Slashdot Log In
Man Hacks 911 System, Sends SWAT on Bogus Raid
Posted by
Zonk
on Wed Oct 17, 2007 03:33 PM
from the word-dumb-doesn't-cover-it dept.
from the word-dumb-doesn't-cover-it dept.
An anonymous reader writes "The Orange County Register reports that a 19 year old from Washington state broke into the Orange County California 911 emergency system. He randomly selected the name and address of a Lake Forest, California couple and electronically transferred false information into the 911 system. The Orange County California Sheriff's Department's Special Weapons and Tactics Team was immediately sent to the home of a couple with two sleeping toddlers. The SWAT team handcuffed the husband and wife before deciding it was a prank. Says the article, 'Other law enforcement agencies have seen similar breaches into their 911 systems as part of a trend picked up by computer hackers in the nation called "SWATting"'"
Related Stories
Firehose:Man hacks 911 system, sends SWAT on bogus raid. by Anonymous Coward
This discussion has been archived.
No new comments can be posted.
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
Full
Abbreviated
Hidden
Loading... please wait.
dealing with innocents (Score:5, Insightful)
I totally don't condone the "prankster" jerk's behavior in this incident, or anything similar.
However, I have to say that a silver lining in this sort of incident is that it might help the more zealous members of law enforcement (ever more beefy, ever more armored, ever more anonymous, ever more hair-triggered) remember that there are innocent people out there who don't deserve a knee in the back, a taser in the ass, or a broken door. A citizen who is drunk at a restaurant, or who is loud at a rally does not equate to being dangerous or resisting.
When you assume, it makes an ass of you and me. When a cop assumes, all too often he reaches for his sidearm.
Jail time need (Score:5, Insightful)
The victimized family should bring a a civil suit and make sure they get a monetary judgement that docks his wages for years to come. If he gets away with it, we'll be hearing about him again.
New hacker category (Score:5, Funny)
Whitehat Grayhat Blackhat Asshat
It may be the police's / politician's own fault for having the unprotected system and bla bla bla... But when they catch the guy who did it, 5+ years in the slammer I say. That's the kind of situation when you can take the Hacker Manifesto and wipe your ass with it.
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)
The cops should be held responsible for acting with preparation and intent to utilize lethal force based solely upon such readily compromised intelligence, and the flaw should be fixed immediately. The hacker--an idiot. But everyone knows the old saying--fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. The cops have been getting fooled around the country for years and still done nothing to correct the situation.
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)
What if the guy whose house this is happened to be at home cleaning his gun in his basement or in some way looked threatening to someone who was looking to assault his house? Sure, SWAT is trained not to shoot first and ask questions later, but I wouldn't be particularly happy to be flashbanged or tear gassed because some little shit can send a SWAT team to my house for no reason.
And of course, people who happened to be armed tend to look unfavorably at people attacking their home, whether they yell "Police" or not upon busting down their door. Sending a special weapons and tactics unit anywhere is a firefight waiting to happen.
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm afraid that I'd have to disagree with this. At least compared with normal officers, SWAT is indeed trained to shoot first.
This can be considered acceptable if SWAT usage is restricted to high risk situations, where not using these tactics is likely to result in more deaths, but some areas have them serving most of the warrents - even on unarmed, non-violent dentists moonlighting as bookies [washingtonpost.com].
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Interesting)
It's all fun and games until someone gets shot for resisting arrest?
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/ [cato.org]
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Insightful)
Parent
Re:Good grief (Score:5, Funny)
Parent
Re:So what state is the crime? (Score:5, Insightful)
You'll think that until you end up being on the short end of the stick. It's nice to have the police show up and you getting a few round from a MP5 popped into your chest for trying to make heads or tails of the commotion. Don't think it won't happen sooner or later. I know if someone was beating in my door at 3 a.m. the first things I'm reaching for is a flashlight and my H&K 45.
Defacing a webpage is funny. Risking some unknown family's lives over a prank is just idiotic.
Parent
Re:Forged CID (Score:5, Informative)
Parent
Okay, having rtfa (Score:5, Informative)
They handcuffed the homeowner because he went out in his skivvies with a kitchen knife because he thought he heard people on the lawn. I guess he saved his door getting kicked in, but I'm not sure he sees it as a good thing.
Parent
Re:Stupid & dangerous (Score:5, Funny)
Parent
Re:Stupid & dangerous (Score:5, Insightful)
It's usually not all that difficult to tell the difference between a police raid and a home invasion. The cops will not even attempt to be subtle once they start moving in.
Parent
Re:Stupid & dangerous (Score:5, Funny)
Parent
Obligatory and most likely ignored... (Score:5, Insightful)
So do we all feel safer after the establishment of Homeland Security and the billions of dollars spent in upgrading the ease of violating our civil liberties here at home in the name of protecting those same distinctions that make America different? This is another nail in the coffin of fear that we're building for ourselves here in the name of safety. When our most basic methods of crying out for help to our protectors can so easily be broken and used by the tormentors I feel a tremendous sense of loss for what we could have done with the same motivation and money that has been spent on this fear mongering compaign with the almost transparent attempts to simply gain power using the real threats that we face as a shield. America is great because of the people who don't love it or leave it, but protect it and improve it. The swearing in of the presidency is the paramount symbol of this nation, to make an oath to protect America against threats forign and domestic and uphold the constitution. It's not a choice between the two. For without the constitution there would have been no America to protect. At least no America where you would have the rights that allow you to be protected in the first place.
It's sad that the most basic of methods to protect the people is so vulnerable.
Parent
Re:One really stupid hack (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah. I get pretty embarrassed watching goth kids have sex too.
Parent
Re:Scary that a computer report alone... (Score:5, Insightful)
I guess you didn't read the story.
It was a PHONE CALL. He somehow forged the CID and it looked like the call came from that address.
So what you would like is this," Someone with an assault rife is trying to break into my home". We will send you some help as soon as we get permission?
"We live in a time where fear is threatening *WAY* more people than terrorism ever could." Yep in in this case it is your fear of the goverment that is outside of reason. The police seemed to have acted properly in this case and showed good restraint. The man "heard" a noise in his backyard and went out with a "KITCHEN KNIFE" to see what it was. Brilliant... So the SWAT team after being told that there was someone with a weapon at that location runs into a guy in his PJs with a knife! And they didn't shoot him.
Parent
If you got to be arrested, be it by swat (Score:5, Insightful)
They are the real pro's and will NOT shoot you just because you got a knife. That is because unlike regular police they get to train, and train, and train, and train. A regular cop is someone who was given some extremely basic weapons training ages ago, vists a static shooting range every year or so and then in a split second has to go from ordinary average day routine into making a life and death decision.
CAR ANOLOGY! (Didn't think I could do it in this story, well I can)
You are an ordinary driver, you might have one day learned about what to do if you get into a skid, you may even have taken some training, but when you are just driving around and suddenly it all goes wrong and you are expected to suddenly get that 2 tons of metal out of a high speed skid, you probably will NOT do it as the book says.
Unlike a rally driver, to whom this is routine.
IF we want our regular police to be highly capable, and react correctly in an emergency, we better be prepared to pay them for endless training. Are we? No.
Most people understand this, if you got a medical emergency, where do you go, the hospital OR your family doctor? To a building filled with strangers who deal with emergencies ALL the time, or the guy you know and trust but whose last training was 30 years ago?
The swat team did what they are trained to do, lets hope this guys cellmate does what he has been training to do. He is going to get his ports probed.
Parent
Read the story (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, had they gone to some other random house, then I'd be with you on needing authorization, however this was, as far as they could tell, an emergency call from the resident in need of immediate help. Given that the emergency call involved drugs, a shooting and a potential hostage situation, this was an appropriate response. When you call for help, that's all the authorization they should need. The failure is in the identification system, not in the response. Had this been a real call, that's the kind of power you want to send, especially if there's a potential hostage situation.
Parent
Re:Drugs (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, That's the problem with people hacking the 911 system to dispatch SWAT teams, good call.
Parent