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Botnets As "eWMDs"

Posted by kdawson on Tuesday December 09, @07:21PM
from the trying-to-wake-sleeping-policymakers dept.
John Kelly writes "The current issue of Policy Review has a paper by an American computer scientist and the recent Permanent Undersecretary of Defense for Estonia. Drawing on the Estonian cyber attacks a year and a half ago, as well as other recent examples, they argue that botnets are the major problem. They propose that botnets should be designated as 'eWMDs' — electronic weapons of mass destruction. The paper also proposes a list of reforms that would help to limit the scale and impact of future botnet attacks, beginning with defining and outlawing spam, internationally." Many of the proposed solutions are common-sensical and won't be news to this audience, but it is interesting to see the botnet threat painted in such stark terms for readers of the Hoover Institution's Policy Review. For a more comprehensive overview of cyber-security threats, listen to NPR's interview with security experts on the occasion of the release of a new report, "Securing Cyberspace for the 44th Presidency," which recommends creating a cyber-security czar reporting to the President.
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  • by llamalad (12917) on Tuesday December 09, @07:23PM (#26053815)

    Subject says it all.

    This is... ridiculous.

    • WMD isn't about the actual history of attack. There hasn't been a nuke detonated in an offensive capacity since World War II, but that hasn't stopped them from being a preoccupation of defense strategy since then. It's about the fear. And the concept of hundreds of thousands of zombie computers attacking an institution without the proper defenses could be devastating, especially if that institution is critical to the public health/safety.
      • Fear (Score:5, Insightful)

        by I_am_the_cheese (1264298) on Tuesday December 09, @07:56PM (#26054107) Journal
        Great fear. Terror even. Terrorism! Danger! Danger! Threat level orange! All good citizens must immediately surrender their rights! We'll start by outlawing spam. But how can we enforce it? We need to verify all e-mail legitimacy! We'll do it with technology. What is needed is a massive database of all e-mails sent, which will be filtered to assure that no 1,000 of them are the same. After that we'll send it to the intended recipient. Of course we'll have to keep logs...
        • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 09, @08:47PM (#26054449)

          Yeah, maybe not a city, but think about what would happen if they took WoW offline for more than an hour. Oh the horror!

        • What worries me is I was reading an article today calling on President Obama to create a new office to "protect cyberspace" and I noticed this little nugget from the report recommending Obama act "It proposed online "data warrants," for example, rather than traditional search warrants, which it said "may be increasingly impracticable in the online environment." Now I don't know about you, but after all that Fisa crap i trust their little "data warrants" about as far as I can throw a Cray.

          If you would like to read the article it is here [myway.com] but after the last pile of bull we were fed about WMDs the second I hear anything to do with them I start looking for the shovel. And let us be honest here: how many data breaches have we seen in the last few years of both government and private networks that were due to plain old stupidity? Maybe they should do a top to bottom audit of their networks to ensure that best security practices are being used and THEN they can start talking about eWMDs. But until then I will automatically think "power grab" when crap like this hits the news.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      They destroyed my inbox! It's now a mass of about 2GB and it's either all junk mail or I have won about a thousand lifetime supplies of male enhancement pills and a nice gentleman with poor english skills is very persistent in expressing his wishes to "undergo a business transaction" involving millions of dollars!

      Now, I can't take the chance that it's ALL junk, so I am saving it just to be sure.

    • by shogarth (668598) on Tuesday December 09, @07:52PM (#26054075)

      If we think of mass-energy conversion in nuke plants, I would argue that some mass was destroyed (er, converted) to generate a portion of the electricity consumed in botnet attacks. Touche.

      More generally, reread the article. They are trying to address a real, asymmetric threat. Some jack-off (or group of jack-offs) can cause measurable harm (counted in your favorite currency if nothing else) via DDoS attacks. That is a demonstrated fact. Estonia argues that their financial sector was largely off-line for three weeks due to (purportedly) coordinated DDoS attacks. If their assertion is correct (a point about which I am neutral), then that DDoS attack was as effective (arguably more effective) on the Estonian financial industry as the 9/11 attacks were on the U.S banking system. Think back to how crazy people were that Wall St. was essentially off-line.

      In any case, it is hardly unreasonable to argue that DDoS attacks pose an effective asymmetric threat to certain industries. On the other hand, I am less than convinced that there are Evil Hackers out there capable of and planning to shut down water systems and power distribution. However, should it be possible and occur, think about how short a time it took for New Orleans civil society to disintegrate.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          Please read my post. I don't suggest that New Orleans civil society came apart due to a financial mess. Rather, people resorted to looting grocery stores for food and water when the tap stopped working and the refrigerator could no longer keep food from spoiling. Of course, there were other contributing factors (like the lack of law enforcement) but desperate people will do what it takes to survive. If the hypothetical Evil Hackers manage to cut water and/or power to a large, urban population, they will

          • by Gorobei (127755) on Tuesday December 09, @09:38PM (#26054777)

            Good Lord, "people looting grocery stores for food and water" is more just efficient use of national resources than anything else. More law enforcement wouldn't have helped: it would have compounded the problem. What would have helped is rapid national disaster response. So, some shops lost a few bottles of water and diapers - that's what insurance is for.

            I've walked 1/2 the length of Manhattan twice: once on 9/11 and once for the big blackout. Both times I was offered a bunch of free stuff (water, food, tissues for improvised masks, and even beer as the cooling failed.) Just small businesses and their employees behaving decently.

            If someone wants to lock down their basic supplies super-store in the midst of a week-long emergency, I'll be there with a saws-all and spend my day handing out bottled water.

          • New Orleans was 10 feet underwater from Katrina which is a tad more serious than no power or tap water. Outside the west many cities don't have running water to any but the weathiest of thier residents, let alone fridges in every kitchen. "Law enforcement" would have been much better served if the enforcers were handing out bottled water.

            Basic adult minimums: Breath once a minute, drink once a day, eat once a week.
    • Agreed. Wouldn't "Weapons of Mass Disruption" make it more accurate?

      ...when does Apple come out with the iWMD?

      0x73db07
  • by khasim (1285) <brandioch.conner@gmail.com> on Tuesday December 09, @07:23PM (#26053817)

    And anything destroyed by them SHOULD be able to be restored from backup.

    • by FranTaylor (164577) on Tuesday December 09, @07:59PM (#26054141)

      What if a hospital's infrastructure was taken down by a botnet immediately after a natural disaster?

        • by _ivy_ivy_ (1081273) on Tuesday December 09, @09:33PM (#26054737)

          Actually, an attack consisting of several simultaneous bombs in several areas of a city, combined with a systematic botnet attack of the major hospitals of the same city sounds quite evil...

          ..all of those doctors would be unable to properly bill for their services. Oh, the humanity!

        • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) on Tuesday December 09, @11:45PM (#26055693)
          Probably not as evil as you might expect. Most moment-to-moment computer controlled medical stuff(drug computers, life support widgets, etc.) is deep embedded stuff, and subject to FDA scrutiny, so no something that you can just bodge onto a commodity internet connected server. Patient charts, insurance, etc, etc. would be affected; but fairly large scale acute casualty incidents are perhaps the situation where you can most easily dispense with that. If your hospital goes down because they can't access insurance records and they must access insurance records before treating the pile o' bomb victims in the hall, then your society is fairly deep in "too sick to survive" territory.

          The stuff that would be more likely to be problematic are some of the emerging remote medicine toys. If the MRI is here but the radiologist is over at Bangalore Radiology Inc, then you aren't going to be getting any results back during a DDOS.
  • Sneaky (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 09, @07:32PM (#26053889)

    I bet this is a way to sneak in some more "general purpose" legislation on the net. There is going to be a strong push for that coming from the EU in the next months unfortunately.

    I can see it now. Newlines in the papers as Iran is found harboring WMDs along with Syria and Pakistan. Equating NBC weapons with botnets is retarded on an incredible amount of levels.

  • wmd comparison (Score:5, Informative)

    by sveard (1076275) * on Tuesday December 09, @07:34PM (#26053903) Homepage

    Perhaps we should compare some WMD's

    An atomic bomb detonated over a dense population center: millions die
    An eWMD shuts down water supply: people have to resort to bottled water and, in a worst case scenario, boil rain water; for a few weeks

    Perhaps eWMD is a better name for an EMP because that actually DESTROYS something that can not be brought back from the dead using backups

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Perhaps we should stop calling them "Weapons of Mass Destruction".

      Weapons of Mass Effect is a broader term that encompasses bio/chem warfare, EMPS, dirty (radioactive) bombs, large conventional explosives, planes flying into buildings, etc.

      And WME would also include things like botnets and malicious worms.

      An eWMD shuts down water supply: people have to resort to bottled water and, in a worst case scenario, boil rain water; for a few weeks

      It would literally be impossible to truck in enough potable water to sustain even a relatively small population center. In a city of millions, the only solution would be mass relocations. Even if the popul

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Anyone who has that kind of equipment connected to the internet in anyway that would allow a DDoS attack deserves what they get. There is no reason to have that kind of equipment connected to a public network. Period.

        It does a disservice to lump together the weapons that have cruelly and inhumanely killed millions of people to something like a botnet which has no physically destructive potential.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          There is no reason to have that kind of equipment connected to a public network. Period.

          People say that all the time, but it's simply not true. Coordinating a variety of utilities and their major consumers makes sense. Having the wind farm aware of the local weather predictions, the hydro plant aware of the seasonal rainfall expectations, and the nearby aluminum refinery aware of both of their likely outputs has real value. Your options are then to either build some alternate network and then move data on and off it in some kludgey fashion that isn't 100% secure (there's no rule that says y

  • eWMDs? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by b100dian (771163) on Tuesday December 09, @07:35PM (#26053925) Homepage Journal
    Wait and see nanbotnets!
  • by pm_rat_poison (1295589) on Tuesday December 09, @07:36PM (#26053927)
    Sadly, I'm always stumped by how far a language can be warped so that things are labeled in a desirable way by the authorities.
    This has been happening since the ancient times and we haven't grown out of it. The athenian hegemony was named the athenian alliance, the enslavement of foreign countries by the Romans was called Pax Romana, and even now, he american goverment classifies botnets as eWMD's, every country in the world dubs their Ministry of Military as Ministry of Defence, and War will always be Peace in the Ministry of Love.
  • Pretty soon we're going to need a czar czar to keep track of all the czars we've been willing into existence lately.