Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

News for nerds, stuff that matters

Slashdot Log In

Log In

Create Account  |  Retrieve Password

Man Hacks 911 System, Sends SWAT on Bogus Raid

Posted by Zonk on Wed Oct 17, 2007 03:33 PM
from the word-dumb-doesn't-cover-it dept.
An anonymous reader writes "The Orange County Register reports that a 19 year old from Washington state broke into the Orange County California 911 emergency system. He randomly selected the name and address of a Lake Forest, California couple and electronically transferred false information into the 911 system. The Orange County California Sheriff's Department's Special Weapons and Tactics Team was immediately sent to the home of a couple with two sleeping toddlers. The SWAT team handcuffed the husband and wife before deciding it was a prank. Says the article, 'Other law enforcement agencies have seen similar breaches into their 911 systems as part of a trend picked up by computer hackers in the nation called "SWATting"'"
+ -
story

Related Stories

This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
 Full
 Abbreviated
 Hidden
More
Loading... please wait.
  • by Speare (84249) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:40PM (#21014967) Homepage

    I totally don't condone the "prankster" jerk's behavior in this incident, or anything similar.

    However, I have to say that a silver lining in this sort of incident is that it might help the more zealous members of law enforcement (ever more beefy, ever more armored, ever more anonymous, ever more hair-triggered) remember that there are innocent people out there who don't deserve a knee in the back, a taser in the ass, or a broken door. A citizen who is drunk at a restaurant, or who is loud at a rally does not equate to being dangerous or resisting.

    When you assume, it makes an ass of you and me. When a cop assumes, all too often he reaches for his sidearm.

  • Jail time need (Score:5, Insightful)

    by moracity (925736) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:48PM (#21015115)
    If this kid doesn't get jail time, it's just time to do away with all of our laws. What's the point?

    The victimized family should bring a a civil suit and make sure they get a monetary judgement that docks his wages for years to come. If he gets away with it, we'll be hearing about him again.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 17 2007, @04:15PM (#21015577)
    For people who do this kind of stuff.

    Whitehat Grayhat Blackhat Asshat

    It may be the police's / politician's own fault for having the unprotected system and bla bla bla... But when they catch the guy who did it, 5+ years in the slammer I say. That's the kind of situation when you can take the Hacker Manifesto and wipe your ass with it.
    • Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)

      by onion2k (203094) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:38PM (#21014921) Homepage
      True, but in a good way. It's a pretty harrowing experience for the innocent victim but at least it was just a prank. A more nefarious criminal could use the same exploit to send a SWAT team to the other end of their jurisdiction while they carried out a robbery. This way the security flaw can be found and fixed with relatively little harm done.
      • Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)

        by MightyYar (622222) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:46PM (#21015073)
        I'd agree with you if the hackers had told the cops about the flaw and they didn't fix it - but in this case, they just exploited the flaw for their own amusement. Someone could have been killed, and then a lot of lives would have been ruined. Off the top of my head: the cop who shot an innocent or the innocent who shot a cop, the person who was shot, and possibly the hacker. Fucking with the cops is only funny in the movies.
        • Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 17 2007, @04:00PM (#21015335)
          Mod parent up. He's absolutely right and doesn't even know why--It's not at all funny that it's so appallingly EASY to fuck with people who have the power to arrest or execute someone who justifiably engages in defense of their home and family against armed invaders. In fact--it's downright distressing.

          The cops should be held responsible for acting with preparation and intent to utilize lethal force based solely upon such readily compromised intelligence, and the flaw should be fixed immediately. The hacker--an idiot. But everyone knows the old saying--fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. The cops have been getting fooled around the country for years and still done nothing to correct the situation.
        • Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)

          by GregPK (991973) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @04:17PM (#21015601)
          I dunno, I think these days you would've found yourself under arrest if you had warned the police about the exploit. Plus, they'd likely charge you for terrorism.
      • Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)

        by tnk1 (899206) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:47PM (#21015091)
        You say that, but good is relative.

        What if the guy whose house this is happened to be at home cleaning his gun in his basement or in some way looked threatening to someone who was looking to assault his house? Sure, SWAT is trained not to shoot first and ask questions later, but I wouldn't be particularly happy to be flashbanged or tear gassed because some little shit can send a SWAT team to my house for no reason.

        And of course, people who happened to be armed tend to look unfavorably at people attacking their home, whether they yell "Police" or not upon busting down their door. Sending a special weapons and tactics unit anywhere is a firefight waiting to happen.
      • Re:Good grief (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Guppy06 (410832) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:51PM (#21015157) Journal
        "It's a pretty harrowing experience for the innocent victim but at least it was just a prank."

        It's all fun and games until someone gets shot for resisting arrest?

      • Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)

        by sholden (12227) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:51PM (#21015177) Homepage
        Because no one has ever been killed in a SWAT raid before. Certainly never an innocent person.

        http://www.cato.org/raidmap/ [cato.org]

      • Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Hatta (162192) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:57PM (#21015277) Journal
        Just a prank? Good god man! Mistaken ID gets people killed in situations like this. Frequently these searches are executed without any announcement. Just men with guns breaking through your door. What's a good law abiding citizen going to do if they live in an area where home invasion robberies aren't uncommon? They're rightfully going to defend themselves. The cops will rightfully defend themselves. Long story short, people die because of lesser screw ups than this. Don't minimize it.
    • by east coast (590680) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:43PM (#21015007)
      So the SWAT team got hacked LOL

      You'll think that until you end up being on the short end of the stick. It's nice to have the police show up and you getting a few round from a MP5 popped into your chest for trying to make heads or tails of the commotion. Don't think it won't happen sooner or later. I know if someone was beating in my door at 3 a.m. the first things I'm reaching for is a flashlight and my H&K 45.

      Defacing a webpage is funny. Risking some unknown family's lives over a prank is just idiotic.
    • Alright so here's the rant:

      So do we all feel safer after the establishment of Homeland Security and the billions of dollars spent in upgrading the ease of violating our civil liberties here at home in the name of protecting those same distinctions that make America different? This is another nail in the coffin of fear that we're building for ourselves here in the name of safety. When our most basic methods of crying out for help to our protectors can so easily be broken and used by the tormentors I feel a tremendous sense of loss for what we could have done with the same motivation and money that has been spent on this fear mongering compaign with the almost transparent attempts to simply gain power using the real threats that we face as a shield. America is great because of the people who don't love it or leave it, but protect it and improve it. The swearing in of the presidency is the paramount symbol of this nation, to make an oath to protect America against threats forign and domestic and uphold the constitution. It's not a choice between the two. For without the constitution there would have been no America to protect. At least no America where you would have the rights that allow you to be protected in the first place.

      It's sad that the most basic of methods to protect the people is so vulnerable.
    • by LWATCDR (28044) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:51PM (#21015163) Homepage Journal
      "There are WAY too many stupid, unthinking individuals in law enforcement to allow them to act with this kind of force without some direct authorization from someone with at least a LITTLE sense."
      I guess you didn't read the story.
      It was a PHONE CALL. He somehow forged the CID and it looked like the call came from that address.
      So what you would like is this," Someone with an assault rife is trying to break into my home". We will send you some help as soon as we get permission?

      "We live in a time where fear is threatening *WAY* more people than terrorism ever could." Yep in in this case it is your fear of the goverment that is outside of reason. The police seemed to have acted properly in this case and showed good restraint. The man "heard" a noise in his backyard and went out with a "KITCHEN KNIFE" to see what it was. Brilliant... So the SWAT team after being told that there was someone with a weapon at that location runs into a guy in his PJs with a knife! And they didn't shoot him.
      • by SmallFurryCreature (593017) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @04:15PM (#21015573) Journal

        They are the real pro's and will NOT shoot you just because you got a knife. That is because unlike regular police they get to train, and train, and train, and train. A regular cop is someone who was given some extremely basic weapons training ages ago, vists a static shooting range every year or so and then in a split second has to go from ordinary average day routine into making a life and death decision.

        CAR ANOLOGY! (Didn't think I could do it in this story, well I can)

        You are an ordinary driver, you might have one day learned about what to do if you get into a skid, you may even have taken some training, but when you are just driving around and suddenly it all goes wrong and you are expected to suddenly get that 2 tons of metal out of a high speed skid, you probably will NOT do it as the book says.

        Unlike a rally driver, to whom this is routine.

        IF we want our regular police to be highly capable, and react correctly in an emergency, we better be prepared to pay them for endless training. Are we? No.

        Most people understand this, if you got a medical emergency, where do you go, the hospital OR your family doctor? To a building filled with strangers who deal with emergencies ALL the time, or the guy you know and trust but whose last training was 30 years ago?

        The swat team did what they are trained to do, lets hope this guys cellmate does what he has been training to do. He is going to get his ports probed.

    • Read the story (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Sycraft-fu (314770) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:54PM (#21015235)
      What the kid did was fake a call from the residence claiming that he had been shot and people were going to kill his sister. If I place a call like that, I WANT the SWAT team to kick in my door, I want 20 heavily armed people coming to save me. I don't want them to say "Well hang on a minute here, let's get the confirmation from the captain, a chief, a judge, and sit on it for day in case it's a hoax." I want them coming over and saving my life.

      Yes, had they gone to some other random house, then I'd be with you on needing authorization, however this was, as far as they could tell, an emergency call from the resident in need of immediate help. Given that the emergency call involved drugs, a shooting and a potential hostage situation, this was an appropriate response. When you call for help, that's all the authorization they should need. The failure is in the identification system, not in the response. Had this been a real call, that's the kind of power you want to send, especially if there's a potential hostage situation.
    • Re:Drugs (Score:5, Funny)

      by Grey_14 (570901) on Wednesday October 17 2007, @03:55PM (#21015253) Homepage
      The problem here is the illegality and absurdity of the drug war.

      Yeah, That's the problem with people hacking the 911 system to dispatch SWAT teams, good call.