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Oyster Card Hack To Be Released, In Good Time
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timothy
on Tue Jul 22, 2008 09:09 AM
from the crackers-don't-follow-injunctions dept.
from the crackers-don't-follow-injunctions dept.
DangerFace writes "A little while ago some Dutch researchers cracked the Oyster card, meaning they could get free public transport around London. The company that makes the cards, NXP, sought and got an injunction to stop the exploit being published, but that has now been overruled by a Dutch judge. The lovely Dutch blokes are holding off from releasing the hack for the time being, to give NXP time to secure their systems."
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Barence sends along PcPro coverage of the second crash of London's Oyster card billing system in two weeks. Transport for London was forced to open the gates and allow free travel for all. "There is currently a technical problem with Oyster readers at London Underground stations which is affecting Oyster pay as you go cards only," explains the TfL website. This follows the first crash two weeks ago, which left 65,000 Oyster cards permanently corrupted. Speculation is increasing that the crashes may be related to the hacking of the Oyster card system by Dutch researchers from Radboud University, though TfL denies any link. Plans to publish details of the hack were briefly halted when the makers of the chip used in the system sued the group, although a judge ruled earlier this week that the researchers could go ahead. During the court action, details briefly leaked on website Wikileaks.
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NXP said no pearls for the swines (Score:5, Funny)
but the Universities advocates cracked their shell and the judge clam-ped down on them ...
sorry ...
Re:NXP said no pearls for the swines (Score:5, Funny)
But next time, remember that taking all the jokes is shellfish.
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Re:NXP said no pearls for the swines (Score:5, Funny)
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Not just Oyster (Score:5, Informative)
According to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], the same tech is used by Atlanta, DC Metro, the L, and the T.
Key line (Score:5, Insightful)
While I have mixed feelings about the publishing of exploits, this line hits the nail on the head:
This is an important lesson to companies like Diebold.
Re:Key line (Score:5, Insightful)
I could be wrong, but I don't think the Diebold fiasco was ever officially denounced and called a bad thing. It got certain people in office and kept others in. I think the powers that be would consider that a rousing success.
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Are they serious? (Score:5, Insightful)
So let me get this straight.
1. Researchers discover hole in Oystercard implementation.
2. Oystercard operator ignores warnings from researchers.
3. Oystercard operater takes researchers to court instead of working to fix identified vulnerabilities.
4. Injunction granted.
5. Injunction overturned.
5. Researchers continue to give Oystercard operator time to fix their system, in addition to the time they had prior to the court action.
Were I in their situation I would have publically released information on the hack the moment the injunction was overturned. If vendors of ANY type of system want to fuck with people who show every intention of trying to HELP them, they deserve everything they get.
Free (Score:5, Funny)
Information wants to be free.
Luckily, so does public transport.
--Q
This is a perfect example... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is a perfect example of how hacking can benefit the greater good. While it would be great to ride Dutch trains for free, it's obviously not sustainable and therefore I don't mind paying for services I receive. It is rather frustrating however to see companies attack the hackers that have found this weakness. Fixing the weakness will obviously cost money and time, but that is far superior to months of unscrupulous individuals taking free train rides all over the country. The students could have easily distributed this to their friends and community members quietly and cost the rail system thousands (perhaps hundreds of thousands) in free trips before it was discovered.
The rail company may have been duly diligent in their security assessment of the system, but obviously missed this problem. In this case, the students have provided a very valuable service for FREE. This can potentially improve the overall quality of the rail system. Obviously the rail company needs to spend capital to repair the flaw in the system, but that is superior to discovering and repairing the flaw after thousands of free trips have already been lost. In this case, the money lost in free trips can be reinvested into the service to improve it, rather than just flushed down the drain.
If companies can change their opinion of hackers that voluntarily point out security flaws to be more positive and less adversarial, everyone can potentially benefit.
Anyone here involved in Oyster? (Score:5, Interesting)
let me see if I've got this right... (Score:5, Funny)
a haxor with skillz über-1337
wanted to ride london's fleet
but rather than paying
he found himself saying
"h4ck1n9 0y573r w0u1d b3 50 v3ry n347!"
Re:Their paper has leaked (Score:5, Informative)
To quote from the paper you linked:
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This paper is not the same as the paper that is subject to a lawsuit by NXP. It is available on the web since several months and will be published officially in the proceedings of the Cardis'08 conference in september. The paper of the lawsuit builds on it.
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So while related, it is different for some value of different..
--Q
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Re:let em release it (Score:5, Insightful)
They've cut all the bus routes into a quarter of the length they used to be - meaning that you have to take 4 times as many buses to complete your journey, at 4 times the price and a much longer journey time.
London's bus companies have been privatised. Does this mean that any efficiency savings are passed on to the passenger? I won't bother to answer that one... just have a surf around and see how much subsidy they're getting.
You'd think, then, that local taxes in London would be real cheap. Oh dear me no, that would be a wrong assumption. One pays local tax (Council Tax) to the borough in which one lives, and then a further tax to the Mayor of London's Office. The *average* charge across outer London for this year is nearly US$3000 per annum.
In London, there is no such thing as a free ride.
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Re:let em release it (Score:5, Insightful)
And then there's the Tube. A single journey within Zone 1 costs four pounds. This could be as short as 100 metres if you're stupid enough to travel between Charing Cross and Embankment.
And who's stupid enough to do that when you could buy an Oyster card and save a packet? Why, tourists, of course. And tourists don't vote. So they gouge 'em.
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Re:let em release it (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:let em release it (Score:5, Insightful)
If the bus isn't full and you otherwise wouldn't have paid, then what's the problem?
Sometimes it's hard to tell if people are posting ironically, but I'm going to go ahead an answer as though you were serious.
The philosophical reason you don't take free rides on buses is that paying your bus fare is a Kantian categorical imperative [wikipedia.org]. The ability to take a free ride on a bus presupposes the existence of a bus service, but were everybody to ride for free, the bus service would cease to run, negating the possibility of a free ride.
Actually, the real reason is a lot simpler: You're getting something of value, so you have an obligation to give something of value in return. Only parasites and slavers fail to abide by this principle. Which would you like to be?
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Why yes, they do (Score:5, Insightful)
The sidewalks are great for walking on. At no cost!
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Re:Why yes, they do (Score:5, Insightful)
Until the ID card surveillance system comes in. Then we pay to walk. To breathe. To exist.
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Re:Why yes, they do (Score:5, Funny)
Sidewalks, or pavements as they are sometimes known, cost money. Billions of people walk to and fro across and over sidewalks every hour of every day. Every six seconds, 5.72 meters of sidewalk are worn down by human traffic and need to be replaced. People seem to think that sidewalks spring forth from the ground. They don't. They cost money.
And who is going to pay this money? Who is going to finance the millions of kilometers of much needed sidewalks? Who is doing it at the moment? Why _you_ are. You the humble taxpayer is being forced to hand over your hard earned wages to pay for concrete that will be worn down by other people's shoes! It's ludacrious! Does anyone pay you to tile your kitchen? Do you get free funding, materials and labor when you have to repave your drive. No. Why should sidewalks be any different!?
What we propose, is a better way, and a better future for you and your children. By forming strategic Public Private Partnerships, we can finance the creation and maintenance of sidewalks everywhere by privatizing them. Businesses can finance construction of sidewalks by modestly tolling the people who use them, passing the costs on to those actually wearing down the paths, and not onto you, the innocent taxpayer.
Through the Magic of the Free Market private enterprise will deliver better, cheaper and cleaner sidewalks to the general public with no government participation! Businesses will prosper, providing employment for millions and the savings earned in the government budget can be passed on to you through a cut in the top rate of tax. It's a win/win situation for everyone involved!
Vote yes on Proposition 22. You owe it to your Family.
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Re:Only London air visible? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:You mean... (Score:5, Informative)
...and as the EX-mayor of London, why would he care?
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Re:I'm not surprised (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not surprised we Dutch are trying (and apparently succeeding) to hack public transportation systems facilities if you look at the current pricing of our own system.
I am assuming that you are implying that the Dutch transport system is expensive. Clearly you have never been to the UK. I live an hour away from London by train, if I were to shop around a little and pick the budget airline flights I could fly to Schipol from Gatwick/Heathrow, get the train to Amsterdam Central and a tram to my hotel for a cheaper price than my train journey from my house to the airport!! It really is *that* bad.
I have been to Amsterdam many times (not *just* for the usual tourist reasons, my grandmother was born there, so I visit family), and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that transport around Amsterdam is many time more efficient and cheaper than transport around London, and I would much rather deal with the bizarre conversations with strangers that have 'had a little schmoke' on late night Amsterdam trams than the strangers that are looking to mug me on the London underground.
Both of our countries are culturally rich, with a fascinating history, but yours seems far superior when it comes to the management of public services.
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Re:I'm not surprised (Score:5, Funny)
That reminds me of an old 'mock the week' on bbc when Andy Parsons done his train to Glasgow gag.
"It costs £98.18 to get the train from London to Glasgow, who the hell is going to do that when you can fly to Barcelona for £40, then fly whoever u wanted to visit in Glasgow to Barcelona for £40 and then spend the first £18.19 on sangria".
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Re:I'm not surprised (Score:5, Interesting)
That's how the Oyster system works!
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Re:Poor guys.. (Score:5, Informative)
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