IBM Unveils Anti-Spam Services to Stop Spammers 443
bblazer writes "CNN Money is running a story about a new IBM service that spams the spammers. The idea behind the technology is that when a spam email is received, it is immediately sent back to the originating computer - not an email account. From the article, ""We're doing it to shut this guy down," Stuart McIrvine, IBM's director of corporate security strategy, told the paper. "Every time he tries to send, he gets slammed again."""
spamd (Score:3, Insightful)
works great for honest spammers (Score:1, Insightful)
With all the spam zombies, how will this help? (Score:4, Insightful)
Or do they plan to DDoS the spam-zombies?
The UNITED STATES of LARD (Score:0, Insightful)
The United States of Lard
by Mark Driver
We are a fat, fucking country. We're also lazy, complaining, selfish,
hypocritical assholes, but today, I'm just gonna focus on the fat part.
More than half of Americans are obese. Not just overweight mind you,
OBESE, meaning there is so much blubber on your bones, it's unhealthy.
Your lard encrusted heart pumps your greasy blood through tightening
arteries and brittle veins. Unsightly fields of poisonous cellulite dot
the noxious landscape that is your body. Our chubby children can barely
pry their fat engorged bodies out of bed. There are even reports of these
little butterballs suffering from adult diabetes, a condition that used to
take dozens of years of abuse to manifest. Like a pod of sleepy whales
sucking pure lard out of a generically mutilated mother hog covered from
snout to tail in teats, we just feed and breed. It doesn't matter what the
fuck we put into our bodies. It can be uranium soaked dog feces sprinkled
with live baby tarantulas, tapeworm eggs, cigarette buts and diesel fuel
causing impotence, baldness, spontaneous abortion, and premature death -
as long as it's battered, fried, and salted: it's dinner.
New National Anthem (sung to the tune of anything by N' Sync)
Suck and sleep,
Mate and eat.
Breed and feed,
Breed and feed.
Don't lather.
or rinse,
or chew,
just repeat.
How did everyone get so fat? Our grandparents weren't fat. Most senior
citizens aren't fat (maybe the fat ones die off early). George Washington
wasn't fat. Abe Lincoln wasn't fat. Ben Franklin was fat, but he made up
for it in charm (from what I hear). In random snapshots of history, most
people aren't fat. They didn't have the luxury of a life where you spent
15 hours a day laying on your back. They didn't have the luxury of a
purely sedentary lifestyle. If they wanted to eat something disgustingly
unhealthy, they didn't have the luxury of waddling over to Wendy's for a
bacon triple cheese burger - they had to make it themselves by scratch.
Luxuries have their costs, don't they fatty?
So are you one of these fat asses? One of these obese, bacon-grease
drinking Americans that make up more than half of our population? Do your
rotund children roll around on the floor in their own drool, playing video
games, suffering from high blood pressure and hemorrhoids because you feed
them processed crap and never make them go outside?
It's easy to stop off at the store or pull up to the drive through window,
but if it came down to it, would you be able to provide any of the foods
you consume for yourself? Would catching a pig leave you breathless and
huffing like a broken bag pipe? Could your short, fat fingers fit around a
cow's udder for milking? Could you even climb into the seat of tractor to
dig a trench to seed some corn? Could you pull a stalk of wheat out of the
ground? Could you run after a chicken? Can you even run?
I'm not saying this to be deliberately mean, I'm saying it because you
fat, lazy, pieces of shit piss me off. What is it, like a third of the
world that's starving to death? In countries worldwide, there are human
skeletons with gaping eyes trying to make bread out of tree roots and
dust, swollen joints and bloated, empty stomachs. 5' 3" and forty pounds.
Now that's a fucking weight problem. Imagine reaction of one of these poor
souls watching American late night TV. Picture them, ribs showing through
their stained rags, broken teeth jutting out of their shrunken heads,
trying to find a place to sit on your fast food wrapper papered couch. You
hit "on", and the TV shows images of fat asses just like yourself, crying
with Richard Simmons, saying things like "I just can't stop myself from
eating! Pies! Fried Chicken! Cake! Pizza! Hamburger! I just eat and eat
and eat! I can't stop! And now look at me! I'm fat." You try to explain to
your new, malnourished
AOL and MSN (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:5, Insightful)
What's the problem? If you are participating, on purpose or not, you should be stopped.
Being subject to this form of retribution might make people aware of the problems on their machines. It seems to be a Good Thing to me.
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:5, Insightful)
christ on a cracker... (Score:1, Insightful)
This is complete crap.
take it from me, someone who sends out roughly 5 million emails daily.
Doesn't sound very effective (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:4, Insightful)
so.. double the money wasted on spam on total and no cure.
e-mails coming from a computer on the spam list (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:2, Insightful)
Better to slam the websites advertised, like the slashdot effect, I reckon.
-d
Re:What about the zombie PCs (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Yes, but what about the network traffic? (Score:1, Insightful)
Heres what happens in order (Score:5, Insightful)
2) starts sending out spam to say IBM
3) IBM sends back spam to the zombie
4) IBM gets put on every RBL list because it actually is sending spam, think about it
5) comcast and every major company using that RBL and every user in comcast can no longer get mail from IBM
6) IBM yells and screams to RBL list owner that they really arent sending spam, just well sending back email to people who didn't ask for it, or didn't want it or didn't sign up for it. OK they are sending spam... just not bad spam.
Only positive I see is maybe ISPs like comcast might wake the hell up and start cleaning up the problems and stop ignoring their users.
How does it hurt spammers? (Score:3, Insightful)
useless tactic (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:4, Insightful)
My small local ISP sends techs to help their customers when these things happen - and, yes, I realize that's not viable in most cases.
Re:Not a good idea. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:agreed (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:agreed (Score:5, Insightful)
Or so I've heard, anyhow.
Re:What about the zombie PCs (Score:3, Insightful)
If your car stopped running because of some complicated issue in the engine, you don't have to understand the problem or the solution to take it to a mechanic.
Re:More me too bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, you don't have to abandon SMTP at all. The protocol has already undergone a fairly major revision with the change to ESMTP and there are very few servers left that are still SMTP only. Technically, it wouldn't be very hard to bolt a much more robust mail transfer mechanism onto SMTP in the same manner we use to deliniate SMTP and ESMTP - the mail server banner and client "HELO/EHLO". For instance you could change the ESMTP banner to include the string "ESMTP v2" instead of just "ESMTP" and compliant servers could sign on with "ALLO", while older clients can still resort to "EHLO" or even "HELO" while the deployment is underway.
Simple, huh? Unfortunately not, because politically, it would probably be a complete nightmare to actually do anything like this. The whole idea would almost certainly break apart under the weight of competing agendas from the various parties involved. I think the whole MARID fiasco [circleid.com] proved that beyond any doubt.
The ONLY thing that will stop Spam (Score:4, Insightful)
If there was no Spam senders there would be no problem with Spam. Right? The problem is that we keep going after the carrier, not the beneficiary.
Fine the people for whom and on whose behalf the Spam is sent. Make it for one dollar per spam message received. Instead of sending for free, the messages end up costing more than the Post Office.
Re:spamd (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:2, Insightful)
If this sort of plan counts as a DDOS attack, I wonder if those users will start sending their excess usage bills to IBM.
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:5, Insightful)
And it's not like it's hard to tell who the culprits are. Anyone who has logging enabled on their firewall will know exactly what I mean.
Flamebait my ass (Score:3, Insightful)
How the hell do you expect ISPs to react to this kind of retalitory behavior?
You start attacking major networks automatically and you're going to see port blocking come up faster than you can say Postfix.
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:3, Insightful)
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Re:Well, duh... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:works great for honest spammers (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I'm rubber, you're glue... (Score:3, Insightful)
No more calls, we have a winner.
Why not just offer a service that acknowledges to spammers that they have reached a viable recipient? This is better than the old "Click here if you want to get off this mailing list".
For every 3 spam messages, I get a user saying they aren't getting their legitimate mail because the spam filter is blocking it.
The British had the right idea. Find the spammers and coil their intestines on a bobbin in broad daylight.
Re:Interesting (Score:2, Insightful)
story of my life. heh
Sounds like an early version of SpamCop (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The net result is quite similar (Score:3, Insightful)
but it will almost always bring the spammer down as a (nice) side-effect.
No, it will bring whoever is in the From: address down. It's extremely rare that that is an address that the spammer has anything to do with.
Re:To save bandwidth, how about being pro-active? (Score:2, Insightful)
onepoint
Re:Lies in the CNN story title. (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem with this scheme is the "click a button" aspect. This would require HTML mail.
The spam problem would be 80% solved if HTML mail were not used at all.
1. Spammers wouldn't be able to track mail opening with tagged image links.
2. Spammers wouldn't be able to propagate their custom programmed spamming trojans and viruses nearly as effectively.
3. HTML mail is not needed. When was the last time you got email with a remote loaded picture in it (not attached) that actually interested you? Almost never in my case.
Hey! I got it, the FUSSP! Just ban HTML mail!
It won't work (Score:3, Insightful)
This absolutely sucks!!! (Score:3, Insightful)
While my mail server doesn't seem to mind too much (other than huge log files), my Netgear firewall goes nuts from time to time forcing me to reboot it.
What would stop this type of DDOS I'm under? The gateway mail server should validate the recipient and return an error code right away instead of sending a bounced email later.
Why challenge/response won't work either. (Score:3, Insightful)
a) spammers give a rat's ass about receiving e-mail, and thus actually *have* incoming mail servers, and
b) that spammers aren't spamming through botnets.
Since both these assumptions are false, this suddenly becomes a spectacularly stupid idea.
Re:The net result is quite similar (Score:4, Insightful)
when a spam email is received, it is immediately sent back to the originating computer - not an email account
Unless you know of a way to mass spoof TCP handshaking, that is...
Re:With all the spam zombies, how will this help? (Score:3, Insightful)
If this description of how IBM built their system is accurate, they'll DOS themselves.
My bet is one week, or until the first spammer gets ticked off by their zombies being slowed down, whichever comes first.