Custom DVDs & Players For Academy Members 266
xyankee writes "In an effort to curtail the piracy and bootlegging of DVD screeners, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has endorsed a plan to distribute about 6,000 special DVD players to members that will play specially encrypted screener discs that would be earmarked for a specific academy voter and would play only on that person's machine. The Associated Press has the full story, while Laurence Roth, VP and co-founder of Cinea, Inc., the company behind the technology, says 'the discs, by themselves, cannot be hacked.'"
lol (Score:3, Insightful)
Setting themselves up for a MONSTROUS fall there...
Security (Score:4, Insightful)
Probably gonna be redundant.. but.. (Score:5, Insightful)
One word... (Score:5, Insightful)
Took em long enough... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, it isn't foolproof, but at least they're trying a reasonable solution, instead of poking everybody's eyes out with lawyers.
Re:lol (Score:5, Insightful)
somebody just invented a good way to milk money off from mpaa..
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Re:Security (Score:2, Insightful)
PGP style (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Riiiiight.... (Score:5, Insightful)
No it isn't. You are half remembering the rule for one time pads (not any time of encryption) that you should never use the a one time pad twice.
Re:Probably gonna be redundant.. but.. (Score:5, Insightful)
(hell, I would be VERY surprised if piracy hurt major mpaa members more than what the license costs for macrovisions shit protections have cost them over the years)
Won't stop a thing! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Probably gonna be redundant.. but.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Has everyone forgotten that all you need to get around it is a TV monitor with video out as well?
KFG
Re:lol (Score:4, Insightful)
You might not be aware of this, but one reason for certain pay TV stations being hacked as easily as it was (and I'm not talking about analog "encryption") was that sufficient information leaked.
And as stated elsewhere: There's still the analog output. Sure, they might put have in some watermarking. They most likely did. But I frankly doubt that there is something like *robust* watermarking for audio and video without significantly impair the signal quality, thus causing noticeable artefacts. (If there is, I'd love to see a pointer to scientifical papers, cause I'm quite interested in such methods myself.)
A solution in 1 second (Score:4, Insightful)
DRM... MacroVision... special players & MAYBE one day special TVs... totally useless as long as the ultimate goal is to watch the movie... with unprotected human eyes
just take a digital camera, point it at the TV screen... et voila! Sure, won't be DVD quality, but, in home conditions, the quality will beat telesync =)
Re:Riiiiight.... (Score:3, Insightful)
It gets easier the more discs you have, though, since then you end up in the realm of differential cryptanalysis.
Also, they seem to be most worried about the academy members themselves - and they still get to see the movies (plaintext!). Even if they're mostly worried about academy member's evil nieces that they might have obliviously handed DVDs to in the past, what's to say members won't lend DVDs+the special player to their friends and family now?
3 acedemy members acting in cahoots can also defeat watermarking efforts - simply compare the three streams and throw away any artifacts that appear in only 1 stream. This would probably be even easier to do when you (have to) depend on analogue outputs. It only makes the challenge greater.
But perhaps they're not worried about academy members, all those DVD screeners that get onto the web are all down to dumpster-diving fiends who get access to one disk, no player.
Re:Riiiiight.... (Score:5, Insightful)
I suggest that if the academy is prepared to swallow the expense of handing out the players (+ the bitching of members who have to play movies on it when their home cinema systems already has a player), they'll have a very workable security system.
Re:how long (Score:4, Insightful)
They story says that they'd have on-screen indications of who's tape it was too. Probably something along the lines of a text across the screen somewhere saying "Screener serial# 123456".
Making a new disk isn't impossible. I've been toying with my DirecTiVo. It has wonderful outputs to go to my receiver, but not really good outputs for recording. I bought a DVD recorder, and got creative with the wiring. Now I get S-Video in, but I'm still lacking on the audio. The DirecTiVo has the choices of digital fiber optic, or L&R RCA jacks, and the DVD recorder doesn't have a digital fiber input (I couldn't find any with that). It still makes very nice DVD's.
Once I make the DVD, it's not a really hard task to take the resulting disk and edit as needed, such as blocking over whatever is indicating who's disk it is. That may be an unreasonable task, if the text is in the middle of the screen.
I can't imagine too many Academy Awards judges wanting to go through all the bother to release a bootlegged video though. I think their trouble comes when they loan it to friends, who make copies for friends, who make copies for friends (etc, etc).
It still doesn't remove the possibility of a slightly corrupt theater manager setting up a digital video camera in the booth beside the projector and hooking into their sound board, and getting an almost perfect copy of a movie though. They could still get a movie on the Internet the night before it's released to theaters.
The Big Studios should love it.... (Score:4, Insightful)
"So you are a small indie studio with that incredible good movie (just picked up all prizes in the european festivals).
Sorry, if you can't pay a few megabucks for the license & machines and some more kilobucks for making a few thousand individual watermarked DVDs, then the academy award is not for you.
We hope for your understanding, but we have to protect the interests of our good clients from the MPAA who are in in for business and have no problem of paying these small academy consideration fees. Thank you!
Best Regards,
Mr. Big Boss of Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
DIVX does make sense (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:is this actually going to help? (Score:3, Insightful)
Secure yet waste of money (Score:4, Insightful)
My understanding is that the DVD and player are matched. Each DVD can only be played on one player. This means that even if a DVD escapes, it likely cannot easily be played elsewhere. If a copy of the movie is made, then it was probably off the Academy Member's machine, and there is probably some way to identifiy the member based on artifacts within the movie.. This is quite different from the current situation in which a member can just claim that the disk was 'lost',
And yet one must wonder about the reason to go through such expense. Buying $6,0000 customizable DVD player that are hardened against attack cannot be cheap. Making sure that none of the unassigned DVD players hit the street must be expensive. Producing 60000 custom DVD cannot be cheap. From a bidness point of view, is there a real ROI from these costs? The theaters continue to rack up sales at astronimical rates. DVD sales continue at equal an equal nerve wrenching pace. But for some reason the Academy wants to concentrate on the management of custom DVD players rather than the creative act of making film. Madness.
Re:lol (Score:3, Insightful)
Cinea will invest several million dollars to make and distribute the DVD players to academy members and possibly to movie critics and other awards groups.
So, wait. The mpaa has millions to spend on this new way to prevent piracy? I thought they were losing money out the ass! (they'll have to reimburse Cinea somehow - so the mpaa is really paying the millions for the DVD players and the encryption)
Sounds like they need to read this [craphound.com].
Another Screen/Recording Unit (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Security (Score:5, Insightful)
I think this has quite a good chance of being secure.
Anybody that starts with that assumption, or the stated and equally unlikely "cannot be hacked" has already lost whatever battle they imagined they were fighting. There are probably more holes in making the discs than there are in distributing them. How many hands does a film pass through before it even gets to be a master copy waiting to be encrypted?
Re:lol (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:is this actually going to help? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:6000 members of the Academy... (Score:3, Insightful)
most of them are decept people who only get paid ONCE for a movie - its just a tiny group who keep getting paid over and over and over for a job done once. They are rich. The others, not so much.
And how many among those 6000, who are has-beens with an expensive coke habit and a penchant for high-priced hookers, will have a problem with letting somebody hack their copy and dvd player?
Re:Not really... (Score:2, Insightful)
Why are you so sure?
Time and again people have chosen laughably weak crypto algorithms and then plastered them with impressive-sounding quotes like "the discs, by themselves, cannot be hacked."
They might have used a decent algorithm. But I'd put the odds at only about 50/50.
The OP is right; they're really setting themselves up for a fall.
The point isn't that it might be hacked (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:PGP style (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Riiiiight.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Riiiiight.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Even in these days of rottentomatoes.com, it could be worse if mere informed opinion about their latest US$150M stinker was to circulate for months before the official release date.
For example, I would have gone to see Kill Bill or LoTR on the big screen even if I'd had the DVD for months -- probably more so, in fact. The better the movie, the less it need fear from piracy.
While I think that piracy is petty more than anything -- but then I only see 4-5 films a year -- I'm probably not alone in seeing cinema now more as a special experience that maximises the impact of the films that deserve to be viewed immersively.
Re:Riiiiight.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Every time... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:The Rube Goldburg Bypass (Score:2, Insightful)
Have you forgotten that we aren't discussing "people", but rather members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Frickin' Sciences?
I think any of them that are sufficiently motivated and skilled to rip a DVD in the first place can handle plugging a VCR into the video out jacks.
KFG