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Spammers Are Early Adopters of SPF Standard 249

nazarijo writes "In an article entitled Spammers using sender authentication too, study says, Infoworld reports that a study by CipherTrust shows that SPF and Sender ID (SID) aren't nearly as effective as we expected them to be when combatting spam. The reason? Spammers are able to publish their own records, too. 'Spammers are now better than companies at reporting the source of their e-mail,' says Paul Judge, noted spam researcher and CipherTrust CTO. Combined with low adoption rates of either SID or SPF (31 of the Fortune 1000 according to CipherTrust), this means that the common dream of SPF or SID clearing up the spam problem wont be coming true. Wong, one of the original authors of SPF and a co-author of SID, says that it was never intended to combat all spam. Weng, another researcher in the space, says that this is just one of the many pieces of the puzzle needed to combat spam. Various SID implementations exist, including a new one from Sendmail.net based on their milter API, making it easy for you to adopt SID and try this for yourself."
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Spammers Are Early Adopters of SPF Standard

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  • by CypherXero ( 798440 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:06PM (#10153624) Homepage
    OK, We need to change SMTP completely. It was created back when the internet was somewhat new, and spam e-mail was unheard of. The protocol itself needs a change.
  • The point of SPF (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pikine ( 771084 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:07PM (#10153631) Journal

    ... is not to block spam, but to identify the source of an e-mail. Spammers can definitely identify themselves if they so choose. I think it is still a welcoming trend.

  • by Carnildo ( 712617 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:07PM (#10153641) Homepage Journal
    Isn't putting up SPF records exactly what we want spammers to do? If they've got SPF records, running an RBL against spam domains should be easier and more accurate.
  • Wow (Score:2, Insightful)

    by FiReaNGeL ( 312636 ) <`moc.liamtoh' `ta' `l3gnaerif'> on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:08PM (#10153646) Homepage
    Spammers are like viruses, they adapt amazingly fast. You thought that this new technology would hinder their 'business', but they turn it to their advantage! Oh look, a valid sender ID... i'll just open this mail, it can't be spam, right? Right?

    Oh well, at least filters are getting VERY good at catching 99% of it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:08PM (#10153656)
    What it does end is domain spoofing (joe jobs), and it adds a level of accountability. If spammers are using their real domains, great. We go to their registrars, most of which have anti-spammer policies, and we get it yanked. If it costs the spammers money, it's a good thing.
  • by hypnagogue ( 700024 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:10PM (#10153661)
    The point of SPF was not to eliminate spam, but to eliminate spoofing. If successful, this is enables effective and cheap spam filtering by forcing spammers to use domains that can easily be blacklisted.

    In other words, SPF is working correctly, brighter tomorrow expected, move along, nothing to see here.
  • by Manip ( 656104 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:12PM (#10153681)
    SenderID is not designed to combat spam (although many uninformed individuals think it is), it was designed to fix a fundamental problem with the E-Mail system.

    You can not guarantee that an E-Mail originated from the source it said it did.

    Which effectively makes black-lists useless.

    With SenderIDs you are able to build effective Black-Lists/White-Lists because you can guarantee that an E-Mail came from the location it said it did. And thus decrease the amount of spam.

    I'm not sure who wrote this 'study' but the fact that I know more than them says a lot.
  • by Otto ( 17870 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:13PM (#10153700) Homepage Journal
    If spammers are now forced to identify themselves in their emails, by means of having a domain and publishing SPF records for that domain, then good.

    That was the entire point.

    In combination with anti-spam laws, now we have the ability to actually identify the spammers flooding our inboxes and take legal action against them for doing so.

    There is no technological means that will allow random people to email you and yet prevent them from emailing you spam. Technology is simply not capable of distinguishing spam from non-spam with a 100% success rate. We can get really close, but there will always be false-positives and false-negatives in any system. And any system is vulnerable to clever hacking around the filter. You can make it terribly difficult to do so, but you can't make it impossible.

    The goal of SPF never was to stop spam, it was to force somebody who sends you email to be accountable for doing so, by providing a method to track down who they are. At least, it's a good start for this sort of thing.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:19PM (#10153760)
    this is enables effective and cheap spam filtering by forcing spammers to use domains that can easily be blacklisted

    And we all know how effective blacklists are, right?

    The problem with SPF is that it breaks one of the features of SMTP that makes it useful - the ability to send mail from a different location without having to change your email address. If my employer implemented SPF, I wouldn't be able to send work email from home.

    If blacklists are the ultimate answer, RBLs are much more effective at stopping spam, and they don't break any features of SMTP.
  • by ZorbaTHut ( 126196 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:24PM (#10153793) Homepage
    How would you change it?

    Why can't these changes be integrated into SMTP-as-we-know-it?

    It's all very nice to say "it needs to change", but until you explain why changing it is the best solution - or even vaguely useful - it's not going to happen.
  • by coyote-san ( 38515 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:25PM (#10153802)
    There are four separate "spam" problems:
    • Unsolicited but legal mail from a legitimate mail server
    • Unsolicited mail (legal or not) from hijacked systems, open mail relays, etc.
    • Viruses
    • Fradulent mail

    SPF can be circumvented in the ways we're already seeing for the first category, but it should knock out the second two (and probably related) problems.

    As for the final one... law enforcement may still not take phishing seriously. But I bet Citibank, US Bank, et al do. They're probably losing millions of dollars cleaning up the mess left by phishers, and that money would go a long way towards making phisher's lives miserable and cautionary tales for others. These organizations are large enough that phishers can't even hide behind international borders - piss of Citibank by protecting phishers and that bank may decide that it's not worth doing any business in your country.

  • by YankeeInExile ( 577704 ) * on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:33PM (#10153847) Homepage Journal

    Well, a quick off-the-cuff idea is thus: Expand SPF or its moral equivalent to offer a web-of-trust style interface. That is: Each piece of email comes with a pointer that says, in effect, This piece of email is from mydomain.com ... people who think that mydomain.com is cool are yourisp.com otherisp.com white-hat-geeks.net

    So, I suppose what I'm proposing is a distributed whitelist.

  • by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak@ y a hoo.com> on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:34PM (#10153865) Homepage Journal
    First, the two quoted experts are Weng and Wong. If somebody posts that they both work at Wang, I am going to scream.


    Second, I'd have thought that it would be obvious that trivial authentication would be useless. It's like using the existance of an X.509 certificate as proof that a site is genuine, notwithstanding that anybody can download a roll-your-own certification program and generate their own.


    Third, it's ironic that corporations (who lose millions, if not billions, to fraud each year) aren't the least bit interested in authentication of any kind, whereas spammers (who probably make a very livable income from fraud) are adopting it in droves.


    This last one is the most bothersome. Many (but by no means all) corporate websites use SSL for credit card info, but that's about it. And even then, usually only the server has a certificate. Client-side authentication is extremely rare.


    Even for business-to-business networking, where you would have thought it very important that both ends of the connection are who they say they are, it's extremely rare to find even the most basic of security measures. IPSec? Kerberos? Nah. I've worked for companies - and even Government agencies - that were quite confident that their .rhosts file would only allow legit users access to their computers.


    It's a sad day, when the only e-mail you can be sure is genuine is the e-mail that's pure crap.

  • by Carnildo ( 712617 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:34PM (#10153866) Homepage Journal
    Assumed it takes an hour to add a domain to an automated blacklist. I think it could be done in five minutes or so, but let's be generous:

    24 domains/day * 365 days/year * $12/domain = $105,120

    That's a hundred thousand dollars they didn't used to need to spend each year. Automated blacklisting in five minutes boosts the costs to well over a million dollars a year.
  • by AtOMiCNebula ( 660055 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:36PM (#10153884) Journal
    But now, spammers have to invest money in what they're doing. It doesn't matter if it's much or not, but it is something. It's more than what they were paying before, so unless they don't mind cutting into their profit margins, they're going to be affected by this.

    Compare what it used to be with how it is now. It used to be that spammers could use any domain they want. Now they can only use domains they own (assuming they're using SPF), and as soon as one domain is RBL'd, they're going to need another domain. More work for the spammers. And more cost too.

    What I'm trying to say is that, yes, domains are cheap. But now they're paying for domains that they didn't have to before.
  • by Wesley Felter ( 138342 ) <wesley@felter.org> on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:44PM (#10153932) Homepage
    'nuff said.
  • by Titusdot Groan ( 468949 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:44PM (#10153934) Journal
    SPF was not, by itself, intended to stop spam. It was intended to stop spoofing and phishing (ie. somebody claiming to be from Citi Bank asking you to update your info).

    However, once SPF is adopted it allows several things:

    1. Whitelisting of well known domains that use spf (eg. ge.com, ibm.com, etc)
    2. Blacklisting of well known spammers who use spf (ie. workable rbls)
    3. More aggressive spam content filtering of everybody who isn't using SPF -- after all you've whitelisted a LOT of the important people already.

    I fully expect the anti-spam vendors to eventually come up with reliable whitelists based upon SPF eventually.

  • by forevermore ( 582201 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:46PM (#10153954) Homepage
    The point of SPF is ... to identify the source of an e-mail

    This point needs to be emphasized. The whole point of SPF is to prevent spammers from falsifying return addresses. If they want to publish their own legitimate SPF records, then by all means let them. Then we can just block them by their domain names without any fear of blocking legitimate email.

  • by CodeMaster ( 28069 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:52PM (#10153985)
    Exactly the point. I'd love to see that the spam I get is tagged with SPF - will make scripting and filtering the spam even easier with a way to actually track down precisely where the spam is coming from.

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  • by mattdm ( 1931 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @06:54PM (#10153999) Homepage
    Sounded more like:

    "The laws of Newton and Kepler don't explain the orbit of Mercury. This whole 'science' stuff needs to change. It was created a long time ago, and it's time to throw it all out and start with something new."

    Maybe that's not flamebait, but it is silly. Changing theories to match new data metaphorically maps very well to adding SPF to SMTP -- not to throwing the whole thing away.
  • by Prong ( 190135 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @07:19PM (#10154188)
    You are partially correct. It does marginally increase the cost of doing business for spammers, but remember that the major spam houses have the capital to lease major bandwidth, and have for some time. Having to madly swap domains to get is only going to swamp smaller spammers with enough extra cost to kill them. The big boys are going to keep chugging along, and the big boys are the biggest source of spam (obviously).

    What I like about SPF is that as larger ISPs adopt it, I can stop worrying about accidently filtering their domains just because of the domain name on the From: header. I'm fully aware I'm still going to have to filter, but it's nice to know that "tightvagina@yahoo.com" actually came from an authorized Yahoo mail server. Combine that with any number of of rational filtering schemes, and you have a much lower false positive rate, with the bonus being that you didn't have to take the whole message from a sender who fails the SPF check.

  • by moreati ( 119629 ) <alex@moreati.org.uk> on Friday September 03, 2004 @07:29PM (#10154272) Homepage
    I never claimed SPF will be an end to spam, as long as we have the possibility of unsolicited mail some of that unsolicited mail will be unwanted (spam, malware or other).

    SPF is intended to vastly reduce spam from it's current levels. If it's use were widespread then all the zombies spewing out mail with forged addresses & all the open relays become much less effective.

    Basically by making From address spoofing much much harder it becomes much easier to identify spammers and stomp on them.

    We can never completely remove the incentive to spam, it's a very extreme example of the Last Mile Problem. There will always be a few morons out of the millions, who pay money for PEN!S 3NL4RGM£NT P!LL5 after receiving a piece of Spam. All we can do is reduce the incentive and increase the costs to the spammers - by identifying then blacklisting, suing, arresting and cluebatting them into the ground.
  • This is well-known (Score:3, Insightful)

    by suwain_2 ( 260792 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @09:17PM (#10154845) Journal
    The reason? Spammers are able to publish their own records, too.

    From the moment SPF was implemented, people knew that this could happen. SPF doesn't aim to stop spam outright, it aims to HELP stop spam.

    First off, if SPF is used, it cuts out 'joe jobs.' I can't send you mail purporting to be from Yahoo through a mass mailer on my desktop, because SPF will catch it.

    I see two issues with spam:
    a.) Annoying commerical advertisements
    b.) The above, sent fraudulently

    SPF helps to cut out the second. If spammers send me spam, but do it from their own domain, it's still not hard to block them.

    No one (that knew what they were talking about) ever claimed that SPF was a cure-all for spam. All it aimed to do was make spammers stop forging their addresses. And it sounds like it's succeeding.
  • by cbreaker ( 561297 ) on Friday September 03, 2004 @09:31PM (#10154891) Journal
    There's... ohh, you know. An unlimited amount of domain names you can have. Spammer sends out a few spam "campaigns" and simply changes domain names, SPF and all.

    It won't help anything. Many of them will use stolen credit cards, or register under other false information, register 300 domains, and use them until they are blocked. Then move on.

    So the problem of scanning each and every e-mail for spammishness will still prevail.
  • Fine by me (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Saturday September 04, 2004 @03:11AM (#10156196)
    Because it can be automated. SPAM filtering software would work as such: If a sufficient amount of messages with valid SPF data from a given domain are marked as SPAM, block the domain from further sending.

    True, this doesn't stop those inital messages, but it gets all the rest and cuts down on the number. One needs not eliminate SPAM enitrely, just reduce it to a level where it's unprofitable. If software becomes good to the point that only 1 in 100,000 SPAM messages reach a person, that'll severely cut profits, making it much less attractive.

    Also if the spammers start breaking more laws like using stolen credit cards, it just increases their chances of getting busted. Every time you break the law, it's another chance you get caught. Do it all the time, it becomes almost a sure thing.

    SPAM prosecution is still new and those responsible for prosecuting it still have problems understanding how to go about that really. Credit card fraud is old hat and they are pros. Plenty of people get put away for credit card fraud. Also, usually when you get nailed for something in relation to another crime, they stack everything they can on you.

    It's not a panacea, but SPF sounds like another useful tool.

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