Download And Burn Movies Available Soon 97
An anonymous reader writes "According to an article from PC World, a source close to the CSS Managed Recording forum said that technology which allows movies to be downloaded and burned to blank DVDs, using the same content-protection system as commercial discs, received official approval on Thursday. 'The technology will require discs that are slightly different from the conventional DVD-Rs found in shops today. The burned discs will be compatible with the vast majority of consumer DVD players ... Despite Thursday's approval, services that allow consumers to legally download and burn movies in their own homes are unlikely to appear quickly. The DVD CCA said it will be initially restricted to professional uses. These might include kiosks in retail stores where consumers can purchase and burn discs in a controlled environment.'"
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And further.. to continue the cries downloading is the way to go (especially in the middle of this HD-format battle we're in),instead of a shiny silvery thing (complete with its case, booklet, promo materials) we're going to be satisfied with a download direct to a black box? You think that box is going to have any to get that content out of it? Especially if the RIAA/Hollywood/Insert-Your-Favorite-Boogeyman-her
I've been watching this trend with music (iTunes, etc..), I see people think it's the cat's balls for video.. and I simply don't get it. Or I'm to materialistic and prefer the tangible product in my hand compared to some stuff on a harddrive somewhere which is (imho) prone to higher levels of control or loss due to failure..
-r (or maybe it's just another sign i'm getting older..
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Maybe when the entire nation is wired with fiber from end to end downloading might make sense. But even on the Comcast 8Mbps service I'm on, there's no way I'm tying up my connection to download possibly a 9GB movie. Subjectively, what movie in recent years would be worth it?
In the time it would take me to download and burn to disc, I could make the trip to the local Blockbuster three times over.
You get it alright, it's those infatuated wi
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Sure, it'd be slower than driving to the store and getting it, but it'd actually tie up less of my time, as once I have it in the que I merely have to wait for it to be delivered.
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Now, I have a video store around the corner. Maybe 2 minute walk. So no, I can not download a movie quicker than I could rent it. But the video store closest doesn
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People think it's better until 52GB of their music collection vanishes from their system because they forgot to de-authorize their computers, their music player HD crashes, and they don't have any other backup medium.
People think it's better because EVERYONE else tells them it is. Yay, having an iPod is cool. Ooh, shiny
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Ohhhhh (Score:5, Funny)
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Well, technically, DVD-Rs are non-standard, since they are smaller than normal DVDs. (Of course, DVD-R is a standard unto its own, but nevertheless...)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvd [wikipedia.org]
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Well, if I remember the way CSS works correctly then it's simply a matter of DVDs where sector 0 is writable. That was the way they prevent 1:1 copies.
Pressed disks, DVD masters: Sector 0 CSS key, Sector 1-whatever data.
Consumer disks: Sector 0 all zeros, Sector 1-whatever data.
So it's not as much "non-standard" as it's probably "Will be used to burn a movie and we'll charge you as much as one"...
So we crack it again? (Score:2)
The real obstacle would be if it requires special software -- which I'd imagine it does. But if they let us download anything resembling an ISO or a BIN/CUE, like we're used to, then this could actually be useful.
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But the biggest hurdle of any new video/audio storage format is getting access to the much larger catalogue, if a copyright/distribution holder of a particular piece of work that's out of print in every currently available format says "no" or it's held up in legal issues (like for example "The Keep" which I want on DVD instead of my origin
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I've never used the excuse that I download a movie via bittorrent because it's "rare/not available locally". I do it because I hate DRM, Copy Protection, and the way the Military/Intellectual Property/Industrial Complex has hurt the very art forms I love most.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psy
Yawn... (Score:2, Informative)
This is a lie. And if I learned something from history (and e.g. Sony advertising), then that this is a lie...
The DVD CCA said it will be initially restricted to professional uses. These might include kiosks in retail stores where consumers can purchase and burn discs in a controlled environment.
That's not professional use. It's a business model that will fail. If I learned something from history, then that this is one of
Re:Legal in own home? (Score:5, Insightful)
The preferred argument of wife-beaters everywhere!
Re:Legal in own home? (Score:4, Insightful)
At what point does the "legal in my own home" argument fail to hold water? And if it fails to work at some point, what does that say about the entire argument?
For example, is it legal to shoot heroin in your house? How about meth? Is it legal to pass counterfeit bills to your drug dealer? Can you deprive him of liberty if he calls you on it? Is murder legal in your own home? How about arson to hide the evidence of the previous "legal" activities?
If your argument fails at some point in that chain, does it continue to work for your original "legal in my own home" actions?
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It sure as hell should be.
How about "victimless" or "consensual" crimes should be legal in your own home? In fact, how about we just get rid of consensual crimes altogether? [mcwilliams.com]
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But if there are no negative consequences to others (or the expected consequences fall below some minimum "noise" level) then the state should not i
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I'm assuming from your statement that you have decided that pirating music and movies in your home constitutes "no harm", or at least not enough harm to invoke the laws.
Does that mean that it's legal for you to download pirated copies, AND legal for others to make them available to you to download, assuming they're in their homes? Does the fact that the activity uses the Internet to leave your respective homes enter into the equation? Suppose you decide to operate Pirate Bay from your home of
I don't get it (Score:5, Insightful)
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Tom
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So I am going to walk into Best Buy, walk up to a kiosk, pick the movie I want to watch, wait 5-10 minutes for it to download and burn on this special DVD, pay for it, and walk out? As opposed to me just grabbing the movie off the shelf and skipping the burning-downloading part?
There is apparently a large gap between reality and media execs. Nothing really new here.
not so fast ... how about you browse the collection from home, you order the cd-s/dvd-s and you go to the store and pick them when you have some time? .. or get em by mail? ... or you browse the collection from an in-store kiosk or just as usual from a shelf .. enter your choices using some terminal .. and have the stuff mailed later.
in the end.. this is just an idea, a technology ... it's is neither inherently bad nor good .. just wait till they implement it and start selling stuff based on that .. th
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Also, consider the distribution of bandwidth. Assuming we're fetching say 5GB [average] movies. To download the movie in 15 mins you'd need to sustain a rate of 5.68MiB/sec which is fairly high for consumer net connections. Now suppose you
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So we should call ahead, wait 15, 20, 30, ??? minutes, then drive [likely] to the store, pick it up, and drive back. As opposed to downloading it at home, watching and saving the trip to the store, which for most folk is what they're trying to avoid in the first place.
multiple lvls of misunderstanding in your answer.. i guess my point was not clear enough :(
first of all .. i mentioned a second option in my post - choose discs from home and have them mailed .. so, no leaving the darling couch, no trip to the store and i dont get your point.
second .. the GP compared this tech with an EXISTING "technology", the store-shelf experience and concluded it is worst .. i only put the "browse home, buy at the store" samplé to demonstrate it *may* also be better.
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So I am going to walk into Best Buy, walk up to a kiosk, pick the movie I want to watch, wait 5-10 minutes for it to download and burn on this special DVD, pay for it, and walk out? As opposed to me just grabbing the movie off the shelf and skipping the burning-downloading part?
A DVD costs pennies to make/transport.... (Score:4, Insightful)
A DVD costs pennies to make/transport (I get plenty of them for free with magazines/etc.). Installing all the hardware/infrastructure needed for this system will cost a fortune.
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It'd answer many of the problems with finding movies that the store doesn't happen to have in stock.
Need more imagination. (Score:5, Interesting)
A good example would be a kiosk at a supermarket. You could come in, choose a movie, swipe your credit card, start the burn process, when it's done, it could set it aside until you swipe your credit card again, after you are done shopping. It could use DVD-RW and predict demand for popular movies and keep recycling disks, so that if you pick a popular movie it doesn't even have to burn it. It could do this all through the night and at 10 minutes a disk (conservative estimate) could produce 144 DVDs a day. More likely it'd be closer to double that.
Even more obvious is that it could be integrated into an online service that would let you choose movies and guarantee their availability when you go to the store. Browse online then simply pick it up when you go for groceries. Convenience and instant gratification.
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A definite advantage to the store to expand the inventory without wasting space. A psychological advantage for stupid media execs who think that "using the same content-protection system as commercial discs" prevents piracy. To the knowledgeable consumer, it's massive waste of money the stu
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Obviously if you're looking for some popular movie it will be available "Pre-burned." But with this system you can order anything you like. If you're at a mall you could continue shopping and pick it up at the end. And presumably i
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This is really just a shift of production in location. The movies are now being burned in a store instead of at some production facility. So far, technologically, there's nothing to talk about, except now that when bandwidth becomes cheaper in the near future, and DVD-R disks become cheaper as we
CSS?? (Score:3, Interesting)
So why bother? It's been broken for over 7 years. Unless...
The technology will require discs that are slightly different from the conventional DVD-Rs found in shops today
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There're already a large number of DRMd CDs sold in stores which don't fit the definition, as outlined by the standard, of CDs...
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And all to support a protection mechanism which can be broken trivially with DVD Decrypter.
Another disc format ? (Score:5, Funny)
computer store conversation
customer: hello, my son says i need some blank dvds for my holiday video
Salesman: certainly sir which would you require ?
customer: iam not sure
salesman: well is it DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-HD, DVD-RAM, DVD+RW, DVD-RW, DVD+DL, DVD-DL, DVDRW+DL, DVDRW-DL ?
customer: erm iam not sure DVDR i was told
salesman: ok lets say its DVD-R what speed would you like?
customer: ??
salesman: 1-4x, 2-8x or 4-16x
customer: ???
salesman: and would it be an Organic layer based disc or Gold archival format ?
customer: forget it i'll just have a box of VHS tapes please
Re:Another disc format ? (Score:4, Insightful)
Salesman: would you like Sony, TDK, Memorex or own brand
Customer: er, Sony
Salesman: what grade would you like? XB, XBR, XBR-E
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Usually I'm standing in front of those miles of different media, pondering, considering and finally choosing the wrong kind.
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This is why I hate format wars. When the customer goes to the store, he should just have one thing to say: "I need an extra n GigaBytes of storage added to my home server."
(Ok, this is where you insert the joke about the salesman asking whether he wants USB or Firewire or ethernetted-NAS. *sigh* Damn, you people...)
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Then when we really need to pick up a physical item, we can hop in our flying car and get it.
unwanted technology (Score:1)
Convenience for who? (Score:4, Insightful)
It just reinforces in my mind that consumers are merely obstacles between the studios and their money, and technology is merely a lubricant to ease the movement of money from us to them. Nothing else matters - in fact anything else is an obstacle.
and available for Linux? (Score:2)
Price (Score:1)
What a bargin! LOLz
Waste of money. (Score:5, Interesting)
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I guess DVD production is a simpler task but I can't imagine it will be successful.
I don't get it (Score:2, Insightful)
Anyone think... (Score:3, Insightful)
they have not let go of their strangle hold yet (Score:3, Insightful)
You can bet those disks, which cost them a nickel to make, will cost you $7 apiece. They are not going to stop robbing us, they are just trying to make it less obvious.
Consumer? (Score:2)
There are so many unwarranted uses of the word "consumer" in TFS and TFA it isn't funny.
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The requirement that people burn in stores rather than at home is inevitable once they decided to use non standa
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Umm okay? (Score:1, Insightful)
Why own? (Score:3, Insightful)
Still, for those rare dvd's one does want to own, why would you want a shit burned DVD with some crap injet label instead of a slick case with insert?
Yet another example of too little too late (Score:2)
They should do something innovative instead of trying to release pointless and unwanted variants of the old sales model.
I say this is pointless because anyone with a dvd burner and a subscription to netflix or blockbuster can already do more than this 'new concept' is offering. Furthermore they can still use standard media, and it probably costs a lot less per copy.
Hmm. (Score:2)
Sorry bucko, Blockbuster is faster. (They made you return the video).
Good thinking (Score:2)
Because teenagers and college kids working in kiosks will prevent their friends and peers from making unauthorized duplications of any film without the express written consent of the MPAA, Skywalker Studios, and George Lucas.
Almost a Good Idea.... (Score:1)
A Modest Proposal
Seems to me a better way to do this would be simply to sell two kinds of DVDs in retail stores, including a new kind that gives the RIAA a fee in place of royalties in exchange for the granting of rights to download and burn any kind of copyrighted material onto that disk anywhere. This fee, of course, would be added to the cost of the DVD the consumer pays.
So those who want the RIAA to get their pound of flesh can do so and burn with a clear legal conscience, and those who prefer to
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Techological progress (Score:1)
You Can Do This Already (Score:1)
A blast from the past! (Score:2)
I remember Blockbuster was going to be providing burn-on-demand VHS tapes Real Soon Now, about 10 years ago... I see this having almost exactly the same chance of becoming a reality.
You call this news? (Score:1)