Akamai: How They Fought Recent DDoS Attacks 231
yootje writes "Infoworld is running an interesting article about Akamai and the DDoS attack that hit the network of Akamai Tuesday. According to this article one of the defenses of Akamai is the big diversity of their hardware: 'We deliberately use different operating systems, different name server implementations, different kinds of routers, different kinds of switches, different kinds of CPUs, and especially, different operational procedures.' So says Paul Vixie, architect of BIND and president of the ITC." Yootje points to another article on this subject as well, this one at Internetnews.com. Update: 07/07 19:38 GMT by T : Note that Vixie's quote here is actually presented out of context; he was commenting by way of contrast on the diversity of the root DNS servers, not Akamai's content-serving system.
Trade-Off (Score:5, Insightful)
security by obscurity.. (Score:4, Insightful)
intentional or not (Score:4, Insightful)
They survived the attack and "Oh yea, we MEANT for it to happen that way".
I think it's spin.
Submitters and Editors, RTFA! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Trade-Off (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:security by obscurity.. (Score:5, Insightful)
But servers B, C, D, E, F, G, etc are immune to your attacks on server A. To take down the root servers, you'd need to simultaneosly come up with 12 different exploits to knock each one of them out. Which makes it 12 times more difficult.
It's more proof of what I've always said, there is no "perfectly secure" OS in existence.
This is an ad! (Score:5, Insightful)
Most of this "article" is a puff-piece (or paid advert) for one "CloudShield Technologies," pimping their (vaporware) "server for applications that do deep packet processing at gigabit-per-second rates."
-Isaac
Re:security by obscurity.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Trade-Off (Score:5, Insightful)
IMHO, when it comes to providing IT services, if you are not paranoid, you are crazy.
Re:Trade-Off (Score:4, Insightful)
Life versus death?
What you want out of backups and backup systems isn't so much that they are as good as or better than the primary systems, but that they are as independent as possible. Backing up OpenBSD to Windows 95 is not as stupid as it looks.
Re:Sys admins (Score:5, Insightful)
I know you were trying to be sarcastic, but I bet that they indeed do prefer things this way.
When the pager goes off at 3AM that there's a suspected new worm attacking your dos-based systems, it's nice to simply turn them off and let the other systems handle the load until morning when you can investigate the problem at your leisure.
Authors should try readin the article (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, according to the article the diversity approach is part of what's used to defend the DNS root servers, not Akamai. Vixie specifically mentions that this approach is not practical for an ordinary content provider like Akamai because, 'the cost would "drive their accountants crazy."' I'm dubious about just how helpful diversity would be against a DDoS attack in the first place. Diversity won't solve the problem of requests coming in faster than they can be processed.
Re:Quote misattributed (Score:2, Insightful)
Remember.. [insert product here] is free if your time is worthless.
Neko
Re:Trade-Off (Score:5, Insightful)
In their case maintaining a hybrid infrastructure makes perfect sense.
Remote exploit in IOS? No problem, the Juniper/Extreme/Linux/OpenBSD router in failover config takes over while patching goes on.
And if you are maintaining a massive hybrid infrastructure like that you will likely have the people and processes to handle security issues/patches.
Security through obscurity.. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:intentional or not (Score:3, Insightful)
Maybe so, but there's a kernal of truth there. Diversity in biological systems produces robustness. If you have a rich genetic code in a species, you're more likely to have a subset of the population that will survive a new virus, disease, etc. Given the complexity of networked computer systems, is it really that surprising that we're finding certain survival techniques which work well in nature work well when applied in alternative environments?
That idea's not new, and it's not well-defined. However, I would certainly like to see it made more precise and analyzed so that we can see just what, really, lies at the bottom of that otherwise vague analogy.
Gee-Wiz hardware will never win. (Score:5, Insightful)
I wish the net was headed in the right direction, but it's not. No single site or company will ever "win". The resilience of the web lies in it's redundancy and distribution. What I see is continued centralization and creation of points of failure. As "Broadband" internet access is more monopolized and treated as a platform for mindless browsing, and smaller ISPs are destroyed, the net is being squeezed into fewer and fewer hands. This invites attacks that can not be protected against. The real solution is to let everyone run everthing they want. That's the only way to route around damage.
Attacking Akamai with a DDoS... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Trade-Off (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Trade-Off (Score:4, Insightful)
I just have one question: what exactly do the slashdot editors do? I thought they were there to screen incoming submissions. But obviously they don't. Basically, if that's their only job, they suck at it.
Re:Trade-Off (Score:5, Insightful)
If I have 1,000 troops, if I keep them all in the same fort, they will be a formidable force, unless I find the right weapon (like a nuke). If I keep them in 10 different forts spready throughout the country, although each one of them is more vulnerable individually, I have eliminated the possibility of everything being wiped out in a single blow.
Re:Quote misattributed (Score:5, Insightful)
If you have not realized that every place is a classroom, then, my friend, you have not learned a single thing.
Re:Sys admins (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Attacking Akamai with a DDoS... (Score:1, Insightful)
Yootje Points? (Score:2, Insightful)
By the way, which one of the articles is it that says Akamai did anything right to fight attacks?
Article isn't about the DDOS (Score:3, Insightful)
nobody read anything (Score:4, Insightful)
the editors did not rtfa
and after the first five posts pointing this out, it was obvious that nobody was reading the responses either.
nobody was reading anything, and now we have a 1000 responses saying the same thing, it wasn't akamai, it was the root servers, blah blah blah.
Re:Sys admins (Score:1, Insightful)
I know you were trying to be sarcastic, but I bet that they indeed do prefer things this way.
When the pager goes off at 3AM that there's a suspected new worm attacking your dos-based systems, it's nice to simply turn them off and let the other systems handle the load until morning when you can investigate the problem at your leisure.
Actually, they love it because when the pager goes off at 3AM, they know the backups are able to take over so they can work on what is causing the problem, and have everything back up and running by 8:00am when the boss walks through the door. Otherwise they end up scrambling at 3:00am to get something, _anything_, up and running so your critical services can be restored BEFOR working on the problem at hand.
Re:Sys admins (Score:5, Insightful)
Who the atech-ee-double-hockey-sticks runs "dos-based" systems anymore? I thought Microsoft abandoned the technology starting in 1995, and I personally submitted the "official end of life for DOS support" article to Slashdot several years ago.
We run heterogenious systems and support them because they provide different benefits and features for our many needs. Sometimes Windows OS servers actually are cheaper, more stable, and easier to support than their Unix counterparts. Sometimes not.
For instance, we have WebSphere running on Solaris and AIX as an app server platform, and it is great for high volume and failover. But we spend far more time (proportionally) troubleshooting that technology (and the hundred or so servers that run it) than the
Just my anecdotal experience.
Re:Read the fucking article before submitting it (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Fuck (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Diversity Doesn't Refer to Akamai at All (Score:5, Insightful)
Paul should shut up about this topic. Companies should not go commenting about attacks made against their competitors - period.
His statement about the root servers is way off base. Only four of the 13 servers stayed up and the software running on them did not affect the outcome in any way. Most of the servers that went down were running a version of BIND as were two of the servers that stayed up. The other two roots were running ATLAS which is the ultimate in closed source proprietary systems, nobody outside VeriSign has seen the executable, let alone the source code.
I don't see how anyone could draw any conclusions either way on the basis of this sample. The distinguishing feature was the bandwidth available to the systems, not the software they run.
Paul should think more and speak to journalists less.