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Business Considers Open Source on Par with Commercial Software 121

quad4b writes "At the International Conference on COTS-based Software Systems in Spain last week, representatives from organizations such at the Software Engineering Institute (remember the CMM), National Research Council of Canada and the European Software Institute discussed the inclusion of Open Source Software for the first time on the conference agenda. COTS software includes stuff like commercial operating systems, desktop software, and ERP systems among others. The conference examined best practices for integrating these pre-built components in systems development efforts. They conceded that open source software is essentially no different from commercially built software and that both types have their risks in terms of supportability and security. (what opponents of OSS say is its weakness) Interestingly enough, a senior representative of IBM was present and discussed with some of us, over lunch, how IBM is determined to move to an open desktop based on Linux and OpenOffice within about a year."
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Business Considers Open Source on Par with Commercial Software

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  • Same risks? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by null etc. ( 524767 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:11PM (#11679335)
    Oh my, I guess Bill Gates will have to find another message to preach besides "OSS is unsafe, unsupported, and costs more than Microsoft products."
  • That's funny... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chordonblue ( 585047 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:13PM (#11679348) Journal
    I thought I'd read that IBM wasn't interested in OpenOffice - at least for their own use and that they were going down a different path. Go figure. I guess it shows how OOo has really matured lately - 2.0 is indeed really looking good.

    At any rate, it's always been my opinion that OSS programs can only get better when people are forced to USE them. When we see IBM forcing their employees to go down that road, I have no doubt that we will see some positive improvements in the way these programs operate.

    Years ago, Atari sold a line of personal computers and tried to promote them for business use by porting programs like Visicalc. Later it leaked out that all of Atari's corporate machines were PC's. No doubt this was true. There is a saying for this, it's called, 'Eating your own dog food'.

  • by winkydink ( 650484 ) * <sv.dude@gmail.com> on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:13PM (#11679357) Homepage Journal
    Some countries require that one's acounting system (subset of ERP) to be certified. Has Compierre met this requirement anywhere to date? Do the Big 4 in the US recognize that it has the proper controls?
  • by October_30th ( 531777 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:16PM (#11679385) Homepage Journal
    Software Engineering Institute (remember the CMM), National Research Council of Canada and the European Software Institute

    Uh... so, at least for us who are not in the software business but are interested in OSS anyway, it would be nice to know how much influence these institutes actually wield. Are they really "the business" as the subject let's us to believe or something else?

  • What is this? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Otter ( 3800 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:16PM (#11679392) Journal
    OK, I read the CMU COTS [cmu.edu] site, and their overview [cmu.edu] and still have no idea what the term means. (Some consolation is that the submitter himself, who seems to have attended the conference, doesn't seem to understand it either, judging from the assertion that there is "COTS software", not just software that can be implemented in a COTS approach.)

    Two things, though:

    1) This is hardly a declaration that "Business Considers..."

    2) There is a complete confusion of licensing ("open-source") with development practice ("commercially built").

  • Ouch (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:18PM (#11679419)
    Software Engineering Institute (remember the CMM)

    Ouch

    If there's one thing everyone at SEI is tired of if the CMM thing.

    If you've ever met someone from SEI you've probably blurted out "Oh, the CMM people", and got a response "We do more than CMM!". I know I've done it, and got the impression that they're sick and tired of it

    Just something to keep in mind if you meet one of them. Of course, I still don't know what else they've done :)
  • Haleluja ... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Savage-Rabbit ( 308260 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:18PM (#11679420)
    how IBM is determined to move to an open desktop based on Linux and OpenOffice within about a year.

    It's about time IBM took another whack at you know who .....

    Now let's hope this gets upgraded from the lowly status of a mere rumor to the lofty status of a fact and results in a flood of out-of-the-box fully Linux capable of Laptops. :-D
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:19PM (#11679429)
    I hope that the conclusions of this conference in Europe are not published for the entire world to see. High security computing is vital to the West, for that type of computing dominates in Western militaries. We definitely would not want to see China (which includes Taiwan province and Hong Kong) accessing such technology [phrusa.org].
  • Makes sense with ERP (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:21PM (#11679463)
    Most companies will pay multiples more in support than they ever do licensing run-time and source code. In some cases the out-of-the-box functionality is even less important than the support role since most ERP implementations are customized at some level. In many ERP cases, you are buying into a support relationship to run a critical aspect of your business. The actual software/platform is secondary.
  • EDMS. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:25PM (#11679504)
    So were are all the good open source EDMS [state.ny.us]?

  • by djmurdoch ( 306849 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:25PM (#11679506)
    The National Research Council of Canada is a federal government department, very influential in their own minds (but maybe not in anyone else's).

    Can't tell you anything about the others.
  • by Mad Hughagi ( 193374 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:28PM (#11679539) Homepage Journal
    National Research Council of Canada [www.nrc.ca]:

    NRC is composed of over 20 institutes and national programs, spanning a wide variety of disciplines and offering a broad array of services. We are located in every province in Canada and play a major role in stimulating community-based innovation.

    NRC institutes and programs are organized into three (3) key areas:

    * Physical Sciences and Engineering
    * Life Sciences and Information Technology
    * Technology and Industry Support
  • by gelfling ( 6534 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:44PM (#11679709) Homepage Journal
    There's certainly a few as noted here before, perhaps 10,000 albeit not well supported and still some birthing pains as well you could imagine with VPNs, Wireless, Lotus Notes, net meeting type apps and internal Web apps and Web Java apps. Just like any other large company with a large suite of internal applications.

    Moreover you could guess that taking machines out of service before end of lease, to replace the entire suite of software on them, then send them back, train people and staff a help desk for it is not really a rational goal.

    I don't think anyone thinks that migrating everyone or a large chunk of everyone from Win to Linux is going to be any easier than the migration from OS/2 to Win several years ago. And that was quite hard.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that your most difficult desktop users, the ones with the most complicated and inflexible requirements are the executives and if they have an app on Windows that absolutely must run the way they want it to run then that is what will happen. Period.

    Plus you'd be wasting all the monies you invested in desktop tools for AV and spyware if you suddenly didn't need or couldn't use them anymore.

    I think it's bravado to claim that there will be nothing but Linux desktops inside of one year.
  • Re:Summary (Score:4, Interesting)

    by rpozz ( 249652 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @02:49PM (#11679762)
    Yes, you got a Troll mod.

    I don't think there will, as such be a "year of Linux on the desktop". It will slowly crawl its way in. Firstly, to corporate desktops running nothing other than a word processor and spreadsheet, and then it'll make its way to the 'average' home user who uses it at work.

    That's how Microsoft took over, anyway. Would be nice if they got screwed in exactly the same way. However, hopefully it doesn't totally take over, so we're all left with a choice of OS.
  • Re:What is this? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by irritating environme ( 529534 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @03:12PM (#11680024)
    I was in a CMM L3 center in Minneapolis. They got certified at L3 at first review, an impressive accomplishment. My project was the case review for the cert.

    Notably, I wrote a lot of code on that project, maybe 25% overall, including much of the hard stuff, and my stuff was pointedly hidden from the reviewers, because I was bypassing paperwork in order to meet our strict deadline. But I eventually backfilled the most important stuff, and I would say that the certification was accurate.

    I have to say that any project that wants to work at CMM3 or higher had better have deep pockets. As they say, faster, cheaper, better, pick two (expect one). All of the personnel overhead to do process doubles your headcount, and slows the development time.

    CMM's main purpose is to measure the reliablility of the software produced by organizations, so I guess it implicitly selects faster better and chucks cheaper.
  • by museumpeace ( 735109 ) on Tuesday February 15, 2005 @03:49PM (#11680457) Journal
    In case you are wondering why one would bring DOD software acquisition practices into the comments here:
    1. COTS is DOD-speak for "boy are we ever glad we don't have to pay Raytheon's salary scales just to get a damn editor and OS". ...they invented the term.
    2. Guess who ulitmately puts up most of the money for and pays the most attention to guidelines promulgated by the SEI?

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