Opera Claims Microsoft Has Poor Interoperability 316
Noksagt writes "Opera CTO Hakon Lie has countered the claims that Bill Gates made regarding Microsoft's superior interoperability last week. He points out their invalid webpages, MS's unwillingness to serve the same content to different browsers, IE's poor CSS support, tardy documentation and limitations of their XML format, and more." From the article: "You say you believe in interoperability. Why then, did you terminate the Web Core Fonts initiative you started in 1996? You deserve credit for starting it, but why close down a project which could have given you yet much good will? (Verdana sucks, but Georgia is beautiful!)"
I speak for people *everywhere* when I say ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Sunny Dubey
(not a technical font person etc etc)
Re:I'm tired of Microsoft bashing (Score:1, Insightful)
Verdana (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft is not about using standards (Score:5, Insightful)
That is simply not true. From a customer perspective, I would rather have one good proprietary solution that serves my needs than a dozen mediocre but interoperable ones. I only need one at once!
Re:Microsoft is not about using standards (Score:5, Insightful)
It's also why ambiguous standards are bad. Anybody else read the little blurb a few years ago about how no browser (Netscape, IE, etc....) passed the standards test completely?
Re:No Shit (Score:0, Insightful)
Re:I'm tired of Microsoft bashing (Score:2, Insightful)
The smell of rot... (Score:5, Insightful)
Use sans-serif, don't hardcode fonts (Score:5, Insightful)
Verdana is so aught-one (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft is not about using standards (Score:4, Insightful)
A little Opera-centric (Score:2, Insightful)
It is nice to see Opera on the offensive (Score:3, Insightful)
What about google? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Opera Compatibility (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:You Dad Sucks Syndrome (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I speak for people *everywhere* when I say ... (Score:2, Insightful)
While many here at
Re:MS interoperability (Score:2, Insightful)
It is a low underhanded trick. But MicroBS gets away with it. Plus why use hotmail? It is the most limited email service out there....
Re:MS vs /. (Score:1, Insightful)
You can't get "more valid". An HTML document is either valid or it isn't. Neither Slashdot's HTML nor MSN's HTML is valid.
You can say that MSN's markup contains less errors, but that doesn't mean MSN is "more valid" than Slashdot.
"Poor CSS support" (Score:1, Insightful)
I expect CSS will be truely wonderful by the time version 4 or 5 comes around, but in the mean time, you dont get to complain when the big companies refuse to impliment that thing you made up. If MS thought 100% correct CSS implimentation would make their product work better, they would do it. I expect they will do it in the future, but simply making something "open" doesnt mean "and everyone who doesnt think it's the best way to do something is evil and being anti-competative"
Re:The Word 97 fiasco. (Score:5, Insightful)
It obviously won't repeat itself verbatim, but MS has other ways to do the same thing. There was, for example, the case when Word on OS-X didn't properly support Hebrew. The Microsoft Rep said that it just wasn't worth their time to upgrade it. They still refused when Israel offered to pay for the programmers to do the fix and promise a minimum number of sales to boot.
"Sorry -- No dice. Move to Windows
It wasn't untill Israel awarded a grant to port Open Office to OS-X and seriously threatened to cut off Microsoft's standing PO for the entire government that Microsoft relented and suddenly started negotiating in good faith.
Microsoft is a company that you can trust as far as you can throw them -- and they're big.