The Man Behind Google's Ranking Algorithm
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CmdrTaco
on Sun Jun 03, 2007 09:45 AM
from the dear-god-no-more-seo-spam-please dept.
from the dear-god-no-more-seo-spam-please dept.
nbauman writes "New York Times interview with Amit Singhal, who is in charge of Google's ranking algorithm. They use 200 "signals" and "classifiers," of which PageRank is only one. "Freshness" defines how many recently changed pages appear in a result. They assumed old pages were better, but when they first introduced Google Finance, the algorithm couldn't find it because it was too new. Some topics are "hot". "When there is a blackout in New York, the first articles appear in 15 minutes; we get queries in two seconds," said Singhal. Classifiers infer information about the type of search, whether it is a product to buy, a place, company or person. One classifier identifies people who aren't famous. Another identifies brand names. A final check encourages "diversity" in the results, for example, a manufacturer's page, a blog review, and a comparison shopping site."
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Hrm, and all this time I though it was... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Hrm, and all this time I though it was... (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.buildastory.com/)
apple vs Apple (Score:1, Informative)
(Last Journal: Tuesday April 12 2005, @07:06AM)
Well the results for both "apple" and "Apple" are identical for me (apple computer dominated), with the exception of the text in the ads on the right hand side (which are both for apple computers). Maybe they are doing other stuff (Linux users prefer computers over fruit?).
Does anyone see anything different when they search for "apple" versus "Apple"?
Re:apple vs Apple (Score:5, Informative)
Amit Singhal ... (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.animal-assist.org/donate.html)
...only one? (Score:5, Funny)
How many did they expect PageRank to be? In the words of someone immortal, "There can be only one.".
North America Centric (Score:1)
I'll search for a product and the first page of results will all be *.co.uk results.
Not much use to that. Makes me think on how to rephrase the search, which is good.
Feature Request (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.threesquirrels.com/)
I would love a switch, or even a subscription, that would allow me to filter these usually useless types of pages and instead show me pages with real content.
Re:Feature Request (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.livejournal.com/users/ru_linux_geek)
http://www.givemebackmygoogle.com/ [givemebackmygoogle.com]
It just negates a whole lot of affliate sites.
This is part of the query it feeds to Google.
-inurl:(kelkoo|bizrate|pixmania|dealtime|pricerun
Re:Feature Request (Score:5, Informative)
You can filter out Wikipedia mirrors (using that extension) with the list here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirror_filter [wikimedia.org]
Many other things are goo(gle)d (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Many other things are goo(gle)d (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.scenepointblank.com/)
How does it work (Score:5, Informative)
Google breaks pages in words. Then, for evey word it keeps a set which contains all the pages (by hash ID) that contain that word. A set is a data structure with O(1) lookup.
When you search for "linux+kernel" google just does the set union operation on the two sets.
Now a "word" is not just a word. In google sees that many people use the combination linux+kernel, a new word is created, the linux+kernel word and it has a set of all the pages that contain it. So when you search for linux+kernel+ppp we find the union of the linux+kernel set and the "ppp" set.
So every time you search, you make it better for google to create new words. And this is part of the power of this search engine. A new search engine will need some time to gather that empirical data.
Of course, there are ranks of sets. For example, for the word "ppp" there are, say, two sets. The pages of high rank that contain the word ppp, and the pages of low rank. When you search for ppp+chap, first you get the set union of the high rank sets of the two words, etc.
Now page rank has several criteria. Here are some:
well ranked site/domain, linked by well ranked page, document contains relevant words, search term is in the title or url, page rank not lowered by google emploee (level 1), page rank increased, etc.
It is not very difficult actually.
(posting AC for a reason).
Now I understand (Score:5, Funny)
Googling Uncommon Characters and Exact Phrases (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Googling Uncommon Characters and Exact Phrases (Score:4, Informative)
(https://addons.mozil...&application=firefox)
Re:Googling Uncommon Characters and Exact Phrases (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.animats.com)
Yes. Try to find information on the web about the language "C+@". It's real, and it was developed at Bell Labs some years ago back in the Plan 9 era, but it's unsearchable.
One search feature (Score:5, Interesting)
This could allow for a better search result when using for example "APPLE NEAR MACINTOSH" or "APPLE NEAR BEATLES"
Ho hum... Times changes and not always for the better...
Toileat seat (Score:4, Funny)
(http://wod.home.dyndns.org/)
Google is human too (Score:5, Insightful)
if only... (Score:1)
(http://grikdog.blogspot.com/)
The most annoying thing about Google's results... (Score:1, Insightful)
(http://www.sc2blog.com/)
Blogs are read only by bloggers and the press, and present absolutely no interest to normal people (including me). Currently, because of google's idiotic blog fetish, I have to eliminate 50% of the results just based on URLs, hoping that I won't stumble upon someone's personal ramblings. Blogs became popular only due to google's absolutely unexplainable love to blog content, and sticking it into perfectly normal search results, it's like searching in a world-wide-Myspace now.
The most amazing thing is when Google puts blog search results above the source of the story, to which the blogs are linking in the first place. I'm just waiting for this fad to die out like podcasting did. Unfortunatly, google controls the popularity blogging so it won't die out naturally, google at least has to stop indexing them... or put a "show/hide blog results" checkbox...
Page rank is only a part of the story (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Those are the things that keep them ahead. Page rank is pretty much solved by now, which is why this dude is allowed to talk about it even at this level of detail.
WRT page rank it'd be interesting to know how they train the classifiers and individual classifier weights. The problem is that human experiments are extremely expensive for this stuff.
Re:Page rank is only a part of the story (Score:4, Informative)
A classifier is a black box which takes some data as input, and computes one or more scores. The simplest example is a binary classifier, say for spam. You feed some data (eg an email) and you get a score back. If it's a big score say, then the classifier thinks it's spam, and if it's a small score it's not spam. More generally, a classifier could give three scores to represent spam, work, home, and you could pick the best score to get the best choice.
So you should really think of a classifier as a little program that does one thing really well, and only one thing. For example, you can build a small classifier that looks if the input text is english or russian. That's all it does.
Now imagine you have 100 engineers, and each engineer has a specialty, and each builds a really small classifier to do one thing well. The logic of each classifier is black boxed, so from the outside it's just a component, kind of like a lego brick. What happens when you feed the output of one lego brick to the input of another lego brick?
Say you have three classifiers: english spam recognizer, russian spam recognizer, english/russian identifier. You build a harness which uses the english/russian identifier first, and then depending on the output your program connects the english spam recognizer or the russian spam recognizer.
Now imagine a huge network with some classifiers in parallel and some classifiers in series. At the top there's the query words, and they travel through the network. One of the classifiers might trigger word completion (ie bio -> biography as in the article), another might toggle the "fresh" flag, or the "wikipedia" flag etc. In the end, your output is a complicated query string which goes looking for the web pages.
The key idea now is to tweak the choice thresholds. To do that, there's no theory. You have to have a set of standard queries with a list of the outputs the algorithm must show. Let's say you have 10,000 of these queries. You run each query through the machine, and you get a yes/no answer for each one, and you try to modify the weights so that you get a good number of correct queries.
Of course you want to speed things up as much as possible, you can use mathematical tricks to find the best weights, you don't need to go get the actual pages if your output is a query string you just compare the query string with the expected query string etc, but that would be depend on your classifiers, the scheme used to evaluate the test results, and how good your engineers are.
The point is that there's no magic ingredient, it's all ad-hoc. Edison tried a hundreds of different materials for the filament in his lightbulb. Google is doing the same thing according to the article. What matters for this kind of approach is a huge dataset (ie bigger than any competitors') and a large number of engineers (not just to build enough components, but to deprive its competitors of manpower). The exact details of the classifier components aren't too important if you have a comprehensive way of combining them.
Re:I'm familiar with all this stuff (Score:4, Interesting)
When you say that your system is limited by human involvement, I presume you mean that implementing new features can have serious impact on the overall design (and therefore on testing procedures)? Feel free to not answer if you can't.
One thing I found interesting in the article is that Google's system sounds like it scales well. It reminded me of antispam architectures like Brightmail's (if memory serves), which have large numbers of simple heuristics which are chosen by an evolutionary algorithm. The point is that new heuristics can be added trivially without changing the architecture. I think their system used 10,000 when they described it a few years ago at an MIT spam conference. Adjustments were done nightly by monitoring spam honeypots.
I'd love to see better competition in the search engine space. I hope you succeed at improving your tech.
Break through! (Score:1)
>>A search-engine tweak gave more weight to pages with phrases like "French Revolution" rather than pages that simply had both words.
So, now search engines are giving more importance to connected words rather than scattered words. How refreshing!
The Man Behind Google's Ranking Algorithm (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Monday October 15, @11:53PM)
http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html [google.com]
"Millions Of Black Boxes"? (Score:4, Interesting)
"Google rarely allows outsiders to visit the unit, and it has been cautious about allowing Mr. Singhal to speak with the news media about the magical, mathematical brew inside the millions of black boxes that power its search engine."
I could see tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, but millions?
do no evil? (Score:1)
But then they changed the algorithm and now Google Finance site is at the top.
The most informative line in the article... (Score:1)
Old google data (Score:1)
When i search Google usually gives me information from 2001, 2002, 2003 and it is hard to tell it i want only data from 2006/2007. The problem is that the sites that end up in the search constantly refresh the ads and links around their old stories which makes google think its fresh.
This was not a big problem when most of the internet content was no more than a year old. This problem will get worse unless Google is smarter about recognising that the core content of a page (magazine story, whitepaper etc) was written in 2002 and it is now out of date and should be further down the list than something written in 2007.
Re:Google... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Google sucks. (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.animal-assist.org/donate.html)
Re:Algorithm? (Score:2, Insightful)