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100 Email Bouncebacks - Welcome to Backscattering
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timothy
on Monday May 05, @05:50AM
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from the annoying-as-heck-if-heck-is-like-hell dept.
distefano links to a story on Computerworld, excerpting: "E-mail users are receiving an increasing number of bounceback spam, known as backscatter, and security experts say this kind of spam is growing. The bounceback e-mail messages come in at a trickle, maybe one or two every hour. The subject lines are disquieting: 'Cyails, Vygara nad Levytar,' 'UNSOLICITED BULK EMAIL, apparently from you.' You eye your computer screen; you're nervous. What's going on ? Have you been hacked? Are you some kind of zombie botnet spammer? Nope, you're just getting a little backscatter — bounceback messages from legitimate e-mail servers that have been fooled by the spammers."
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Mike Morris writes "Google email servers are responsible for a large volume of backscatter spam. No recipient validation is being performed for the domains googlegroups.com and blogger.com — possibly for other Google domains as well, but these two have been confirmed. (You can test this by sending an email to a bogus address in either of the domains; you'll quickly get a Google-generated bounce message.) Consequently spammers are able to launch dictionary attacks against these domains using forged envelope sender addresses. The owners of these forged addresses are then inundated with the bounce messages generated by the Google mail servers. The proper behavior would be for the mail servers to reject email traffic to non-existent users during the initial SMTP transaction. Attempts at contacting them via abuse@google.com and postmaster@google.com have gone unanswered for quite some time. Only automated responses are received which say Google isn't doing anything wrong."
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A trickle?! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:A trickle?! (Score:4, Informative)
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Re:A trickle?! (Score:5, Insightful)
During that time I only got one false positive, but that was a really poorly formatted message, and they weren't even replying from the same adress I specifically asked the reply from.
However, I got no false negatives in English, and it took about a week of "Report Spam" to get them up to speed on some new Hungarian torrent tracker spam. Now they're marked spam too.
All in all, Google's spam filter rocks.
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Re:A trickle?! (Score:5, Insightful)
The best thing honestly would be for these servers to just clean their act up and handle things properly. Mail rejects should be done before the connection between the two servers closes. It should always be up to the SENDING mail server to generate a bounce rather than the receiving.
The odds of that happening are pretty slim though. There is a "bounce killer" feature in the new version of amavisd-new that I'm looking at that might work well. Apparently (I haven't installed the new version yet) it will store the message ID's of your outgoing messages and if a bounce comes back with an invalid message ID it deletes it.
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same wine, old bottle (Score:5, Informative)
https://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/08/2258246 [slashdot.org]
I had a bunch of these back then, now they are happening again. Here is some information about the subject.
http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-backscatter.htm [spamlinks.net]
You should only get NDRs from your own ISP, as I undestand it. The other mail admins are being fooled by your spoofed return address, and should know better.
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Re:same wine, old bottle (Score:5, Funny)
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Where's the news? (Score:5, Informative)
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Please Try Again Spammer Dickwads (Score:5, Interesting)
Nope, I'm not getting anything - procmail [procmail.org] on my honeytrap spam email account sees it and stops it with a few simple filters
So please try harder, spammers, or go and get extensions to your obviously miniscule penises so you no longer need to take you inadequacies out on the rest of the world.
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Extension? (Score:5, Funny)
I think one of their products can help them with that.
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Re:Please Try Again Spammer Dickwads (Score:4, Insightful)
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Easy filtering solution (Score:5, Interesting)
There's an easy way to filter out backscatter while preserving bounce messages that you care about (ie. ones about email that you actually sent):
1. Add your own custom header to all your outgoing emails. Doesn't matter what it is, but it should be unique, eg. 'X-Really-From-Richard-Jones: xsomesecretx'
2. MTAs include the original headers in bounce messages, so discard bounce messages which don't contain your custom header.
You can even be smart and sign the header based on the content of the email using a private key, which would make it unforgeable, but at the moment you don't need to do that.
Rich.
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Re:Easy filtering solution (Score:5, Informative)
Get your free personal certificate and if 2 people have certificates, e-mail gets encrypted between you! There are a number of providers that give them.
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Re:Easy filtering solution (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Easy filtering solution (Score:5, Informative)
Alter the setting
mail.identity.default.headers
to include the string header1
note header1 is just a label
then add a new string called
mail.identity.id1.header.header1
Set the value of that to your X-line
From now on all mail sent from Identity 1 will have that header on it.
To create a filter based on that. Obtain an email with that header. Find a clickable link in the header and right click and select create filter from message.
At first from the drop down box you can't select that X-line so you need to go to the bottom and click customise. You can put that header in there. Now you can create a filter from it.
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Why is this only getting noticed now? (Score:5, Informative)
I can remember years back when some spammer decided to use my domain name in their spam run. Hundreds of bounced emails every day and I cursed everyone of the dumb mail servers that mailed them; complete with original html email, images and any other crappy attachment. ("Hundreds" may be small potatoes these days, but they were a big deal at the time.) Just the very idea that spammers would supply a genuine reply address seemed so incredibly stupid, yet there they were; dozens of carefully worded variants of the same "naughty spammer, don't email me" reply. I could just see some smug sysadmin configuring their system with this badly thought-out garbage, thinking "ha! that'll show them!"
None of my mail servers since then have ever bounced spam or mis-addressed emails.
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"legitimate?" (Score:5, Informative)
Anybody who says that 'legitimate' mailservers are sending backscatter instead of 5xx-ing the message in transit is wrong. Mailservers which send backscatter are NOT legitimate, EOL.
- A pissed off mail admin.
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Re:"legitimate?" (Score:4, Informative)
The 5xx range of status codes exists for this (and other) reasons, there's no reason NOT to use them (by performing content verification inline and either 2xx-ing or 5xx-ing the message between "." and "QUIT".)
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SPF + !SRS! (Score:4, Interesting)
It seems like the solution to "backscatter" has been around for quite a few years (SRS [openspf.org]). I'm surprised how few of the commercially available anti-spam solutions use or interpret it.
At my company, we just looked at Barracuda (PoS), Pineapp, St. Bernards ePrism, MX Force, Postini, and some other things. None of them understand SRS and only a few of the tech contacts had even heard of it. Sad Sad. But they all seem to have hand-rolled "backscatter" protection that partially works.
It seems like everyone has an SPF record these days. But it feels like relatively few actually check them and almost nobody goes the full distance and uses SRS.
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Re:SPF + !SRS! (Score:4, Insightful)
Here's the solution to backscatter:
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Postfix has a solution to this (Score:4, Informative)
The trick is to use the "header_checks" and "body_checks" to look for signs of the email having being sent out from your email server in the first place.
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Re:De-standardize, and make it worthwhile. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:De-standardize, and make it worthwhile. (Score:5, Insightful)
Helluvua lot of mail servers out there not configured "properly." I can't block some mail even from "legitimate" mail servers because they are not configured well enough some of my spam rules don't pick them up, so how would a "list" fix that?
As it is, the lists from the anti spam houses work very little. There are so many zombie mail servers out there, I guess, no one can really effectively police these things except through spam filters. And Google are the only folks who can afford a full time staff writing spam filter rules.
Any more properly used to mean not an open relay; now it can can mean not in the same network segment that does have spamming email servers. Lists just add to the insanity and often punish legitimate mail servers.
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Re:De-standardize, and make it worthwhile. (Score:4, Funny)
Think Machiavelli.
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Re:De-standardize, and make it worthwhile. (Score:5, Interesting)
One of the main reasons forums don't get hit by spammers is because the admin staff knows what they're doing. They lock down threads, respond quickly, and keep the software up to date. Temporary bans, and permanent bans... You also need a working e-mail address in order to register, which blocks an awful lot of spam. Finally, there's over 150 domains on the banlist for my forums... some of the most popularly used (by spammers) freebie e-mail accounts, like mail.ru.
Oh... and it helps to have a robots.txt file. Mine looks like this:
The forums are served up from a subdomain... the actual site shows up in search engines, but having the separate domain with robots.txt helps keep the forums off the search engines. If they don't know you're there, then they can't spam you.
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Re:De-standardize, and make it worthwhile. (Score:5, Interesting)
1. No servers flooding the net with messages.
2. Easily identifiable spam sources, making bot-nets less useful.
3. Reduced bandwidth as the system replaces the old one.
4. Allow email clients and webmail services to be configured retrieve every message for the few numb nuts that don't/won't get it.
5. Profit (via reduced long term cost).
Just spitballing...
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