Fifth Cable Cut To Middle East 676
You may have noticed a number of stories recently about undersea cables getting cut around the world. Apparently the total is now up to 5, but the scariest part of this is that Iran is now offline. You can also read Schneier's comments on this coincidence. Update: 02/06 17:42 GMT by Z : As a commenter notes, though the country of Iran is obviously experiencing some networking difficulties, it is not offline.
Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Insightful)
-Auric Goldfinger
But who is the enemy?
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Insightful)
You are positing a hertofore unshown level of intelegence and understanding of the complexities of the mindset of countries other than the USA in the USA's current leadership. I respectfully suggest that they are more likely to try the direct approach, despite the accilary effects strengthening their enemies position. This seems to meet with the past record of those leaders actions.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:4, Insightful)
There are quite practical reasons to want Iran to not have net access. For one, it denies them access to commercial satellite information, direct or brokered. In a land action, this could be a considerable disadvantage. For another, should they have any sources of information in the country that wants to take military action, this isolates those people such that any useful information they might have becomes much more difficult to get back to Iran. Finally, it prevents an initial surge of information out of the country, accurate or not, that reports on civilian infrastructure being hit, which reduces political pressure on the attacker (especially if it is the USA, probably not so much if it were someone else, for instance Israel, which has plenty of reason to go after Iran right now with news reports of Iran being within three years of developing nuclear weapons.
I don't see this as a reasonable action for Iran, if Iran were contemplating military action.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:4, Interesting)
The problem here is that this type of warning says: "Time for you to set up a non-hardline source for Internet access." That's why I don't really think it's a warning so much as a precursor to military action, or an action in and of itself, for instance to interfere with Iran's plans to set up a Euro-based oil market. I believe that they (as a country) are a net importer of oil, however this doesn't really reflect on an oil market. The USA is also a net importer of oil, and we certainly have oil markets. A market in Euros (further) destabilizes the dollar, and I would imagine that such things are on the front burner for our chief executive's advisers these days.
Re:We have met the enemy, and he is the moderator. (Score:4, Insightful)
While I agree that one can find moderators pursuing an agenda here, I don't think it is organized, quite the opposite. Also, never attribute to malice what you can rationally interpret as incompetence. Slashdot's moderation system is badly broken, to the point where reading slashdot at anything but -1 results in disjointed conversations, nonsensical, context-free posts, and dependence upon some very poor judgment (for whatever reason.) The smiley was honest; I only read at -1, so moderation doesn't affect my experience at all. If it affects others with regard to my posts, they are either reading slashdot in an extremely naive manner (depending upon the moderation to guide them) or they aren't smart enough to follow what I'm trying to tell them anyway, so nothing much lost there. In the latter case, meh, in the former, they'll figure it out soon enough when they get mod-bombed, or some thread they are trying to follow develops unexpected voids.
The most severe problems occur when an editor, not a user, goes on a moderation jag; you can spot this by seeing a series of posts (many of which may be several days old) from one poster that is larger than five posts (the max number of mod points given to a "regular" user) get hammered within just a few minutes. Easiest to spot on your own account, of course, but if you're following someone else closely, you can see it there, too. Slashdot insists they don't need to change the moderation system or poke (or replace) editors; I've had a little correspondence with Rob Malda about this and the laissez faire approach is quite up front.
The reason I don't post as AC is because by posting under my UID, my comments are collected for others to peruse if they find that useful. For that matter, *I* find it useful.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Insightful)
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Five times is a bit more than three time. Rather likely to be "enemy action" I'd say.
Test: Are those connections that were removed for servicing back up yet? If so, then this is probably unwarranted fear mongering. If not
2nd Test: Since another cable has been cut, will the cables that were taken down for servicing be rushed back into service? Prediction: If enemy action, then reasons will appear suggesting that they *can't* be put back into service quickly. Otherwise not. (N.B.: Evaluate this second test tomorrow.)
--- intermediate result: If no report appears on the status of the cables, this implies that "enemy action" is in a stealth mode, after having been noticed. Unfortunately, this could by CYA showing up as a false positive.
name calling (Score:4, Insightful)
Dismissing every "conspiracy [wikipedia.org]" as automatically false is an act of profound stupidity.
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Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Informative)
There, fixed that for you..
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Interesting how this is happening during the primary election cycle in the US, now, isn't it? And no, Iran isn't totally cut off. But if more cables get cut, what would that tell the astute observer?
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Informative)
And I'm sure that it is. They are also not offline, as my buddy with a plain home connection is still chatting with me, so they obviously aren't feeling too hurt by it.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Funny)
Unless you meant that the network is inside a small nail.
(Also their but I've just about given up on that one.)
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Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Insightful)
I love /. Anytime I need to be reminded that I am surrounded by a self-styled "intellectual elite" that is functionally illiterate, I only have to read a few posts. And I don't even have to bait, since most of them do it naturally.
Why do people insist on believing that being semi-literate is a sign of their inherent superiority?
Oh, and "there", "their", and "they're" are three different words, with significantly different meanings. Learn to tell them apart, and people won't have to believe that the American Public School System (as if there were such a thing) has failed in its (purported) design purpose.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:4, Funny)
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it in good English"
There. Fixed that for you.
(This is a
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Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:4, Informative)
I know some people who emigrated from Iran and eventually moved back. Why? They thought that life in "the west" was just like it was in Hollywood movies. When they ended up working part time in a gas station and found themselves getting deeper and deeper in debt (Iran doesn't accept credit... it's a cash-based society), they faced their disillusionment, cut their losses, and moved back to Iran where they felt they had half a chance at getting ahead in life.
Iranians (to generalize profusely) aren't going to get the impression that Americans are similar to them from our popular fiction. It's the fictions (lies) that make them hate "the west" when they think about life outside of their own personal circles.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Insightful)
A responsible citizen, yes, would want the Iranian people to take matters into their own hands, and make sure that their government leaders are accountable and responsible.
On the other hand, if you're an American politician trying to sell a war, Fear Uncertainty, and Doubt play very well to your cause on both sides of the table.
As it stands, I don't believe that the Iranian people are all too upset at their government. Although their approach to civil rights is a bit backwards from the Western perspective, it's been that way for several generations (and is largely the fault of previous American and European intervention in the region). Likewise, the Iranian government doesn't strike me as being all that secretive.
I hate to defend the current Iranian regime, but I don't believe for a moment that it's remotely as bad as Bush makes it out to be.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Interesting)
Secondly; Bush doesn't have to please to general public, he's on his last legs whether whether or not he kindles some favor.
It's a lot more complicated than that. Mahmoud came in promising wealth for the poor, and has delivered in many cases, but failed elsewhere. At the moment the Iranian economy isn't going well (e.g. inflation at 25%, according to non-government sources), and there has even been gas rationing (in a country with massive gas reserves!) which really didn't go down too well.
Then you have the Islamic reforms, with headscarfs being more strictly enforced and a suppression of the clothing young Iranians want to wear. This is popular with some but not others. There's also suppression of government criticism in the media, and media also needs to be very tame (think FCC-on-steriods). (Young) Iranians aren't ignorant (as I understand Iranian education stands out from other Middle-Eastern countries by a long way); they are often pro-West and pro-reform, and they don't like the media oppression or Mahmoud jailing the students which lead protests.
The nuclear program is an interesting one. It seems that, like Chavez, Mahmoud likes to be seen as a crusader for the little guy, even if it doesn't parallel what goes on in Iran. What's ironic is that you say Bush is stirring this up to gain some political favor, when in fact the opposite is true; Mahmoud milks the Iran vs the evil empire angle for all it's worth.
When they reach a new threshold with uranium enrichment, or manage to launch a satellite, cue the government media's patriotic music and euphoria. (I feel I need to point out that this is actual government media, not to be confused with the tin-foil Fox-is-controlled-by-the-government "government media")
Iran getting powerful weapons, launching satellites, and capturing British soldiers in defiance of the West is great for Mahmoud, and ever since a US report came out last year saying that they aren't pursuing nuclear weapons to the extent previously thought Mahmoud has become less and less popular.
I've read that in Iran they joke that Mahmoud wouldn't bother with his nuclear program if the US wasn't opposed to it.
Not only have his lesser government members begun to criticize his policy, but he recently got snubbed by the Supreme Leader of Iran himself, something which is a big political blow for him. (It's like a member of the Vatican getting chided by the Pope for something he said; it's not supposed to happen)
Read up about Natanz and Iran's dealings with the IAEA. Even Russia, who has supported and assisted with Iran's civilian nuclear program, is now saying they are concerned about Iran's recent satellite launch.
One thing for sure is that Iran is not Iraq 2. There aren't many parallels between them, and the biggest and most important difference in my opinion is this: In Iran Mahmoud is subject to checks and balances, he isn't a dictator and he has to watch where he treads. Economic sanctions and internal political pressure will definitely be enough, I would be astonished if it came to war.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Interesting)
I went to an Iran speech by Gary Sick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Sick [wikipedia.org] (former Carter adviser & author of October Surprise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy [wikipedia.org]) where he argued that Iranian politics is somewhat similar to American politics.
For example, we aren't too happy with George W Bush, our current leader, yet when a tragedy happens or we are threatened, we seem to rally behind the current leader.
The only ones who benefit from international saber-rattling are the "establishment" who would otherwise be kicked out of power. There is actually a lot of discontent with the current leadership of Iran, but by threatening Iran we only strengthen them.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Insightful)
All the executed homosexuals [ukgaynews.org.uk] and women beaten [wordpress.com] for not maintaining the appropriate veil angle on the street say "hi."
Oh, so do the journalists [hrw.org] killed in detention [hrw.org] by the regime. [amnestyusa.org]
So do the children being kids being executed [stopchildexecutions.com] by the regime.
So does Amnesty International [amnestyusa.org], while we're at it...
Oh, and so do the local Christians, Zoroastrians, Bahai, and Jews, who are routinely persecuted by the regime (you can do the search yourself, I'm getting nauseated looking at these links).
Look, I understand people don't like GWB, but to insinuate that the US is somehow responsible for human rights violations in Iran, or has a somehow comprable record on human rights is insane.
Yes, the US is responsible (Score:5, Informative)
He had the outrecuidance to nationalize the oil industry, so the CIA fomented a coup against him and put the Shah in charge. The US then supported this asshole for close to 30 years, until iranians revolted in 1979.
The revolution didn't end so swell, the mullahs took the helm eventually. But the country wouldn't be there if it wasn't for the sick US meddling. Sure, that was back in 1953, but the pattern continued in other countries over the world in the 55 years that followed. So yeah, the US is responsible, and the dumbass in chief you still have for 11 more months is apparently hell-bent on meddling still some more with Iran.
Islamic Republic of Iran (Score:3, Informative)
Iran is an Islamic Republic [wikipedia.org], meaning its government is half democratic and half unelected asshats.
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So the only half Iranians get to vote on is already pre-selected by the aforementioned asshats. As that list probably contains only friends of asshats, they're likely be asshats as well. So in fact, unelected asshats vote for candidates and Iranians just decide whose face is prettier.
The correct term for that is "Hobson's Choice", I believe.
1953, operation Ajax (Score:5, Informative)
Iran is an Islamic Republic [wikipedia.org], meaning its government is half democratic and half unelected asshats.
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Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Informative)
José Padilla [wikipedia.org]. Glad to be of service.
Who will there be left to speak for you? (Score:5, Insightful)
You're missing the point, which is that Padilla was illegally jailed for over two years and his rightful request for habeas corpus was denied. SCOTUS refused to clarify whether holding Padilla was legal, thus making his case a clear cut example of the illegal detainment and torture of an American citizen. Furthermore, what you're saying is that because Padilla was suspected of terrorism, jailing him illegally was OK.
My point is not that Padilla was innocent. My point is that terrorism is carte blanche for the executive to illegally detain Americans, to fabricate charges against them, and to increase penalties upon conviction. In the meantime, people like you will look at Padilla and see someone they don't quite like and decide that it's all OK.
In my opinion, it will only be a matter of time before someone finds themselves on the wrong end of what you call "normal, peaceful political channels," as did many in their peaceful protest [wikipedia.org] of the 2004 Republican National Convention. Your thinking implies that rule of law is a privilege to be extended only to American citizens who behave in the proper manner, people who look a particular way and who have a particular kind of past.
I believe that rule of law should apply not only to all American citizens, but that it should also be extended to all people detained by the United States.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Funny)
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I can't believe you people still defend Iran (Score:3, Informative)
I doubt it. If anything, we would want Iran to have 100% free and uncensored access for all citizens.
How Utopian... and unrealistic. Iran routinely censors their population: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/2005/09/14/iranian_censorship.html [guardian.co.uk]
Unfortunately the same can't be said about their military and Islamist government that profits greatly from that wonderful connection.
I can't believe that people are *still* protecting the Iranian government (note I'm not talking about their citizens) after all the crap they've pulled during the last two decades. Just because the US media has tuned into Iran i
Re:I can't believe you people still defend Iran (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe we should have left them alone to begin with. If we go to war again there, it'll be another mess, since we'll just install another bloodthirsty dictator like we always do, and thousands upon thousands will die, at our hands.
If we want to avoid war, we just need to mind our own fucking business. How hard is that?
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Insightful)
Keep in mind, too, that these cables aren't, for the most part, state owned assets like radar stations or bridges - they are the private assets of companies and conglomerates, who have invested many billions in their installation. Those conglomerates are able to pursue the US for damages much more effectively than, say, Iran.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Interesting)
Not that I think we're doing this, and I do believe you have a valid point. But... that's the same reason we used to have a hard-line stance against torture. I don't think we've been doing particularly well lately at considering the consequences of our actions. It seems like the powers that be are so utterly convinced that they are right that they cannot grasp the possibility that something bad may come of their actions.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Interesting)
My guess is Islamic isolationists. That is, those people that, ever since Qutb [wikipedia.org], believe that that West is a corrupting influence on Islam. Internet access is a prime way for such influence to occur, so they would seem to have a very strong motivation to do this sort of thing.
Just a random theory, but none of the other ones make much sense to me.
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:4, Insightful)
Except that Iran has NOT gone "offline" (Score:5, Insightful)
So when the basic, sole premise and of the story is wrong, and by extension the clear implication, where do we go from there?
Re:Except that Iran has NOT gone "offline" (Score:5, Funny)
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Heh. I read that while having a few traceroutes running in other windows, testing times to a few sites in Iran. All of them do pretty well from here (Boston) as far as the sites in New York, Amsterdam, and Turkey, with ping times mostly under 200 ms. Then the packets go to numbered machines without DNS addresses, and the ping times jump to over 500 ms. I'd thought that this was probably a sign of satellite hops, but now I wonder. Maybe it's just that we've slashdotted all the routers. Ya think?
The government site at www.iran.ir doesn't repond to pings, but it does respond on port 80 in the usual manner. It is sorta slow, but firefox doesn't time it out.
I don't read Farsi, so I can't tell much about what it says. There are some familiar faces at the upper left, though.
Non Dollar Oil Trading (Score:5, Interesting)
Bingo! (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Goldfinger meets Pogo (Score:5, Interesting)
The US Navy has had to deal with fishing boats intentionally dragging their lines across cables many times. Around their Japanese bases, the US had a couple of data lines strewn along the ocean floor. If the lines were cut, the Navy would have to fix them. To do that, they had to keep fishing boats out of the area when they were working, so they would compensate the fishermen.
Obvious Japanese fisherman's solution:
1) Drag anchor across US data line.
2) Skip work and receive generous compensation.
3) $ Profit $
What they are thinking. (Score:5, Funny)
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Step 1: You have a large stockpile of dollars, that are increasingly not worth much.
Step 2: Cut cables.
Step 3: Attack Iran.
Step 3-A: Stock Markets panick; U.S. securities start to plummet. (followed by U.S. dollar)
Step 3-B: A whole bunch of people in and around the middle east cannot gid rid of their dollars, or U.S. securities -- they cannot buy Gold or Euros on the international market. (Satellite and land lines are jammed by re-routed, regular traffic.)
Step 4: While a large
Iran has NOT "offline" (Score:5, Insightful)
One router in Iran -- the one that happens to be used by Internet Traffic Report [internettr...report.com] -- is unreachable. As are dozens of single points on the internet in many states in the region.
A quick perusal of, e.g., newspaper web sites in Iran [onlinenewspapers.com] finds every one I have tried working fine, including all state-run media. As is the web site of the Government of Iran [www.iran.ir] and numerous other government and press web sites physically located in Iran. See for yourself. [google.com] (And yes, I am aware that simply ending in
I know all of you are just itching to believe it's a US information operation (I love some of the articles..."a secret Pentagon strategy called 'information warfare'" -- uh, guys, I hate to break this to you, but it's not a secret) to cut Iran off from the internet in advance of the secret Iran invasion that Bush -- er, Cheney -- is oh-so-obviously planning.
No one ever said that one ship damaged all the cables. What was said was that a single ship probably cut two cables in a particular area off Egypt. But that has been called into doubt in that location. Unfortunately, it isn't clear exactly where some of the cables have been damaged, so simply because one area didn't have a ship doesn't mean it wasn't possible for it to be damaged elsewhere.
Even if someone is cutting the cables, as telecom and undersea cable experts believe is unlikely, it would be better to actually consider the facts of the situation, instead of feeing the conspiracy mill with garbage like "Iran is offline" when it clearly isn't? How about waiting until the cables are raised to see what kind of damage has been caused?
But if you want to believe one guy's blog post that "Iran is offline", which ends with:
Or, we could perhaps consider that "[m]ost telecommunications experts and cable operators say that sabotage seems unlikely." [iht.com]
Or, we could perhaps believe the facts, which is that Iran is not "offline", as I have illustrated above.
It seems that the premise to this story -- namely, that Iran is "offline" -- is patently incorrect. So, since that is untrue, what are the motivations of people who want to believe this is a prelude to war?
That lying about it somehow serves a greater purpose?
Oh, and by the way, for all you pushers of the Information Warfare theory, keep in mind that it runs both ways. I wouldn't be surprised before Iran picks up on the conspiracy stories and starts promoting that itself. What a great way to detract attention from its continuing defiance of the world community -- no, not just the US -- on its nuclear processing.
Re:Iran has NOT "offline" (Score:5, Funny)
Sheesh.
Re:Iran has NOT "offline" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Iran has NOT "offline" (Score:5, Funny)
Meanwhile, at the NWO headquarters:
Underling: "President Bush, Iran still isn't offline!"
Bush: "Dammit, Osama, what the fuck am I paying you for?"
Bin Laden: "Sorry Sir, I'll get right on it"
Elvis: "And get it right this time!"
Re:Iran has NOT "offline" (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Iran has NOT "offline" (Score:5, Informative)
And India, who is on pretty decent terms with Israel...I mean Israel wants the data lines cut why?
I'd give more respect to aliens planning an Independence Day attack credence than some of the bologne on Slashdot comments at the moment.
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The problem is that cable "cuts" (actual term = "disruptions of service") happen ALL THE TIME. There's nearly always a half-dozen or more ongoing major incidents. There's enough spare capacity on parallel and diverse cables so that most folks don't notice a change in service. It's when there are simultaneous cuts on several parallel cables that people really notice. As an example, the cable b
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Traffic Intercept (Score:5, Interesting)
not-so-thick-tinfoil
Oil sales by Iran in Euros intercepted, actually (Score:3, Interesting)
"...Others maintain the damage signifies retribution for the impending opening of the Iranian Oil Bourse, which will allow trading in currencies other than the U.S. dollar, potentially diminishing the value of the dollar. (((As if the dollar wasn't busy diminishing itself, with or without submarines.)))
Clearly, the political impact, should the damage be attributed to military or financially motivated activity, poses severe implications, but apart from that, the mere
hmm (Score:4, Funny)
Is it really offline this time? (Score:5, Informative)
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http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/02/attention_iran_is_not_disconne_1.shtml [renesys.com]
It's just an attempt to get traffic (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think s/he has anything.
How many? (Score:5, Funny)
So, how many fscking cables do they have and can they please tell us exactly how many have to go down before I can't ping a single thing in Iran? I don't wanna go through this on the next 12 cables . . .
Re:How many? (Score:5, Funny)
Is this really confirmed? (Score:4, Informative)
Also look at this.
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm [internettr...report.com]
Does that mean Florida is offline? No it just means you cannot communicate with one of their routers.
riiight. (Score:5, Insightful)
what. the. fuck?
the author clearly has his tinfoil underpants and armadillo hat on. I mean come on, whilst I realize that almost everything can be turned into a conspiracy theory this is too much. Accidents happen all the time and I remember reading that some of this outage is due to routing maintenance. Occams Razor, to me the facts as reported seem simpler then some ulterior motive and cable cutting gear.
Re:riiight. (Score:5, Funny)
I call it Battlestar Syndrome. It's like Munchausen Syndrome (there's also Battlestar By Proxy Syndrome), except instead of trying to draw attention or sympathy, they wish to be seen as some sort of rebel ("a rag tag rebel fleet") fighting against some shadowy conspiracy. They actually thing the US is now the worst fascist dictatorship ever to exist, and that the creepy Half Life G-Man is tracking their comic book and grocery purchases with 50 special agents and six supercomputers deep beneath the Earth's crust.
Oh boy. Here comes some more modding down by folks who can;t take a joke.
Top Secret (Score:4, Funny)
The Real Economic Stimulus (Score:3, Interesting)
What if this is actually a US government plan. Make Hi-Tech industries from low-cost countries unstable and unusable. All of a sudden, companies panic and start to re-think the outsource planning that has been losing US jobs. What if the US is making a coordinated effort to rescue its economy by sabotaging others?
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Cables get cut all the time, news at 11 (Score:5, Insightful)
list of [iscpc.org] ships [iscpc.org]
Egypt Loses Its Wireless Connectivity (Score:5, Funny)
C'mon /. (Score:3, Informative)
Ok, so if Iran has _no_ intarwebs, I shouldn't be able to hit a server in Tehran right?
http://www.iust.ac.ir/ [iust.ac.ir]
Flag Telecom (Score:4, Informative)
The BBC has a decent article on the issue, at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7228315.stm [bbc.co.uk]
The cables (at least two of them) are owned by http://www.flagtelecom.com/ [flagtelecom.com], they have updates on repairs on their news page and a nice map of the cables. Their Gulf-region cables are described as a "Self healing Gulf loop, providing maximum design capacity of 1.28 Tbps. Initial launch capacity 50 Gbps.
Four fibre pair route linking the Gulf to Egypt and India. Design capacity of 2.56 Tbps, with initial launch at 90 Gbps.
Approx. length 10,300 km."
Bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)
Iran not "off internet" but strange routes taken (Score:5, Informative)
Tracing route to www.iust.ac.ir [194.225.228.25]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 194.225.228.25
2 8 ms 9 ms 11 ms 10.39.192.1
3 12 ms 8 ms 7 ms gig-4-3-nycmnyg-rtr1.nyc.rr.com [24.29.98.109]
4 8 ms 9 ms 8 ms pos-3-2-nycmnya-rtr1.nyc.rr.com [24.29.130.129]
5 10 ms 9 ms 10 ms tenge-3-0-0-nwrknjmd-rtr.nyc.rr.com [24.29.119.106]
6 10 ms 9 ms 10 ms 4.79.188.37
7 23 ms 18 ms 17 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Newark1.Level3.net [4.68.99.126]
8 29 ms 18 ms 14 ms ae-4.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.132.101]
9 20 ms 16 ms 19 ms ae-92-92.csw4.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.134.158]
10 14 ms 18 ms 13 ms ae-94-94.ebr4.Washington1.Level3.net [4.69.134.189]
11 89 ms 91 ms 89 ms ae-4.ebr3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.132.81]
12 84 ms * 84 ms ae-93-93.csw4.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.69.137.46]
13 84 ms 81 ms 86 ms ae-4-99.edge3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.68.20.201]
14 84 ms 85 ms 83 ms SINGAPORE-T.edge3.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [4.78.195.202]
15 118 ms 84 ms 83 ms ge-7-1-0-0.laxow-cr2.ix.singtel.com [203.208.183.81]
16 85 ms 274 ms 84 ms ge-4-1-0-0.laxow-cr2.ix.singtel.com [203.208.183.90]
17 276 ms 265 ms 282 ms so-3-0-1-0.sngc3-cr2.ix.singtel.com [203.208.149.185]
18 338 ms 253 ms 269 ms ge-0-0-0-0.sngtp-dr1.ix.singtel.com [203.208.149.78]
19 254 ms 272 ms 264 ms GigabitEthernet1-1-1.sngtp-ar4.ix.singtel.com [203.208.183.114]
20 284 ms 287 ms 303 ms 203.208.192.226
21 298 ms 286 ms 290 ms 217.218.155.201
22 301 ms 299 ms 292 ms 217.218.163.252
23 328 ms 319 ms 292 ms 194.225.239.254
24 298 ms 294 ms 303 ms 194.225.228.25
Trace complete.
We'd never be so obvious (Score:5, Funny)
What is the source of all this? (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, who has the most to gain from this? I would assume that these cables have already been monitored by the US, so I doubt it is the U.S.A inserting monitoring systems. Not, mind you, that I would put it past us, but I believe that they probably already had this capability. Also, I think they would be able to do it without being so blatant.
Could it be Iranian agents purposefully cutting the internet to sever information to and from the country? Could it be the US cutting the cables, not to insert monitoring, but to actually reduce information flow? Is there a common denominator we are over looking? Is Kuwait affected? Oman? Qatar? UAE?
If we assume it is not an accident, there must be a purpose. Is it an anti-cyber-terrorism preemptive action? It certainly an interesting set of events.
I need some reference please (Score:5, Insightful)
So, what is the statistical probability of an undersea cable having a minor, major, or catastrophic issue? If it's once a week, then perhaps we have an anomoly of location, not an anomoly of frequency.
I remember seeing some Discovery Channel show on how they end up fixing those cables, and it was rather interesting. I also have some fuzzy memory of how there are multiple boats designed to do this kind of repair work, and they are usually busy out at sea fixing *something*. I get the feeling (this is where my plea for verification comes in), that 5 cuts may not actually be TOO unusual.
Cthulhu? (Score:5, Funny)
Valid sources are great! (Score:4, Informative)
Comedy gold. (Score:3, Funny)
OH NOES! The slashdot tubes have been cut!
Please (Score:3, Insightful)
The measure of a theory of behavior (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's take the goal of "cutting off Iran's information before an attack by the US". Does cutting the cables in this manner "further that goal"? Yes, it does. However, given that goal, would the US military consider this its best action? Hell no! If the US Military wants to cut off your internet, they're not going to give you a lead time of several days; they're going to cut off all your links within minutes, possibly seconds of each other.
Are extremist Middle Eastern groups cutting off the cables to cut off Western influences? They would lack the capabilities to cut all cables at once, but I also suspect they'd know this was a brutally short-term situation. Most such people seem to believe that standard authoritarian government techniques are a better choice. I can't quite rule this one out as thoroughly, but it would have to be an awfully small, insular group to think this is the best choice.
The problem with the standard metric of "does it further this goal" is that it leaves you with an excessive abundance of theories, which can't all be true, but can't be ruled out by that metric. Every event further numerous goals and sets back numerous other ones. You really need to be looking at what people consider their best actions; that tends to be much more constrained and much more accurate. Less fun if you need to see conspiracies everywhere though, but that's the price you pay for caring about truth.
And so on. So far, I haven't really heard a good conspiracy theory yet, so I'm still judging natural event as the most likely, pending more information.
5? it was 50 last year (Score:4, Interesting)
So cool your jets people. it's not unusual. This is only a big deal with conspirators. As per usual the conspiracy nuts don't understand what they are talking about so start running around like a chicken with it's head cut off.
Obivously (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Coordinated attack? (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
"Afghanistan is now the #1 producer of cocaine and cannabis."
You forgot heroine(sp).
"Iraq has over 1 million civilian death by now and is close to complete anarchy."
I'd have to see the stats on the deaths. Does it include people that die of natural causes also?
As for anarchy, there will never be any. Local sheiks will always have control of t
Re:fp (Score:5, Funny)
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:A communications disruption? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:wtf (Score:5, Funny)
And before this, lottery tickets were a safe investment??
"The lottery is just a tax for people who can't do math."
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
"So long and thanks for all the fish, but screw you and your damned tuna nets!"