopped if you do that you loose your power steering and brakes, the engine will bounce of the rev limiter for a minute but shit happens.

    1. shift to neutral
    2. stop car
    3. turn off ignition
    4 . profit (sue ford)
  • by biglig2 ( 89374 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @07:57PM (#12549471) Homepage Journal
    ... because perhaps by then all the people repeating the tired jokes about "if microsoft made cars" will have given up.

    Oh wait, this is slashdot, even the dupe is going to have tired jokes.
  • by cpeterso ( 19082 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @08:18PM (#12549678) Homepage

    I know your wife SAID it was an "accident" when she rammed her Ford Explorer into you, but I've watched enough Court TV to know better. <:)
  • Re:Failover (Score:5, Funny)

    by TopSpin ( 753 ) * on Monday May 16, 2005 @08:41PM (#12549843) Journal
    #include <obYouMustBeNewHere.h>

    LOL. Note the user id, Mr. 151611.
  • Re:BMW?? (Score:5, Funny)

    by edremy ( 36408 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:21PM (#12550102) Journal

    It's all servo-driven, no linkage between the throttle and the gas pedal at all. If I had thought to check stuff like that I wouldn't have bought it.

    And a cable is any better? I've been a car where the accelerator cable broke and left the throttle wide open. I suspect a servo might well be more robust than a cable.

    Luckily it was a 70's era VM Vanagon camper. I think we went from 62 to 63 in the 5 minutes or so we spent playing with the accelerator pedal to see what the problem was.

  • by Mr Pippin ( 659094 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:42PM (#12550239)
    Microsoft Windows for Automobiles - "Where do you want to stall, today?"
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 16, 2005 @09:48PM (#12550280)
    Obviously your OS prohibits the use of the ENTER KEY.
  • by screwdriver ( 691980 ) on Monday May 16, 2005 @11:47PM (#12551057)
    If you drive like me then 90 MPH is highway speed.
  • by Thagg ( 9904 ) <thadbeier@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @12:12AM (#12551181) Journal
    and my wife's, twice. She has had hers in for the "recalibration of the computer." We'll see if hers acts any differently now than it did before.

    It seems to me that the problem occurs when the computer tries to restart the engine, and it doesn't catch immediately. It does seem that the car will continue to run as an electric car, and it does seem to come its senses within a few seconds.

    My blindingly white Prius is nicknamed "Snowcrash" for exactly this reason -- if the computer goes down, it's just a car shaped hunk of metal.

    Thad Beier
  • by Dahamma ( 304068 ) on Tuesday May 17, 2005 @12:25AM (#12551253)
    Yow. I saw a Prius on the side of the highway this morning - I was wondering what could have gone wrong with it, since it looked brand new.

    The driver was wandering around the hood looking like he wanted to open it, but had no idea what to do when he did :)
  • Wow... You know what that just said to me?

    "Yeah, I mean over the phone, yeah, he looked at it. He says that it sounded like my hobbit that turns the crank case is depressed and needs therapy. We need get us a new hobbit. They's from the land beyond time. Land beyond time is also gonna hook us up with a unicorn for the radiator. I ain't even gonna tell ya about that haunted air conditioner. Plus, the air filter? That's made of plutonium. That's gonna involve Superman, so...ya know, plus shipping from Krypton. And the cow..jumped over the moon."

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