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IBM Unveils Anti-Spam Services to Stop Spammers 443

bblazer writes "CNN Money is running a story about a new IBM service that spams the spammers. The idea behind the technology is that when a spam email is received, it is immediately sent back to the originating computer - not an email account. From the article, ""We're doing it to shut this guy down," Stuart McIrvine, IBM's director of corporate security strategy, told the paper. "Every time he tries to send, he gets slammed again."""
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IBM Unveils Anti-Spam Services to Stop Spammers

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  • Woah! (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:00AM (#12011594)
    IBM's Anti-Spam services are designed to stop spammers?!?!?

    What will they think of next?
  • by aendeuryu ( 844048 ) on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:02AM (#12011618)
    IBM Unveils Anti-Spam Services to Stop Spammers

    Anti-Spam services that STOP spam?!? You don't say? Now there's a novel idea...

    This joke was brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.
  • by catisonh ( 805870 ) on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:03AM (#12011629) Homepage
    What if the spammer had this same technology? Would the internet get stuck in an infinite loop and go to 100% usage?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:09AM (#12011706)
    wow, what a cool invention! surely IBM filed a patent?

    Tristan
  • by AllUsernamesAreGone ( 688381 ) on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:20AM (#12011848)
    As requested (all selections open to change, subjective, etc, etc) Note the law-based stuff comes from the fact that I suspect a retaliation response like this is probably illegal, IANAL though so this may be/probably is wrong.

    Your company advocates a

    (x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante

    approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

    ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
    ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
    ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
    ( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
    ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
    ( ) Users of email will not put up with it
    ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
    (x) The police will not put up with it
    ( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
    ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
    ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
    ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
    (x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

    Specifically, your plan fails to account for

    (x) Laws expressly prohibiting it
    ( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
    (x) Open relays in foreign countries
    ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
    (x) Asshats
    (x) Jurisdictional problems
    ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
    ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
    ( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
    ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
    ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
    (x) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
    (x) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
    ( ) Extreme profitability of spam
    (x) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
    ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
    ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
    (x) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with Microsoft
    ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with Yahoo
    ( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
    (x) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
    ( ) Outlook

    and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

    (x) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
    ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
    ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
    ( ) Blacklists suck
    ( ) Whitelists suck
    ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
    (x) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
    ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
    ( ) Sending email should be free
    ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
    ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
    ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
    ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
    ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
    (x) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

    Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

    ( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
    (x) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid company for suggesting it.
    ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your house down!
  • nope (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:24AM (#12011879)
    Your post advocates a

    (x) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (x) vigilante

    approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)

    ( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
    ( ) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
    ( ) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
    (x) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
    ( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
    ( ) Users of email will not put up with it
    ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
    (x) The police will not put up with it
    ( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
    ( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
    ( ) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
    ( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
    (x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business

    Specifically, your plan fails to account for

    (x) Laws expressly prohibiting it
    ( ) Lack of centrally controlling authority for email
    (x) Open relays in foreign countries
    ( ) Ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
    (x) Asshats
    ( ) Jurisdictional problems
    ( ) Unpopularity of weird new taxes
    ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
    ( ) Huge existing software investment in SMTP
    ( ) Susceptibility of protocols other than SMTP to attack
    ( ) Willingness of users to install OS patches received by email
    (x) Armies of worm riddled broadband-connected Windows boxes
    ( ) Eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
    ( ) Extreme profitability of spam
    ( ) Joe jobs and/or identity theft
    ( ) Technically illiterate politicians
    ( ) Extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
    ( ) Dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
    ( ) Bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
    ( ) Outlook

    and the following philosophical objections may also apply:

    ( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
    been shown practical
    ( ) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
    ( ) SMTP headers should not be the subject of legislation
    (x) Blacklists suck
    ( ) Whitelists suck
    ( ) We should be able to talk about Viagra without being censored
    ( ) Countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
    (x) Countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
    ( ) Countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
    ( ) Sending email should be free
    ( ) Why should we have to trust you and your servers?
    ( ) Incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
    ( ) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
    ( ) Temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
    ( ) I don't want the government reading my email
    (x) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

    Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

    (x) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
    ( ) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
    ( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
    house down!
  • Interesting (Score:5, Funny)

    by Mr. Underbridge ( 666784 ) on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:34AM (#12011977)
    take it from me, someone who sends out roughly 5 million emails daily.

    I'd like to learn more about this. What's your phone number, I'd like to call you to talk further.

  • by SpamJunkie ( 557825 ) on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:37AM (#12011994)
    At least a portion of the most ignorant users will still find an acceptable solution - they'll go buy a mac mini.
  • by justforaday ( 560408 ) on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:38AM (#12012006)
    Comcast doesn't ignore their users. They send them an invoice every month...
  • Re:spamd (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:40AM (#12012032)
    how about a bunch of geeks with shotguns and a list of all known spammers and their current residences?
  • by WilyCoder ( 736280 ) on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @11:48AM (#12012138)
    But what happens when the software controlling the zombie PCs is upgraded to resend the returned spam?

    Internet crash!

    To: [*.*]
    From: [*.*]
    Subject: Re: Crashtastic!
  • by Feanturi ( 99866 ) on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @12:09PM (#12012411)
    back to the senders email address

    Wow, kdjfuusidow@lerlkdfudfo.org is gonna be mighty upset when they see all their spam coming back at them.
  • Re:Great... (Score:3, Funny)

    by RevMike ( 632002 ) <revMikeNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Tuesday March 22, 2005 @12:47PM (#12012862) Journal

    Yes, but it's already a waste of bandwidth to let spammers spew trillions of emails at our /dev/nulls.

    Not to mention what are we supposed to do when our /dev/nulls fill up.

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