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ITunes 8 a Real Killer App; Taking Down Vista
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timothy
on Thursday September 11, @05:30PM
from the da-dum-pshhhhhhh dept.
from the da-dum-pshhhhhhh dept.
CWmike writes "Apple 's latest version of iTunes crashes Windows Vista when an iPod or iPhone is connected to the PC, scores of users have reported on Apple's support forum. Plug in and Vista crashes and shows the 'blue screen of death.' The errors began showing up immediately after updating iTunes to Version 8.0, which Apple released Tuesday as part of its iPod refresh. 'I just installed iTunes 8 over my iTunes 7 on Vista [and] now whenever I plug in my iPod, I get a blue screen death. Three times so far. Even if it is plugged in on boot, I get a blue screen," said a user identified as 'sambeckett' on the support forum about 90 minutes after Apple CEO Steve Jobs wrapped up the iPod launch."
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Good Marketing (Score:5, Insightful)
Expect Apple to blame Vista.
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Re:Good Marketing (Score:5, Funny)
Expect Slashdot comments to blame Vista too.
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Re:Good Marketing (Score:5, Funny)
Expect Vista to bla #####
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Re:Good Marketing (Score:5, Informative)
Except the application installs drivers.
And it's not necessarily a bug in the OS if drivers are causing it, unless you run all drivers in the userland like QNX does.
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Re:Good Marketing (Score:5, Informative)
And yet, the update demonstrably does not crash XP...
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Re:Good Marketing (Score:5, Funny)
So, it's MS's fault that an app released today crashes their year-old OS? Oh, they should have tested it, right?
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Re:Good Marketing (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Good Marketing (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Good Marketing (Score:5, Interesting)
Eh. Kinda. Ultimately I think this is a lack of testing on Apple's part though. I don't think you should be able to code together some drivers and then pass off any and all testing to Microsoft.
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BSOD... (Score:5, Funny)
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Wow! (Score:5, Funny)
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Surprising (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Surprising (Score:5, Funny)
Well, you know how it is; QA labs are always underfunded... Maybe their budget wouldn't stretch to a Vista license. Or they couldn't figure out which version to buy.
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In Soviet Cupertino... (Score:5, Funny)
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Sounds like a feature to me... (Score:5, Funny)
This sounds like a feature, not a bug.
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The new "better" driver model sucks. (Score:5, Insightful)
You know, it seems like there are an awful lot of problems with drivers under Vista. Certainly far more problems than I've seen on Vista.
The thing that bothers me about that is the change in driver architecture was billed as a way to make Vista faster and more stable. Why, then, is it that most of the drivers for Vista are less stable and slower than the same hardware running in XP?
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Re:The new "better" driver model sucks. (Score:5, Insightful)
For every major Windows release vendors spend a lot of time and money on new sets of drivers. My guess is that to save time and money some of them didn't rewrite their drivers from scratch for Vista, but instead migrated as much code as possible. That would let certain problems slip through the cracks, such as the kernel level security issues we've heard about.
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I wonder . . . (Score:5, Funny)
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Kernel mode driver (Score:5, Informative)
AFAIK the only thing that can cause a BSOD is code running in the kernel space, ring 0.
Quite why iTunes affects stuff that runs in kernel space is another matter... but I suspect it's probably to do with the Protected Media Path stuff. DRM, in other words. I can't think of anything in iTunes that should be running in kernel space - in Vista, all drivers apart from a component of the graphics driver are supposed to run in userspace.
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"Hi, I'm a PC." "...And I'm a Mac." (Score:5, Funny)
"You son of a bitch." (Pulls out a gun)
"Whoa PC, whoa, let's not..."
BLAM.
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My advice (Score:5, Informative)
This happened to me... I read the Apple thread, and followed simple instructions... unplugged my HP printer, and it stopped the BSOD's when I plugged in my iPhone. Most people are saying the problem is with the Apple USB drivers screwing with the drivers for HP printers and Logitech mice/keyboards. There may be other devices that cause the problem as well, but those two are the biggies.
So until iTunes 8.1 is released, I can either charge my phone or print... but not both at the same time!
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Best roadblock ad ever (Score:5, Funny)
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The fault is (Score:5, Funny)
Personally, I blame Linux.
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Re:MS or Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
Apple should have debugged it on a vista box
Fixed that for you.
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Re:Sigh. (Score:5, Informative)
iTunes installs its own CD drivers to manage ripping and burning, as well as always-on "helper" and updater processes, in addition to drivers for the iPod/iPhone.
Asinine, but then again Apple doesn't follow Windows UI guidelines either.
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