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Critical Security Hole in Linux Wi-Fi
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CmdrTaco
on Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:34 AM
from the nobody's-perfect dept.
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thisispurefud writes "A flaw has been found in a major Linux Wi-Fi driver that can allow an attacker to run malicious code and take control of a laptop, even when it is not on a Wi-Fi network."
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patched already (Score:4, Insightful)
So here is a Linux driver problem, a patch is available, though not widely dispersed. The news here is that even in a largely neglected (though it shouldn't be) slice of the Open Source technology, specifically the deadly difficult wi-fi landscape, bugs are found and fixed right away (at least that's the gist of part of the article).
I'm more afraid of the neglected patches MSFT deems behind closed doors as not important enough to reveal to the public. How many zero-day exploits is MSFT discussing behind those closed doors right now, and what are they deciding about the fate of security to my machines?
I know I'm spinning here, but I don't find it much of a stretch to interpret this as good PR for the Linux world -- they find problems, they fix them.
(It doesn't seem to fix the other problem... I'm so sad and tired of trying to get laptops running linux reliably with wi-fi, I barely even bother messing with it anymore... If I want wireless linux on a laptop, I'm doing via Vmware's bridge. It shouldn't be like this.)
There's more to the world than Microsoft. (Score:5, Insightful)
What I see is more the horrible state of software security. A security model that relies on all the writers of driver code in your computer to do their job right is a poor security model.
I know I'm spinning here, but I don't find it much of a stretch to interpret this as good PR for the Linux world -- they find problems, they fix them.
Great.. I guess I'd rather have the Linux World where there aren't any serious problems to begin with. The larger picture here is that computer security kinda sucks, not that Microsoft is better/worse at it than Linux is.
I'm so sad and tired of trying to get laptops running linux reliably with wi-fi, I barely even bother messing with it anymore
Huh. I've had very good luck recently with Ubuntu. The built in wifi in my laptop worked out of the box with Ubuntu, and two other cards I own worked as well.
It hasn't always been like this of course. A couple years ago WiFi support was extremely lacking.
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Re:There's more to the world than Microsoft. (Score:5, Insightful)
1. It just isn't possible to make software ultra-secure and free of vulnerabilities. I.e. you cannot expect *any* piece to be 100% secure, ever.
2. It is possible, but the costs of making software ultra-secure is so high that it's not worth it. Customers would rather pay a lower price for a slightly less secure system than a much larger price for a 100% secure system.
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Re:There's more to the world than Microsoft. (Score:5, Insightful)
3. C/C++ make it really easy to screw up.
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Re:There's more to the world than Microsoft. (Score:5, Interesting)
The good news is that the rise of virtualisation means that IOMMUs are going to become a lot more common in the next few years.
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Re:There's more to the world than Microsoft. (Score:4, Informative)
What I see is more the horrible state of software security. A security model that relies on all the writers of driver code in your computer to do their job right is a poor security model.
You're right. Unfortunately with the current design of PC hardware it's difficult to provide protection from poorly written drivers. For example, it's very common for drivers to be able to (a) initiate DMA transfers to/from any part of physical memory, and (b) lock the PCI bus by messing with the bus arbitration. You can do things like having an exokernel [wikipedia.org] -- small trusted multiplexers go in the kernel and the larger parts of your drivers sit (untrusted) in userspace, but performance generally sucks. Some hardware (eg. graphics cards) makes it hard even to do this.
Luckily virtualisation is driving better solutions, and they're coming to a PC near you soon (in fact, they've already come to the PCs I'm using daily, but those are test articles). Primarily with virtualisation we want to be able to hand off devices to untrusted guest operating systems. For example give each guest its own physical network card. That won't work too well if guests can stomp on each others memory using DMA transfers. The new hardware actually has hardware support to stop the guests doing bad things.
Look at Intel's VT-d [intel.com] for example.
Rich.
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Re:patched already (Score:4, Insightful)
Wireless works out-of-the-box (or soon after) - with a recent distribution of Linux - on most laptops these days.
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Re:patched already (Score:4, Informative)
The module in question is found here [madwifi.org]. (slow to load)
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Re:patched already (Score:5, Informative)
Or rather, a small open-source Linux compatibility shim around the actual, binary only driver.
Look further into that link you pasted:
http://madwifi.org/browser/trunk/hal/public [madwifi.org]
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> The module in question is found here. (slow to load)
Ah, so the flaw is in the open source shim part. Fooey. =/
As an aside, and as I suspect you might already know, there is an effort to replace the binary-only part of that driver with Free software, and the Madwifi people have cooperated as much as they're able. They even host the development in their own repository:
http://madwifi.org/browser/branches/madwifi-old-o
Cheers!
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Re:Mod parent down (Score:4, Insightful)
In this case, the vulnerability is in a 3rd party driver and not in the kernel itself. Nevertheless the not-so-techie reader just reads "Linux vulnerability".
Btw. Dont forget that the public is used to hear about Windows vulnerabilities, they dont notice them anymore.
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Re:patched already (Score:5, Insightful)
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Complex Hack (Score:5, Funny)
Once again, Linux is safe from such a common attack because only seven people have successfully set up WPA. If this had been a Windows flaw, where every machine natively understands WPA and no work at the command prompt is needed, this would be disastrous.
This shows that Linux has been taking the right stand. By making the machine difficult to get running, it's unlikely that the machine will be able to connect to anything and become infected. Windows made the mistake of making the machine easy to use, allowing for simply network connection and ease of ownership (OWN3D).
Not Overly Complex Hack (Score:4, Interesting)
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Tag.. (Score:5, Funny)
First reported December 2006 (Score:5, Informative)
I am a bit confused... (Score:5, Informative)
http://madwifi.org/changeset/1842 [madwifi.org]
Fixed Dec 15th on my box (Score:5, Informative)
It looks that way to me.
Unless this is a different vulnerability, Debian applied the fix [debian.org] over four months ago, two days after the patch was available, and eight days after the vulnerability was first reported [grok.org.uk]
I saw the article and immediately started aptitude to get the fix, only to discover that I already got it, two weeks before Christmas. Nice.
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Re:Fixed Dec 15th on my box (Score:5, Funny)
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What!? (Score:5, Funny)
Okay, easy...just saying this is one area that's always been behind in Linux.
Re:Oh, madwifi. Surprise! Closed source still suck (Score:4, Informative)
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Fixed! (Score:5, Insightful)
You are overlooking the way that most Joe Linux users get their updates - automatically. When security flaws are found and patches are delivered, you can guarantee that the people who package that software at Redhat, Ubuntu, Debian and other major distributions are aware of the update. Those security patches will be tested and rolled out into the main update repositories, probably within 24 hours to all the mirrors worldwide. The automatic update daemon on Joe User's modern Linux distro will be downloading the update within the next 24 hours or sooner. From security patch being announced to patched home computer in 48 hours in the worst-case scenario.
One of the nicest things about the distro's automatic updates is that this applies to ALL packages in the distro. I don't need to worry about Apache needing it's own updater. So no - the average Joe running Linux does not suffer - he gets informed about the update or even has it applied without manual intervention depending on the settings. Joe benefits and so does the community who recognise that fixing security flaws promptly is key.
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
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Re:Fixed! -not! (Score:5, Interesting)
It gets worse. I don't even know if I'm running a madwifi driver or not. I looked at the running processes, but there's nothing obvious there. I don't know if madwifi is called something else in the process list. I do know I have a Atheros chip.
The point I'm trying to make is more than just displaying ignorance. The point is that it may be hard for those of you who are close to the subject to realize just how opaque it is to those of us who aren't. If you're in the know, share their knowledge. It's kind of frustrating, from my perspective, to hear, "It's all automatic, and if it's not, you're just too hopeless to deal with."
(All that said, you're quite right that when updates are applied automatically and effectively, both the clueless and the clued benefit. That's why I'm getting my next system with Ubuntu on it!)
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Re:Fixed! -not! (Score:5, Informative)
You won't be getting any updates for FC3 since the Fedora Project has dropped support for that. If you like the Fedora distribution you can go with FC6 or wait for May 24 when FC7 is due to be released. Otherwise, Ubuntu is a fine distribution.
Try this:
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madwifi links. (Score:5, Informative)
The madwifi howto is here [madwifi.org]. It seems that you can type, "lsmod | grep ath_pci" to find out if you are running the supposedly exploited module. My simple Etch system does not have this or wlanconfig tools by default, though those tools look very nice and I'm sure this little problem will be fixed quickly.
I have to agree with you about the uselessness of the PC World article. Besides not having any useful information, it's filled with FUD about free software wifi and confused "popularity argument" babble. In short it's more of a, "everyone else has these problems too, so Windoze away," pacifier than it is a news article.
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Re:In other news.. (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, this kind of crap goes away when you stop using NULL terminated strings and put in size checks.
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