'I Was a Hacker for the MPAA'

Wired has up an article with a man named Robert Anderson, who was recruited by the MPAA in 2005 to inform on people in the BitTorrent community. In a tell-all interview with the site, Anderson explains how the powerful media organization encouraged him to obtain the information they were looking for: "According to Anderson, the MPAA told him: 'We would need somebody like you. We would give you a nice paying job, a house, a car, anything you needed.... if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful.' In 2005, the MPAA paid Anderson $15,000 for inside information about TorrentSpy -- information at the heart of a copyright-infringement lawsuit brought by the MPAA against TorrentSpy of Los Angeles. The material is also the subject of a wiretapping countersuit against the MPAA brought by TorrentSpy's founder, Justin Bunnell, who alleges the information was obtained illegally."

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Mister Anderson...

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No, Neo would never work for the robots.

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This maybe a silly question but isn't hacking illegal in the usa as part of GW,Bush's anti terror laws? If this is the case shouldn't the mpaa members all now be under investigation by the cia/fbi?

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patriot does not apply to true american companies(tm) and bush's cronies(r), especially if it prevents them from making money and/or protecting the True American Dream(tm)

Fixed it for you!

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I want you to read this following line very carefully:

SHUT UP.

You're fighting a battle which was stupid even before it was lost, 10 years ago. To the general population, when Joey Pimpleface finds some code on the internet that lets him sniff out some doofus's password, that is hacking. That makes it the case, whether you like it or not. You're never, ever going to realign the definition of the term, not even if you did more than post on slashdot about it (which you won't). Do what you do with every other word in the damn language, and use it the same way everyone else does. Suddenly, magically, you'll find you can communicate with other lifeforms! Imagine that!

By the way,

Who would have thought that some day we would actually be respected, to the point that the jocks and cheerleaders would actually try to pass themselves off as us?

You're so naive I almost hate to burst your bubble on that one, but no. Leaving aside your high-school perception of the world, the thing that set nerds and geeks apart is lack of social skills. I can assure you "jocks and cheerleaders", as you so eloquently put it, do not try to imitate an inability to socialize. Geeks and nerds are respected once they learn how to socialize, to become like the "jocks and cheerleaders" in that sense.

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Actually, multiple personality disorder is a form of schizophrenia. So, people who say that those with multiple personality disorder have schizophrenia, they're not wrong, just inexact.

I started hacking and cracking in 1983, way before it was "cool". At the time, according to me and my friends who were much better hackers and crackers than I was (including one Pentagon computer hacker who eventually got caught), cracking is a subform of hacking.

Language evolves and meanings change. Happens every year with lots of words. During the transition, it creates confusion, but then the new meaning takes over and settles in and communication continues. take "hacking", for example. It used to just mean "beating something with a sharp object"...

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"To the general population, someone with multiple personalities has schizophrenia. "

"Roses are Red,

Violets are Blue,

I'm schizophrenic,

And so am I..."

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You're never, ever going to realign the definition of the term, not even if you did more than post on slashdot about it (which you won't). Do what you do with every other word in the damn language, and use it the same way everyone else does.

Yes and no. Within the slashdot community, the word hacker has a different meaning. It is stupid to expect that meaning to apply outside slashdot, but inside one expects the word "hacker" not to get thrown around so much. Much like using "weight" at a physicists convention means something different (and more accurate) than in the locker room at your gym.

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Geez, lay off the caffeine next time.

"Hacking" or "to hack" has many different meanings already. (The term was not invented by those 'hackers', and will not be the sole property of said hackers.
Google and Xerox don't like it when their name is used as a verb, but it still happens. If you don't believe me, then google it.)

Merriam Webster defines "hack [m-w.com]" as follows:

Main Entry:

Pronunciation:
        \hak\
Function:
        verb
Etymology:
        Middle English hakken, from Old English -haccian; akin to Old High German hacchn to hack, Old English hc hook
Date:
        13th century

transitive verb
1 a: to cut or sever with repeated irregular or unskillful blows
b: to cut or shape by or as if by crude or ruthless strokes
c: annoy, vex --often used with off
2: to clear or make by or as if by cutting away vegetation
3 a: to manage successfully
b: tolerate

intransitive verb
1 a: to make chopping strokes or blows ; also : to make cuts as if by chopping
b: to play inexpert golf
2: to cough in a short dry manner
3: loaf --usually used with around
4 a: to write computer programs for enjoyment
b: to gain access to a computer illegally

Yes, the term is being muddied by the media, but language is always in flux, meanings change. New words appear. Perhaps it's time to give the 'white hat' hackers a new term? Or start using the term 'white hat' more.

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You're pissing into the wind.

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More like pissing into the exhaust of a GE90 turbofan engine.

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Yes. 1030. Fraud and related activity in connection with computers [usdoj.gov] states that:

[Anyone who] ...knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization, or exceeds authorized access, and by means of such conduct furthers the intended fraud and obtains anything of value, unless the object of the fraud and the thing obtained consists only of the use of the computer and the value of such use is not more than $5,000 in any 1-year period;

The term "protected computer" is defined as:

(B) which is used in interstate or foreign commerce or communication, including a computer located outside the United States that is used in a manner that affects interstate or foreign commerce or communication of the United States;

(i) the offense was committed for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;

(ii) the offense was committed in furtherance of any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State Hello, Mr. Federal Prosecutor? Where are you?

They would give him anything?

Talk about a hacker on steroids

More like a cracker with no brains

If they would give him anything, and he only got 15K?????? What an idiot.

Re:More like a cracker with no brains

I think you guys are on to something. They offer him riches and power and 15k is what he settles for.

Selling your soul is one thing, but selling it cheap is unconscionable.

Remember, though, when it comes to the buying and selling of souls: You get what you pay for.

Re:More like a cracker with no brains

I read that as they promised him anything.

He probably asked for $10 million and they probably agreed. After deduxcting various ancilliary expenses, office rental, studio time, roadies, electrical power factor multiplier, candy bars, in office Jolt delivery, the deposit on his office key, and various other miscellaneous Usual & Customary Fees, and taxes, his check was about $15k.

Re:More like a cracker with no brains

If they would give him anything, and he only got 15K?????? What an idiot.

Maybe he signed the same contract most as most RIAA artists (there doesn't seem to be much between RIAA and MPAA).

Wow. Dark Side ahoy!

...if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful.

"...and we will rule the Galaxy together!"

"Noooooooooooo!"

Cheapskates

Wow, they are even cheaper than I thought. $15,000? I know there were other benefits, but I would have laughed in their face.

I'm glad that I no longer consume mass media.

After reading about crap like this, I'm happy that I no longer consume the shit spewed forth by the mass media. Just over two years ago I sold my TV and DVD player, gave away the DVDs and CDs I had to relatives and friends. Since then I haven't watched TV, watched a movie (on disc or in the theater), listened to mainstream music, or otherwise involved myself with their product.

Instead of buying mainstream CDs, I go listen to local bands play at a variety of pubs and other venues, and buy directly from them if I like what I hear. The local theater productions are often far better than the latest Bruce Willis shitflick out of Hollywood. Instead of watching TV, I go biking, rockclimbing, and I also play recreational badminton.

So I'm glad to say that my funding of this sort of bullshit has been minimal, if at all. I urge more people to take a path similar to the one that I've chosen. You'll be far better off, both in terms of the entertainment you do experience, the money you save, and the fact that you're not funding the mainstream media in any way.

Re:I'm glad that I no longer consume mass media.

Wow. But do you use your x-ray vision and power of flight for the good of humanity?

You no longer consume mass media?

Yet you're on the Internet?

Riiight!

Re:You no longer consume mass media?

Here's a good article [pcmag.com] about it by /.'s favorite John Dvorak.

Well, that statement right there is about equivalent to a divide-by-zero. I'll pass.

internet != mass media

Re:You no longer consume mass media?
Yet you're on the Internet?

Riiight!

Mass media [wikipedia.org] is a term used to denote a section of the media specifically envisioned and designed to reach a very large audience such as the population of a nation state.
Mainstream [wikipedia.org] is, generally, the common current of thought of the majority.

So, if AC just reads /. as opposed to, say, Digg he/she does not consume mass media. Objection overruled.

Re:I'm glad that I no longer consume mass media.

I also play recreational badminton.

So was it this line, or your overwhelming smugness that caused you to comment anonymously?

Hm

If this is really true, it must mean that MPAA seriously believe they can close illegal interweb media distribution channels. Either they underestimate scale of the problem or overestimate their own power and influence, in any case they live in a dream world.

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It sounds fantastic, but I almost believe this story. Paying someone just $15,000 and thinking it would both make a major dent in their problems and get the kind of service they would need is all of a piece with 'living in a dream world'. The pattern fits - the MPAA has shown in other actions that they would think it's smart to spend lots on politicians, but hire somebody technical with the promise a good job and a pay off in chump change. Look at the small companies they have picked to implement various DRM schemes, and how easily those schemes have failed.
      In unrelated news, NASA has hired New Jersey laundrymat owner Marco Delgrepio to create a permanent lunar colony. For now, they're only offering him $15,000, but if he just beats some invading space aliens by uploading a virus from his apple powerbook, he'll get a car. It's a really nice car.

"Didn't know"? Right.

The MPAA does not dispute it paid Anderson for the sensitive information, but insists that it had no idea that Anderson stole the data. "The MPAA obtains information from third parties only if it believes the evidence has been collected legally," says MPAA spokeswoman Elizabeth Kaltman.

Essentially, the MPAA said "we will give you anything if you rat these people out and obtain evidence for us", yet "didn't know" he was doing it illegally? Please, just shows how desperate they can be and what kind of morale these people have.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right.

Surprising? Not really, expected more like it, but this is an organisation that constantly calls entire P2P networks into question because there MIGHT be illegitimate content on them. They even slam the protocol itself, claiming it is illegal, and are caught red handed doing illegal deeds themselves. Schadenfreude more than surprise I'd say.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right.

Is there not something deliciously ironic about one set of criminals complaining about the illegal, immoral activities of another?

Actually, the situation is just a bit too cloying for my tastes.

Let me read your emails then

It's easy to say that, but the right to privacy applies to criminals too. Perhaps we would have an easier time getting criminals caught if we wiretapped everybody, then they will have the same right as everyone else, and can't complain.

The reason you want criminals to get away, is because you don't want to be treated the same way. These rules apply whether you are an angry spouse, big company or the police.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right.

In Germany we have a word for that: "Catch the thief, he has my knife in his back!"

Wow! German must be an amazing language if that can be translated into a single word!!

You've never seen German, have you?

They have a word for everything. The language likes compound words like no other. One of these situations of "Hmmm, we don't have a word for that, well let's just jam together some existing words that describe it and call it a new word." For example: Suppose we need a form to calculate the additional costs on a transaction. That would be a Zusatzkostenberechnungsschein. If one could transliterate that to English it would be something along the lines of Additionalcostcalculationform.

So sure, they probably have a word for "Catch the thief, he has my knife in his back!" as well :D.

Re:"Didn't know"? Right.

To be fair if I instructed my minions to:

"Get this project finished to everyones satisfaction and I don't care how you do it"

I'd be a bit surprised if they came back to me the next day and said

"Hey boss, that project thing. It's all fixed up real nice now. Real nice"

And it turned out they'd done it by killing all the people who were waiting for it.

I think most rational people when told to use whatever means necessary take it for granted this means whatever means available within the law. Particulary if you've signed a contract specifically saying that.

This Anderson bloke is basically an idiot, the MPAA paid him peanuts, probably knew full well he was going to break the law to get them the information they wanted but let him go ahead with it anyway having insulated themselves as much as possible from any actions he sees fit to take upon himself.

Mr. Anderson

Tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a 100mbps connection when you are unable to share?

Subject

"Rich and powerful" on $15K? Are they high?

MPAA losing money

From Piratebay Top Torrent Movies ...

I.Now.Pronounce.You.Chuck.And.Larry[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo SE 5257 LE 11556
MPAA Lose: Total: (5257 + 11556)* $19.99dlls = $336,091.87dlls

Pirates.Of.The.Caribbean-At.World's.End[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo 10-17 19:11 Decargar 900.29 MiB 5182 7394
MPAA Lose: Total: (5182 + 7394) * 19.99dlls = $251,394.24dlls

1/2 Million Dollars just in 2 movies, so yes!, they have to do something.

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MPAA Lose: Total: (5257 + 11556)* $19.99dlls = $336,091.87dlls
MPAA Lose: Total: (5182 + 7394) * 19.99dlls = $251,394.24dlls/qhote>
Who would have thought dynamic libraries were so popular on p2p networks. I wonder what people do with them.

Re:MPAA losing money

You're forgetting that the overwhelming majority of people pirating those films would NOT pay to see them.

So, let's say about $100 USD per film and call it even.

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And if those people aren't actually going to buy the movie:

I.Now.Pronounce.You.Chuck.And.Larry[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo SE 5257 LE 11556
MPAA Lose: Total: (5257 + 11556)* $0 = $0

Pirates.Of.The.Caribbean-At.World's.End[2007]DvDrip[Eng]-aXXo 10-17 19:11 Decargar 900.29 MiB 5182 7394
MPAA Lose: Total: (5182 + 7394) * $0 = $0

Or, if the people who download it will buy it on DVD or go to see it at the cinema, then there is no correlation between those who download and lost revenue. None at all.

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How many of those downloads are the same as a lost sale? I doubt the quality is the same as the retail DVD and could fetch the same price. Was it a lost sale, or a lost rental? At full retail price, would the lack of a download make a retail purchase? The prices given are as always, shown as the MAX possible loss for the most impact. Many people who would never pay full retail would buy if the price was reasonable. I for one don't spend over $15 on DVD's. Most of the time, I spend under $10. Calling DVD's at twice that price a lost sale at $19.99 because it can be downloaded is a pipe dream. It's a lost sale because it is $19.99.

Promises, promises

We would give you a nice paying job, a house, a car, anything you needed.... if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful.' In 2005, the MPAA paid Anderson $15,000

Where does Anderson live, Lesotho?

Was a dark and stormy night

"If I can only perl -pi -e 's:torrent:torrentspy4daMPAA:g' torrentSourceCode.c I can become a martyr with my story" said Mr. Anderson as he duped numerous websites into believing his story.

Career options

Well if that's how much they're going to pay, I'm just going to become an undercover shopper...I'm sure I'll stop more DVD theft than this guy and get paid more than $15k.

What an effing crock!

Biggest pile of Elephant wank I have ever seen! "If you hack TorrentSpy", "you can have anything you wish for", so here's a measly $15k! If he was tasked with saving a multi-billion dollar industry on his own, surely they could have a a quick whip-round at the MPAA directors meetings and probably raise 10x that in small change!!! Hacing TorrentSpy??!! WTF!? Hardly rocket science is it, its a publicly open web-server pushing out glorified text files telling you where file sharers are sharing copyrihted material! A few pokes about on WhoIs, the odd phone call here and there, leaving the IP collector on a few weeks on a few very popular torrents, work out the ISPs of those sharers and Bob's your Auntie's Live-In Lover, bish-bosh-zoom $500k please!

I'm sorry, but this smacks of FUD from the MPAA/RIAA bullshit, brain-storm meeting! How can we scare off casual "pirates"? I know, says bow-tied twat number 1, lets make up shit about professional hackers gathering your details and bringing down the fabric of society, or at least one of the 75 popular torrent sites.

The article misspoke . . .

It's pretty clearly obvious that they did not give him $15,000. What they ACTUALLY did was give him a free song download *valued at $15,000*

Jesus, please read the article before writing summaries!

Hmmm... so, this guy is a hero now?

Isn't it ironic, that goodness is now "I did something evil before... but heyy, look at me now! am sorry and I am talking about it!" I think this guy would have been better off if he had refused MPAA and blew open the "bad intent" (well... one of them...) of the stupid execs all over the place! Kind of lame, to acknowledge now, after of course licking the green off the $$$. But, I guess that is the trend now...

Quotes from his diary...

Anderson: Okay, here's the plan. We get the data and then hold the RIAA ransom for... 15 HUNDRED dollars!
Number Two: [clears throat] Sir, strictly speaking, fifteen hundred dollars will not go very far these days. My butler alone makes over fifteen hundred dollars a week.
Anderson: Really? Okay then... we hold the RIAA ransom for 15... THOUSAND dollars!

MAFIAA hacker?

Ho boy, he's not going to have a good time when he makes it to the big house. If there's one thing hardened cons can't stand, it's a snitch. And if there's a subset of snitches they really can't stand, it's people who mess up file sharing for everyone else. This one guy had posted a bunch of torrents that were supposed to be really good movies but were instead just mislabeled copies of Britney Spear's Crossroads... that poor bastard got shivved in the shower.

Wait, what's that? He's not going to jail? *throws down hat, stomps on it* What the hell is this country coming to?

WTF?

'We would need somebody like you. We would give you a nice paying job, a house, a car, anything you needed.... if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful.' In 2005, the MPAA paid Anderson $15,000....."

That is a really fucking weak-sauce redefinition of rich and powerful. $15k? Christ. I wouldn't wipe my ass with $15k.

If he had hacked Microsoft

If this person had hacked Microsoft and posted the Windows source code online you would all be heralding him as a true freedom fighter. However because he hacked someone you like you say what he did was wrong.

I guess the motto here at slashdot is "you must respect people's rights, unless we don't like them."

Re:If he had hacked Microsoft

If this person had hacked Microsoft and posted the Windows source code online you would all be heralding him as a true freedom fighter. However because he hacked someone you like you say what he did was wrong.

Not really. There is nothing valuable in the Windows Source Code./P>

I can see how they recruited him

They sat him in front of a notebook where he got a blowjob while someone put a gun against his head and John Travolta counted down from sixty until he caved in to the pressure and used ls /usr/bin to crack the 128-bit encryption securing TorrentSpy's login form.

Hollywood uses that method a lot.

Give him anything he wants...

... just not the red pill.

a rat is a rat anywhere in the world...

a rat is a rat anywhere in the world... and we all know what happens to rats. america promotes the culture of 'telling on someone', ratting on your friends to save ur ass, or make money. please dont admire a rat.

what bullshit

"We would give you a nice paying job, a house, a car, anything you needed.... if you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful"

outside of hollywood movies, nobody talks like this. this is all the ramblings of some deranged kid.

Blah

So they offer him a good paying job, a house, a car, anything he wants... Wow, that doesn't sound like a bad movie script.... and what was "anything you want?" to him? $15k...

According to the Article...

Someone might want to RTFA:

Looking to profit in other ways, Anderson approached the MPAA with an e-mail offering to help the movie studios' lobbying arm beat piracy [...] Among other things, Anderson proposed to implement an anti-piracy marketing campaign for the MPAA.

But he says he also offered to provide inside information on TorrentSpy

"It was an opportunity to make money, because I knew how these networks operated," he says.

So he got pissed because he wasn't making advertising money, and took some illegal information to the MPAA himself.

On June 8, 2005, [...] Anderson says he told Garfield that he had "an informant that can intercept any e-mail communication."

Once again, he went to the MPAA...

Anderson didn't tell Garfield he was the "informant," and that he'd already hacked into TorrentSpy's systems.

So the MPAA didn't know...

The hacker, then 23 and living in Vancouver, British Columbia, claims he had cracked TorrentSpy's servers by simply guessing an administrative password.

Besides my beef with him being called a hacker (instead of cracker), how is this cracking at all?

He knew the password was weak -- a combination of a name and some numbers. [...] "I just kept changing the numbers until it fit," he says. "I guess you can call it luck. It took a little more than 30 tries."

Yea, not hacking. Social engineering if anything...

Once inside, he programmed TorrentSpy's mail system to relay e-mail to a newly created external account he could access. There's a trace of pride in his voice as he details the hack.

cracking the Gibson baby. If he's so proud to be leaking this information, that's not elite (see the jargon file) C'mon /. work on the misinforming summaries! Starting to sound like FOX

Not surprised...

This is a move right out of the RIAA's playbook. Remember a few years ago when the RIAA was recruiting college students to snoop on their peers and report any P2P usage in exchange for cash? Just about the same dirty trick.

HACKING IS...

...what I did when I carved up those teenage hookers hanging in my basement.

Do as we say, don't do as we do!

It's funny how the MPAA uses just the argument that "they didn't know the information was (obtained) illegaly" that they forbid everyone else who might download a shred of "their" intellectually propertized goodies to use. Plain and simple the MPAA hired Anderson to steal that information and now they leave him hanging.

Well, that's how it works out for anyone doing the dirty work for the MPAA.

There's no such thing as thieves' honor.

Funny article! Rich + powerful = $15K

So the MPAA thinks being rich and powerful is worth $15k? I don't blame the guy for sour grapes -- he needs to write a book, and maybe they can make his story into a movie so he can really cash in -- of course, he probably won't make a dime because the movie will be pirates! But the article is really funny because it shows just who the MPAA really are. They promised everything and delivered nothing!

"Anything you want" vs $15,000

Typical MPAA/Riaa deal making.

I'm sure his $15million check was cut due to various fees. His final cut was $15,000.

Obligatory bash.org quote

Couldn't resist... [bash.org]

Reporting on people for MPAA?

Hmmm... collecting private information to identify people without their knoweldge. I do believe MPAA would be breaking the law here in Canada. Let me talk to my security dude - I'm wondering if I could get the entire MPAA board executive but on Canada's TERRORIST watch list? Seeing how they're spying on Canadians violating privacy laws for 'yet-undetermined activities' - wouldn't that be funny...?

Stolen Property

Seems to me that the MPAA is now in possession of stolen property, for which they have knowingly paid money. After all, you can't reasonably defend yourself in court if you were to pay cash to someone who delivered you a car that could have only been stolen in the first place.

The judge dismissing the counter-suit against the MPAA is just one more entry on my list of why I'm really coming to truly hate apparently computer-illiterate federal judges!

Hypocrisy

So basically, the MPAA can obtain info illegally through someone else as long as they have a document that SAYS they expect the info to be collected legally while knowing full-well that the info has probably been obtained illegally. After all, if it was obtainable legally, they get the info themselves without paying $15K for it.

So, how come P2P companies can't use the EXACT SAME DEFENSE when they have disclaimers on their sites/apps saying that their products should not be used to illegally transfer content?

There are no life forms lower than hypocrites.

Benefit of the doubt...

The part that I found most interesting was this...

"But U.S. District Judge Florence-Marie Cooper in Los Angeles dismissed Bunnell's lawsuit Aug. 21 on the grounds that Anderson's intrusion did not violate the federal wiretapping statute. ... the court took note of the contract language between the MPAA and Anderson that represented any data from Anderson as being lawfully obtained."

This illustrates how the courts give the benefit of the doubt in disputes to big corporations. What business or individual is stupid enough to write the details of their illegal dealings down in their contracts? If a drug dealer wrote a contract saying that a loan was for another purpose but an informant testified that it was really for drugs, would HE get the benefit of the doubt?

Old News

Robert Anderson has been known to be an asshole for some time now. Take a look at this years-old quote from bash.org [bash.org]:

<AgentSmith> It seems you have been leading two lives, Mr. Anderson. In one life, you are Robert Anderson, assistant cook at a Jack in the Box in Mesquite....in the other...you go by the chat alias "Randerson"...spreading homosexual propoganda, lying, and being a generally immature pest...
<AgentSmith> One of these...has a future.
<Randerson> LMAO OMFG where's the phone, I have to tell Dean about this
<AgentSmith> How can you use the phone when you cannot...speak?
*** AgentSmith sets mode: +m

Re:Welcome to Hell

Get back to troll university, you still don't cut it.

Re:Ob. Matrix Quote

And I, Robert Anderson, think I'll take the pill with a swastika on it.

Re:When hypocrites attack...

Way to stand up to them anonymous coward. You sure showed us with those cutting remarks.

So sorry that some people feel there needs to be some balance in copyright and patent laws. That it shouldn't be cranked up to the max where we have a SWAT team busting down people doors, while at the same time it should not be dropped to zero protection where anyone with the ability to perform duplication (anyone with a computer) could start copying creative works willy nilly.

(My comments are not meant to imply that Hollywood studios are manufacturing creative works)

Re:Oh Please

You're right, there's no way an MPAA lawyer would say that - It's bound to constitute copyright infringement from some cheesy movie or other.

Re:Oh Please

"If you save Hollywood for us you can become rich and powerful"? Does anyone really think the MPAA's lawyers are dumb enough to give a quote like that?

Apparently, you've never had any dealings with talent scouts or record label A&R reps. They routinely promise the world to their prospects, but end up bending them over with no lube. This is entertainment industry SOP.

Cheers!

Strat

Re:When hypocrites attack...

So if I resort to illegal practices to protect an outdated business model that's no longer viable it's all right and fine? So those hackney drivers should've been allowed to slice car tires and blow up trains? Workers of a Detroit car plant should pool their last cents and rent a sub to sink those carrier ships from Japan?

Interesting point of view.

Re:When hypocrites attack...

So an association of businesses used legal methods to protect their legal and legitimate income stream.

      Mr. Coward, please tell me why I can't:

a) watch a DVD that I purchased legally on my television via the TV-Out port on my video card, using my computer's DVD drive to read this legal DVD? Macrovision prevents that. There are ways around it, but they are illegal due to the DMCA.

b) watch a DVD that I purchased legally in linux, because apparently Hollywood hasn't bothered to write an official DVD-decoder for that operating system, yet they maintain that if anyone else does it, it's a DMCA violation?

Re:When hypocrites attack...

Nah, I just rip them and remove the macrovision.

DVD's don't have Macrovision. They have a Macrovision flag. A legal player adds Macrovision to the player output. Rippers never bothered with the flag and don't have a Macrovision license to use the encoder.

If you paid extra for a ripper that "Removes Macrovision" you got ripped off. You would have to pay extra for a ripper that adds Macrovision.

Re:When hypocrites attack...

So an association of businesses just invoked the "All I said was "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"" defense to justify themselves, and now a bunch of mere peasant slashdotters are pointing up how they are acting like a historical tyrant because they're too dumb to realize the king has a divine right to oppress them?

Re:When hypocrites attack...

Those methods weren't legal.

Re:When hypocrites attack...

So an association of businesses used legal methods

Stop right there. There's nothing legal about buying stolen property especially if you know the property is stolen. It has yet to be determined if the MPAA knew the property was stolen.

Re:It's every CS job description !!!

You have a bunch of nerds (self included) with high speed Inet access, stacking up their harddrives with all the MP3/Divx/Porn/Animes/Warez they can find ...

Those are, incidentally, the names of the 5 hard drives I have in my desktop :)

Re:It's every CS job description !!!

The CIA's method:

1) Find geeks.
2) Gonzales says, "???" happened.
3) PROFIT!

Re:I am outraged!!!

...Outraged that something like this could happen somewhere and someone may or may not do something about it.

I'm outraged that he did it for 15k. He's really dragging down the market at that price; unless the house was the Playboy Mansion and the car was something with a name that Americans can't pronounce.