Gator Files for IPO to Raise $150 Million 460
michalas writes "Wired reports on the IPO filing of adware/spyware kings Claria who have recently changed their name from Gator.
Claria on Thursday filed for an initial public offering to raise $150 million to continue developing its 'behavioral marketing platform.' Claria had a net income of $35 million on revenues of $90 million in 2003. In addition, Claria said it has 43 million active users and 425 advertisers."
When Pigs Fly... (Score:4, Insightful)
Of course, then they'll have their money for development except by that time every person with a computer will have purchased a share of stock to keep that crap off their system...in which case there would be no reason for them to continue development of the software, and really have no reason for them to continue to exist as a company.
Heck, where do I sign up for that?
I remember seeing a comment earlier about how Microsoft buys up companies and shuts them down or kills off the technology. Maybe MSFT could do us all a favor, buy them out, and shut them down? It's probably one of the few humane things to do...
Comment removed (Score:5, Funny)
Plan... (Score:3, Funny)
Step 2: Coerce/Beg/Convince MSFT and others to license AdAware & include it in a free "update"
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit and maybe hang out with Martha Stewart for awhile.
Damn... didn't think this thru. She'd make me giver her my shirt to make a "Nice Ghetto Chic" throw rug.
But really, how do we screw this up for them?
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:5, Insightful)
The sad fact is that most people don't read _any_ text in any box that pops up on the screen. They just zero in on the "yes" "no" "cancel" boxes and randomly pick whichever one they think will make the pop-up go away the quickest.
I mean, they were _trying to read_ something. They can't be bothered to change their train of thought and deal with this new mumbo-jumbo that just appeared on their screen.
T
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:5, Interesting)
You have an excellent point. I was going to post asking if Gator and other adware were really still extremely common. It's been a long time since I had Gator (Claria?)-ware on my computer. But you're right most people don't read anything they are asked on a computer. The only reason I have not gotten this stuff is because I have taken steps to prevent it. (Using ad-aware, using pop-up blockers, the obvious stuff) I guess many, many people have not took the 'obvious' steps.
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:5, Informative)
Very common.
At my work there is a childcare center. Their systems are always inundated with spyware. I happened to be facilitating a network migration for them so one day I found myself sitting in front of some of their workstations. I could hardly use the thing. Since I was stuck there anyway (and I needed a clean machine to make sure the migration was successfull), I blew a couple hours installing ad-aware and cleaning the things out. It was a real fight. The sad thing is that their funding doesn't allow for the same level of support enjoyed by the rest of the center.
They're not alone.
Whenever I'm digging through firewall or network traffic logs, I have to grep out all the spyware crap. It's all over our enterprise. And any time we mention this to user, they're shocked. They're more than glad to admit they installed some little app. They're clueless that it dialed home. And more than glad to whack the offending app in question once they understand what's going on.
Gator relies on the oblivious user. And the world is full of them. In spades.
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:3, Insightful)
This little oversight has been patched by PopUpCop [popupcop.com]. While the Google toolbar already protects us from most pop-up windows, the pesky software installation prompts only go away with something such as this.
The less than $20 pricepoint might be just in the budget of a childcare center too.
Jouni
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:3, Informative)
I'd say it's getting worse.
I just did a little free consulting for the owner of the building I used to work on, his nephew, and one of their former clients forced out of the country by the Bush administration (don't ask). Cookies aside, they were averaging roughly 20 spyware infestations and a worm each. Gator / Claria was on all five machines, along with a host of other assorted malware.
Perhaps it just seems like
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:5, Interesting)
"Always trust content from 'Click Yes To Enter LTD'?"
And in the blurb:
"By clicking yes you agree to have software installed on your computer that will dial up a premium rate phone line at a cost of 1.50 GBP a minute. You can disconnect by clicking on the Disconnect button or the connection will automatically disconnect after 13.33 minutes."
Oh yeah and the source of this was a popup for some flash game site that said 'When the certificate pops up click yes to be able to play our huge selection of games! It came up when I was on www.cooking.com looking for a recipe for good roast potatoes. Obviously I prevented myself from downloading this crapware, but I still won't be visiting that site again.
Re:Why isn't there a freeware version? (Score:4, Interesting)
Such programs are really only a shade away from being a legalized virus. Unfortunately there's already legislation brewing - which, like most recent laws, will either be ineffective, make life more difficult for legitimate developers, or shackle us with even more Draconian copyright laws.
My own solution would be to make the CEO of any spyware/adware company personally come over and remove the software from anyone's PC who didn't want it.
Re:Why isn't there a freeware version? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's the problem when you have spy-/ad-ware masquerading as legitimate software being offered third-party to a nearly computer illiterate culture. Let's face it, the majority of the people who own computers don't upkeep them like they should, and so Gator and their ilk can claim members. If the general populace knew enough to do basic maintenance, it would slash these farcical "active user" numbers, not to mention make my job easier.
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:When Pigs Fly... (Score:5, Interesting)
No... What they have is a risky business plan that is working well right now. The courts have never decided where to draw the line on the insidious behavior of foistware. I think it's pretty clear that if you download some software and in the clickable EULA you agree to have Gator installed as a payload, they have a right to install their junk on your machine. However, the only time I've been infected with Gator is through an ActiveX exploit. There was nothing that I agreed to, and there was no notification that their stuff was being installed. I didn't even realize it until later on when some of the "utilities" that are supposed to make people like Gator were automatically installed. The "fun" I had cleaning this all up and installing Ad-aware and Spybot S&D is what finally convinced me to never use IE again unless it was on my corporate intranet. And I firmly believe that given a real test in the courts, this will be classified as breaking into a private computer system and/or malicious hacking. Once this happens, you can expect them to die a quick death from the subsequent lawsuits.
Implanted in every stock certificate (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Implanted in every stock certificate (Score:3, Funny)
Must be entertaining to track them thru the sewers...
SB
Revolutionary equation (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Revolutionary equation (Score:3, Interesting)
Wow! (Score:2, Funny)
Suckers. Big-time suckers.
They only deserve to lose their money.
I don't think so (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I don't think so (Score:4, Funny)
Don't forget the 71 million ticked off ex-users.
Re:I don't think so (Score:4, Insightful)
What, you thought that uninstaller actually did anything?
Re:I don't think so (Score:3, Funny)
Re:I don't think so (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I don't think so (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I don't think so (Score:5, Funny)
1. Build up spyware company and infect millions of clueless people's PCs with your crappy software.
2. Change name and then sell stock, ranting about how many "active users" your product services.
3. Flee the country with ill-gotten gains.
4. Profit! (Assuming you picked a country without good extradition treaties with the U.S.)
Re:I don't think so - Invoice Gator? (Score:3, Interesting)
1. Persuade judge to install a program that does some frivolous thing (eg. changes wallpaper every hour) and bundles gator along with a 45 page EULA from hell.
2a. Watch them skip EULA without reading it.
OR
2b. Time how long it takes for them to read and fully understand EULA.
3. Convince judge that such EULA's are a crock and no ordinary person would bother reading and comprehending such an EULA, especially for such a frivolous , free, program.
4. Profit from lawsuit.
Claria's "users" (Score:5, Insightful)
I think 'infected computers' would be more likely. Whenever I tell people I can make those pop-ups stop by running Ad-aware, they are more than happy to remove themselves from this list of 'active users.'
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:3, Interesting)
I noticed my dad had it at one point too (although I think he may have installed Kazaa). Anyway, he now runs Ad Aware regularly, and he is absolutely paranoid about cookies (me, I just allow them, then batch delete then every week or two).
-a
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:3, Informative)
I couldn't run AdAware because it hung on my IE cookies. I couldn't clean my IE cookies because a running process was using half of them. I had to drop to Safe Mode to clean out the cookies before AdAware could do its thing to clean up the mess.
I know I must have accidently clicked a "Yes" when I should have clicked a "No" somewhere in the last few days. The number of sites tryin
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:3, Informative)
The adware supported DivX does as well, though they offer an adware free version on that site with not as many bells and whistles. There's a lot of other apps that do as well.
Reading the EULA used to be something people bypassed. Now it's a necessity.
Although I think hiding install info in the EULA is crap. The installer should show all applications being installed right from the beginning. Anything not implicitly listed at the install screen should be treated
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:4, Informative)
Now that it's so easy, I'm actually controlling my cookies. (IE has a 'zone' implementation but since you have to go to the control panel to use it AFAIK, it's nearly useless.)
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:5, Informative)
You'd think that (and so would I), but we'd be wrong. There are a huge number of users who like that thing, and complain if anti-spyware sofware removes it (I know because I work at an anti-spyware company, and Gator is one of the ones we have to tread lightly with, because so many users actually want the damned thing).
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Claria's "users" (Score:3, Informative)
To do this, it has to send the URL to the Google servers which send back the information. This makes a lot of sense if you think about it. If you want to look for something on eBay you have to tell the eBay servers what you want. If you want to look up something on Wikipedia the Wikipedia servers must know what you are looking for.
On top of that, Google puts up
Active users? (Score:5, Funny)
...of those 43 million "active users" only three are actually aware that they are running Claria's "product".
43 million active users (Score:5, Funny)
Re:43 million active users (Score:3, Funny)
Modern-day Bounty Hunting (Score:4, Funny)
Dyslexia check... (Score:2)
Gates Files for IPO...
And wondered if my flux capacitor had self-activated.
From an investment standpoint... (Score:2)
I don't have much to invest, but I would probably invest in this company if I did. Like I care about what they do - I use Linux as my primary OS anyway.
Then again, the second they start developing crapware for Linux is the second I will not consider investing in them
Re:From an investment standpoint... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:From an investment standpoint... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:From an investment standpoint... (Score:5, Insightful)
Depends on what you mean by "support," but probably, yeah I would. As long as they were forthright and honest about what risks were entailed in using their products.
Yes, i have principles, it's called a belief in freewill and the right to make your own choices. If someone wants to use a cancer causing product, and they've been told upfront that the product may cause cancer, it's their life to do with as they wish.
I support drug legalization, but i don't think drug education is a bad thing either, as long as it's _real_ education, but "facts" the government is trying to brainwash you with.
Oh, and have you heard about the new chemical they've found in cooked starches that they think causes cancer? Am i supposed to boycott all baked goods producers because of my principles?
And as long as we're talking about principles, how about those "principled" health activists that are trying to force resturants who sell french fries to add a cancer warning but who don't seem to be urgent to get companies to label bread and pasta in the same fashion? They want to get people off of french fries but apparently have no problem supporting companies that make products with the exact same chemical in them but which are considered healthier in other aspects.
Well... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Well... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Well... (Score:5, Insightful)
The ads popping up on desktops might give us a clue as to whom is paying for ads as well...
Re:Well... (Score:4, Informative)
www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1126167/000119312
It names quite a few of the advertisers, and some of them are large companies such as travel and hotel conglomerate Cendant and LowerMyBills.com.
As well, Brightmail, Advertising.com, and Shopping.com also filed IPO paperwork.
Cheers,
Doug
Trust Gator! (Score:3, Funny)
Here's what they're saying about Gator stock:
"I love the way Gator takes my money and saves it for a rainey day!"
"Gator stock is so stable, I can't imagine investing with out it!"
"I love the way my income depends on Gator stock it make me feel secure!"
Cosmetics... (Score:3, Insightful)
Nice name. But, a frosted dog turd is not a wedding cake; it is still a frosted dog turd. I hope whatever stock they have drops like a brick.
425 Advertisers (Score:5, Insightful)
List of afvertisers at Harvard (Score:5, Informative)
News story on Harvard wrestling with the then Gator corp [com.com]
Re:List of afvertisers at Harvard (Score:5, Insightful)
Now I have to boycott: Alstate insurance, Sun and Apple.
Why coulden't it have been McDonalds, Wal*Mart and Microsoft? They're easy to boycott - unless you happen to like stale food, crappy junk and buggy software.
Read the S1 (Score:4, Informative)
It list some of their customers: Cendant, Orbitz, priceline.com, Travelocity.com, Buy.com, FTD.com, Netflix, Shopping.com, AmericanSingles.com, Date.com, eHarmony.com, Matchmaker (Lycos, Inc.), Amerix Mortgage Corporation, ING Direct Securities, LowerMyBills.com, RateMyMortgage,goZing.com inPhonic, Motorola, Sprint.
It also refers to their strategic relationships with DivXNetworks, iMesh and Sharman Networks (KaZaA).
For the year ended December 31, 2003, they generated revenue of approximately $90.5 million, substantially all of which came from online advertising. For comparision, Ret Hat's revenue is $126 million for the last year.
The lead underwriter for the IPO is Deutsche Bank Securities.
Re:APPLE ADVERTISES WITH GATOR (Score:5, Interesting)
Crime pays on Wall Street.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sometimes, crime does pay. Even if Gator is made illegal by state laws, they'll still be functioning until such laws are enforced. Simply passing a law won't make them go away.
Anybody got a current quote for what SCOX is going for while we're at it?
Getting the stock (Score:5, Funny)
Also, Claria said their certificates represent "the latest in investor-tracking technology." Claria's executives plan to use the small audio monitoring devices embedded in each certificate to learn valuable insider information about upcoming shifts in the stock market. "This represents a new direction in the stock market. Never before have companies used their stock certificates as a way to gather valuable investor information," said Claria's CEO in a press release today extolling the virtues of Claria's new business venture.
Addressing privacy concerns, he also mentioned that, "Anyone buying this stock knows exactly what they're getting into. We fully disclose all information about our monitoring technologies to anyone who bothers to break into our company's vault and read the encrypted data therein. Anyone who claims they were misled about privacy simply hasn't done the proper espionage expected of both parties entering into any contract. After all, if you don't catch us spying on you, it's your fault."
Let's play the name game... (Score:5, Insightful)
People think you can't keep your promises? Call yourself Verizon or Verisign... "Vari-" meaning "truth"
You're stuck in the drug business trying to make people get high? Call yourself Altria... "alt-" meaning high
People confused about complex multiple rate plan options? Call yourself Cingular... kinda sounds like "singular" where there's only one option.
You're main product requires confusing people into aceptng it to work? Call yourself Claria... even though there's nothing clear to users about what they're getting themselves into.
Re:Let's play the name game... (Score:3, Insightful)
Take a look at Valujet. They had serveral crashes and then changed their name to Airtran. Why? Because people associate Valujet with poorly maintained planes that crash. What is Gator known for? Annoying intrusive spyware. Take a look at Claria's website and note how clean and, well, "clear" it is. Again, they're trying to change their image. I hope people who decide to invest
43 million active users (Score:5, Insightful)
At any rate, how can someone "use" Gator/Claria? Their "users" are simply presented with ads and such. Are you a "user" of the ads you see on Television? No. You are an audience member, and a very passive one at that. Amazing. Simply amazing.
Re:43 million active users (Score:5, Informative)
Another one of their schemes offers to download a program that will automatically sync your system time, which is useful to most people who notice that consumer PCs are usually pathetic at keeping a system time. However, I personally use the adware-free Automachron [oneguycoding.com] which provides the same useful function.
So, they're really a bait-and-switch operation. They actively market utilities that people want, and are rather trivial to make.... and then tag-on their adware code for the ride. Better options for all of their offerings exist, but the public often doesn't know where to go.
Re:43 million active users (Score:5, Informative)
If you're running Win2K or WinXP, you don't need to download a damn thing to sync your clock. Windoze has an SNTP client built-in:
net time
where servername is the name of your preferred NTP server (your ISP should be able to provide this; typically something like ntp.my-isp.com).
There. No cheesy spyware necessary. Bandwidth consumption is negligible, so gamers need not worry about additional lag.
Schwab
i interviewed with Gator a few months ago (Score:4, Informative)
Re:i interviewed with Gator a few months ago (Score:3, Interesting)
URL. more private submissions should use POST or better yet https.
They should be in jail (Score:5, Insightful)
I have seen it first hand.
My gf's pc and at work where I assist students in a university computer lab.
My gf's computer use to take 20 minutes to boot and would reboot every 30 minutes or so and was highly unresponsive. Especially IE.
McAfee anti virus showed no viruses? I then ran ad-aware and it found 600 objects and tons and tons of spyware.
After that it was fine.
Second, spyware installs backdoors( tell me that does not sound like a worm)so hackers can see your keystrokes and get things like credit card numbers, etc. God forbid anyone doing the taxes with these worms aka spyware ridden systems. Hackers can easily do identity theft.
So I ask slashdotters now. Why is gatorsoft legal? If this thing was called A.mydoom or something the FBI would hound them.
THis is pure fraud, it steals computer cycles, causes break-ins, etc. Its a worm in my book. It may not copy itself to other systems but it sure acts like one. Hmmm I bet if gator soft did email itself over the address book then it could get even MORE customers. lol
This and Divx need to be brought down.
Re:They should be in jail (Score:5, Insightful)
it comes in without telling what it is, it stays stealthy and twists what the user is doing. on top of that it's doing it for financial gain for somebody!
every virus scanner software maker should add spyware to the takedown list.
Re:They should be in jail (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes they generate a ton of traffic and can bring a lan to its knee's just alike a real virus.
IT does so by reporting all your keystrokes and internet sites. IE becomes unresponse particularly as the spyware watches what you do and reports to the master which sites you visit.
ALso it does report any text with a "@" i
Re:They should be in jail (Score:3, Interesting)
No Exceptions.
If they have a decent uninstaller and don't try to reinstall themselve's automatically (they act like a good citizen), then don't remove them.
43 million users? (Score:5, Funny)
stock holders (Score:3, Insightful)
Kill this IPO (Score:5, Informative)
For someone with more time on their hands than me:
1)Start some media fear mongering about a "Claria Virus".
2)Include instructions for removing said virus.
3)Feel good about what you have done to help society.
Virus?? (Score:5, Insightful)
Which leads me to my point.... why doesn't Symantec (Norton) classify Gator as a virus. It has all the hallmarks of a virus (hell... Blaster was LESS destructive. It just rebooted your machine), and no legitimate use. How isn't it a virus?? Just because the company's legit at the moment, does it really make it okay?
Can anyone answer me?
Re:Virus?? (Score:4, Insightful)
users or victims? (Score:4, Insightful)
Just another reason to give the Internet to the UN (Score:3, Interesting)
SCO showed the way (Score:3, Insightful)
Active != Willing (Score:3, Funny)
I hope no one buys their stock.
Crickey! (Score:5, Funny)
Man, someone needs to go Steve Irwin on that gator's ass...
Claria has a very suitable name. (Score:5, Funny)
Let's take a look at the truth. (Score:4, Funny)
Er, no. Try again. How about:
Claria said it has 43 million active victims and 425 parasites
stock games (Score:5, Interesting)
I think there's maybe six or seven financial investment companies that haven't been sanctioned by the SEC in the last two years for unethical activity. You can't trust the American media to even let you know when your investment company has been fined $200M for insider trading. The best source for really finding out how sleazy Wall Street is is through England's Financial Times [ft.com], which doesn't pull any punches. If you have an IRA or any money in funds, keep a close eye on it. These rich fund managers are making a fortune off the pennies most working people scrounge up and think will be there for them in the future.
I never really dabbled much in the market until recently when I had a broker "friend" make recommendations for me. After I lost a bundle, I set up my own account on E*Trade [etrade.com] and started doing my own investing - I beat my broker's ROI by 14% within six months. I'm pretty convinced these days most people in the financial community don't know anything, but that doesn't mean a bunch of people won't make money in this Gator IPO, but it will probably be at mutual fund holders' expense.
My advice to people is take control of your finances and invest in companies you believe in. Pull your money out of funds so you're not unwittingly financing SCO or Gator -- you'd be surprised how often you're in bed with the devil through your IRA.
The good news is (Score:4, Funny)
Pre-emptive crapware blocking?? (Score:5, Informative)
For a long time, I have been using a lot of off-the-shelf scripts and utilities hacked together as an anti-spyware, anti-virus proxy. Anyone out there doing the same care to comment?
For web stuff, I use squid to block a lot of stuff that is usually spyware. It pretty much kills any software that auto-installs (except for java webstart). Usually not to big of a deal-- the business calls the help desk and we walk them through a manual install of flash or whatever it is they need. For very common spyware, we let it infect one test machine then redirect traffic through the proxy to those sites. Ideally, we block the file name or active x control with squid. It isn't a perfect solution though...
For email, I am using p3scan, a pop3 proxy, and a couple simple scripts to rename all untrusted attachments to something else. We also have a nice script that strips out all non-image, non-formatting related html in email. The email soltion seems much more elegant and nice than the web solution-- anyone know of any setups better/similar that cut gator & other companies off at the knees like this??
In practice, this is has reduced our crapware-related helpdesk calls at least 10 fold.
Re:Pre-emptive crapware blocking?? (Score:4, Informative)
Using those 3 things I would say it snags 99.99% of it. You can even get the proxy thing to take it out on the client end so your sever isn't doing all the work... Works fairly well in IE and Mozilla.
Also there is no 'magic bullet'. Wish there was. You will always be chasing whatever they dream up next. Your scripts will always be mutating just as much as that industry mutates.
Like the email thing. Might have to give that a try.
Your users may not like it but you may want to scan the machines for newly instaled things too. That should help you keep up with your scripts. See something new go see where they were surfing...
Found a couple of nasty ones the other day in java. It was even using an expliot in the ms java to do its evil deeds. You may want to goto suns instead. Least its being maintainted...
What's the difference between Spyware and a Virus? (Score:3, Interesting)
Why is it that a company can get away with what a script kiddie would get thrown in jail for?
And are they still going to threaten to sue people who call Gator, excuse me, Claria Spyware?
And might as well throw out a stupid-patent joke out there.....
Do they own a patent on using computer viruses to make money on the internet?
The quickest fix (Score:3, Insightful)
Stock ticker symbol.... (Score:5, Funny)
Anyone else share this thought? (Score:3, Funny)
IPO Filing info.. (Score:3, Informative)
Their IPO filing says they derived 31% of their 2003 revenue ( ~ $30M ) from "Overture Services". Interesting.. Overture seems to be straddling the line between legitimate business & spyware.
Also, the risks section of their IPO filing is pretty amusing. Anyone with half a clue will see what a detestable company they are after reading the risks. Some of the risks they list are:
- Popup blockers. impeding their ability to attract customers.
- People buying new computers. Since their software won't be on the new system.
- spyware detectors which uninstall their software (as offered by AOL, McAfee, Symantec, Earthlink, and others).
- Changes in MS operating systems (i.e. SP2 with the popup blocker and other security enhancements could screw them)
- New technologies that would "hamper the operation or our GAIN AdServer".
- Changes in legislation could impair our ability to provide services
Basically, they are saying that they operate by tricking people into installing their software, and a lot of people are trying to stop shady operators like them.
Anyone who invests in them deserves to lose their money.
There is one old, effective solution (Score:4, Insightful)
Gator/Claria survives by delivering an effective way for advertisers to reach consumers. You cannot punish Gator/Claria directly - some other company would simply take its place.
Rather, let us organize a boycott of any advertiser who tries to sell his product via spyware of any kind.
Writing to any company that advertises via spyware, and telling them that you will not be using their products any more is a good idea. Telling everyone you know about such companies may also be effective. The best thing would be pressure from consumer groups to government so that advertisers are forced to adhere to a code of conduct that excludes spyware.
Finally, spyware companies will find that the only clients they can find are the same criminal rings that pay for worms, trojans, and viruses, and this is one commercial sector that will find it hard to lobby governments for protection.
Boycott the bums into behaving properly!
Didn't you read the article, or even the summary? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:but even still (Score:2)
Re:Gator for the masses IS helpful (Score:3, Informative)
Yes, and I have a bridge that I want to sell you.
Gator still does deceptive "drive-by-downloads", and people still unkowingly get infected with their crapware [pcpitstop.com]
Sorry/Claria/they will always be gator to me.
Re:Fighting fire with fire (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:i wonder (Score:3, Insightful)
You know, I have a problem with people who gripe about "secret stuff" being installed on their computer "without their consent" even though, had they read the EULA, they would have known exactly what was being installed and what it does.
While I am not a fan of Gator or any of those damn spyware crapware programs I have to wonder
Re:Wow, everyone buy it! (Score:3, Funny)