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The Numbers Stations Analyzed, Discussed
Journal written by GMontag (42283) and posted by
Zonk
on Fri Dec 29, 2006 05:33 PM
from the creepy-to-listen-to dept.
from the creepy-to-listen-to dept.
GMontag wrote to mention a Washington Post article about the always-intriguing 'number' radio broadcasts. The numbers stations, as they are known, are 'hiding in plain sight' spycraft. Random digits broadcast at little-used frequencies are known to be intelligence agencies broadcasting their secrets in encrypted form. The Post article gives a nice run-down on the truth behind the transmissions, and touches a bit on the odd community that has grown fascinated by them. From the article: "On 6840 kHz, you may hear a voice reading groups of letters. That's a station nicknamed 'E10,' thought to be Israel's Mossad intelligence. Chris Smolinski runs SpyNumbers.com and the 'Spooks' e-mail list, where 'number stations' hobbyists log hundreds of shortwave messages transmitted every month. 'It's like a puzzle. They're mystery stations,' explained Smolinski, who has tracked the spy broadcasts for 30 years."
This article made me recall a great All Things Considered story from a few years back about Akin Fernandez's 'Numbers' CD, a CD compilation of some of the most interesting strings of randomly read numbers reaching out across the airwaves.
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1258965 (Score:5, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/~TechnoLust/journal/ | Last Journal: Monday March 26 2007, @09:36PM)
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Re:1258965 (Score:5, Funny)
(Last Journal: Saturday October 27, @08:59PM)
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Re:1258965 (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.underachievement.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday January 21 2007, @10:58PM)
Slash has its own numbers station (Score:4, Interesting)
Numbers Stations Move From Shortwave To VoIP [slashdot.org].
Porcupine tree (Score:1)
(http://www.lightsecond.org/)
-C
IP Addresses (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday January 29 2003, @02:50AM)
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Re:IP Addresses (Score:5, Funny)
C0016UY: 1337641: 69?
1337641: 637 1057!
Re:IP Addresses (Score:5, Funny)
(http://elgoog.rb-hosting.de/)
Re:IP Addresses (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.utimegames.com/)
A fine, upstanding gentleman: Dearest, skilled lady... wouldst thou join me in mine bedchambers for some chaste frolicking?
Skilled lady: Alas! No, I must not! For thou art neither truly updstanding, nor the gentleman thou claim'st to be. Now, leav'st me be posthaste!
I've picked these up on short wave (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Thursday June 07, @02:55PM)
Re:I've picked these up on short wave (Score:5, Funny)
Twice.
I spent a lot on booze and whores.
I wasted the rest.
Re:I've picked these up on short wave (Score:4, Funny)
And if you're going to steal, get it right! George's wording was far better:
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
See? That word: squandered. Much, much better than wasted. You can waste anything but only riches can be squandered. And you forgot the fast cars [photobucket.com]. Unforgivable.
Re:I've picked these up on short wave (Score:5, Funny)
(http://icdweb.cc.purdue.edu/~klowe1/)
Re:CIA? I suspect not. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:CIA? I suspect not. (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Tuesday October 19 2004, @06:57AM)
Now, it's hard to say if the US transmits numbers, but it's pretty clear that there appears to be some intelligence value in teaching the electronic warfare people how to listen to streams of numbers in other languages.
It's probably a great way to send one-way messages to the field. A simple AM radio can be modified work in different frequencies. With that and a normal-looking one-time-pad code book can go a long way to providing secure communication that is inconspicuous.
So, the CIA might not do it, but other countries and services probably do.
HF, VHF, UHF... (Score:5, Informative)
(http://kadin.sdf-us.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday October 16, @01:46PM)
Of course, by calling things in the 1-30 MHz range "high frequency," those engineers forced us to use such terms as "very high frequency," and "ultra high frequency" when equipment finally became capable of transmitting at those wavelengths.
There was a BBC radio programme about this... (Score:5, Informative)
(http://jamesholden.net/)
http://jamesholden.net/2005/04/23/the-lincolnshir
Oooo, just heard a broadcast (Score:2, Funny)
1 2 3 4 5? That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!
free 4 cd album of number stations recordings (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Tuesday October 30, @05:04PM)
It's not music, it's numbers stations. You can take a listen at just a few mp3s to check what a number station sounds like.
That explains it... (Score:3, Funny)
(http://www.creimer.ws/ | Last Journal: Friday January 26 2007, @12:40PM)
I suppose your questions have been answered... (Score:2)
Forty Two.
Ob Penny Arcade (Score:2)
Shortwave (Score:5, Interesting)
Source code (Score:5, Funny)
The "numbers" stations only exist to confuse people. On Wednesdays, we have "beer" day, where you are entitled to a beer from the cooler if the number 12725 comes out.
So we had one day, last year, where somebody (I think it was the Chinese) hacked our main server, and made it broadcast 12725 continuously all day. So there we were, plastered out of our mind, when 270 Lbs of fissionable material was stolen from our floor. The investigation is due to be completed sometime around 2021 - we don't talk about that very much.
Anyway, here's the source code: Information wants to be free!
Neat (Score:3, Interesting)
Ad revenue (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.hypothetical.net/kennric/)
Or worse:
1) Create personal numbers station with especially intriguing sequences to draw audience
2) Sell ads on your personal number station
3) Profit!
4 8 15 16 23 42 (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.splunk.com/)
Conet Project MP3 Download (Score:4, Informative)
Broadcasting From Here (Score:2, Interesting)
It's quite likely they're broadcasting from here Google Satellite [google.com]
That's Ayios Nikolaos [wikipedia.org]. Supposedly part of the Echelon network. If you look to the north of the building, there's a large mast that might easily be a short-wave antenna.
Next: Numbers Websites / Numbers IRC Channels (Score:2)
(http://www.wyomissing.com/bennett/)
Ron
Time Bomb. (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:Time Bomb. (Score:5, Informative)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Re:Time Bomb. (Score:4, Informative)
No.
Decrypting one-time pads isn't hard because there isn't enough compute power to throw at it. It's hard because it can't be broken, no matter what you do to it. Given a message to decrypt, the best an enemy cryptanalyst can do is random chance. There are better ways of compromising secrets.
This is a well-established result in encryption and there is no point in arguing about it. The only time one-time pad encryption has ever been broken was when the agents misused their one-time pads. The Venona [nsa.gov] decrypts are a good example of this.
(Wow! First time I've ever linked to the NSA!)
...laura
Re:Time Bomb. (Score:5, Informative)
(http://fennecfoxen.org/)
Try cracking a "numbers station" on your own (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.studentoffortune.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday December 17 2006, @06:47PM)
If this sounds like fun, please consider signing up for the Cerbumi.org site at http://public.cerbumi.org/goons [cerbumi.org] (a "secret back door for a site that normally requires registration) and try to crack the code. Also, please consider checking out the main planning project at http://cerbumi.cerbumi.org [cerbumi.org] and our Flash-based demo at http://cerbumi.org/flash [cerbumi.org]. I'd love to hear your thoughts, too... just reply.
Jenny, don't change your number (Score:1)
(http://www.storix.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday August 20 2006, @03:39PM)
Top Of The Pops! (Score:3, Interesting)
Hotel [archive.org]
Foxtrot [wilcoworld.net]
"Most interesting strings...?" (Score:1)
So... who's the guy that determines which strings are more interesting than others? That's what I want to know...
boring! (Score:1)
i miss the weekend evenings of listening to Pirate radio - Captain Eddie & his Radio Airplane, Dr. Tornado and Joe Mamma, frequencies like 7385KHz & 6955KHz have not had any good listening lately, i sure wish i knew of some other frequencies to monitor because dialing thru 30 megahertz of bandwidth is just too much to search thru in a single evening...
HELLO WORLD (Score:2)
(http://ettlz.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday February 12 2006, @06:53PM)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday October 29, @07:20AM)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
I try so hard... (Score:4, Funny)
(http://www.meden.us/ | Last Journal: Tuesday June 22 2004, @09:22PM)
"a great All Things Considered story from a few years back about Akin Fernandez's 'Numbers' CD, a CD compilation of some of the most interesting strings of randomly read numbers"
Interesting... random numbers... Ok, so my friends were right.
Numbers Rule! (Score:1)
Anyone got info on this one? (Score:2)
(http://www.valerieandevi.be/)
I think this is to keep all those 'conspiratists' busy decrypting random data instead of real transfers going on on other channels.
Better... (Score:2)
for the price of a dime... (Score:1)
Truly random digits? I doubt that. (Score:1)
Shortwave Station Leaders - nothing sinister (Score:3, Informative)
When a station moves to a new frequency, they continue to play a unique identifier tune and read out the frequencies where the station may be received better. For example, 39715 would be 39MHz715.
Others may simply be a station transmitting automated junk, in order to 'occupy' the channel, so that someone cannot apply to the IETF to use the unused channel. Since they all have these number voice systems to announce their frequencies, it is logical to use that system to occupy the channel with random junk.
Re:Shortwave Station Leaders - nothing sinister (Score:5, Interesting)
Take the old Radio Moscow transmitter in East Berlin, for example. You are quite right that such HF broadcasts would often end with a looping tape containing info on what freq(s) the site would be transmitting next. Well and good.
Eventually, though, the tape ends and the transmitter shuts down. Fine. Now all you're listening to is a whole lot of nothing but white noise, right? STAY ON THE FREQ FOR ANOTHER 5-10 MINUTES. Suddenly another carrier comes up, and a woman's voice starts. On the Radio Moscow freq she would always start with "Achtung, achtung," then proceed to read-off a long string of number groups (NOT freqs!). When done, she would finish with "Ende," and the carrier would immediately drop.
Still sound like a freq change notice to you?
Triangulation to locate sources? (Score:3, Interesting)
I don't have any shortwave equipment myself, but it seems that would be a very interesting project.
It would be quite exciting, say, to discover signals originating from a mountain in Wyoming
This is pretty sweet. It's a very interesting strategy. Shortwave receivers are easy to come by, do not arouse suspicion, and no one can detect that you are listening in.
Re:Triangulation to locate sources? (Score:4, Funny)
(http://www.killerbob.ca/)
Given the right atmospheric conditions, you can pick up the signal decades later: one of the coolest things that ever happened to me was picking up battle chatter from Vietnam while on a training exercise with Army Signals. I'm 25. It was eerie people die in a transmission that was sent before I was born.
Re:Triangulation to locate sources? (Score:5, Insightful)
The number of reflections that an HF signal would undergo in a decade of bouncing around anything the size of the earth, is simply astronomical. The efficiency of reflection would have to be similarly astronomical.
Let alone enough of the signal staying intact to still hear several seconds of it (enough to identify it as Vietnam chatter).
Re:Triangulation to locate sources? (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.victors.ca/)
I know I have heard a signal I sent, bounce right around the earth and come back to our receiver a few mins later. I also remember picking up a signal on Military frequences in Northern Ontario (I was in the Canadian Military) that originated down in Florida, evidently on a Taxi transmitter, judging by the conversation I had with the guy when I asked him to leave our channel.
Radio is fascinating stuff, its a shame its losing its popularity to the Internet and computers, because its still a very neat and geeky technology.
Get Lost (Score:1)
(http://www.dynamicdna.org/)
The fate of the world depends on you posting these numbers to slashdot every 108 minutes.
Thanks,
Hanso
8675309 (Score:2)
Yosemite Sam station in the US (Score:2, Interesting)
(http://www.graflex.org/klotz)
Cuban spy station uses Morse Code (cut-numbers) (Score:2)
(http://www.graflex.org/klotz)
So instead of 1 (*----) they send A (*-), and instead of 2 (**---) they send U (**-), and 3 (***--) becomes V (***-), etc.
Not code but keys? (Score:3, Insightful)
The info is then sent by email, ground mail, radio, etc. encrypted with that key.
So not only would there be nothing to crack, but the vast majority of the numbers would just be noise.
Why would the feds broadcast in the US? (Score:2)
The primary tactical advantage of broadcasting is that it does not reveal who is receiving the message - on a large scale you cannot find the few people who are listening to the broadcasts. This worked well for the saboteurs in Vichy France.
What benefit would you get on friendly territory?
Melissa
Creepy? (Score:1)
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Our *new* overlords... (Score:1)
So many posts, no one has any idea, eh? (Score:2)
A real mystery on our hands...why hasn't any journalist try to interview personnel from these stations? they can not be found?
The Moscow Radiotelephone Station (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/~AB3A/journal | Last Journal: Monday April 30 2007, @10:15PM)
They were once reputed to have closed their broadcast on New Year's Eve with "and greetings to our friends in the CIA." Who says spies have no sense of humor?
OH my God (Score:1)
the number stations are linked to the mayan calendar !!
they are broadcasting number sequences in a coutdown fashion or maybe trying to predict the exact time
of the great cataclysm !!!
these broadcasts are intended for the aliens so they know when its time to launch their take over of the world !!!!!
whoda thunk it the aliens number stations and the mayans are all intrinsically linked TO OUR DEMISE !!!!!
any chance this is mostly bogus? (Score:1)
Re:locating (Score:2)
(http://sc.tri-bit.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday July 08, @02:36AM)
Re:locating (Score:4, Informative)
Yes. Automatic radio direction finding is common and was often used in the cold war. The spectrum is constantly monitored and when a new broadcast pops up, it is automaticaly DF'ed and logged. When several DF sites pickup the same broadcast, triangulation to the source is a simple task.
Here is what a typical DF site looks like. Both the US and Russia have them.
http://www1.shore.net/~mfoster/FLA_Wullen.htm [shore.net]
Re:Why not just use spam (Score:2)
(http://ettlz.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday February 12 2006, @06:53PM)
Re:Interesting but moot (Score:2, Insightful)
(http://www.infamous.net/)
Er, afford a one-time pad? All you need to do is cat /dev/random, or if you're without a computer, spend an hour or two rolling polyhedral dice. Make two copies of your set of random numbers.
Re:How to be an effective spy. (Score:1)
Re:4 8 15 16 23 42 (Score:2)
http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Violent-Femmes/3
Re:Interesting but moot (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Friday December 17 2004, @07:14PM)
Re:How to be an effective sociopath (Score:2)
As long as you're trolling. . , here's another freebie you might want to include in your dossier: If you deliberately disconnect yourself from the human race, you will not be connected when it comes time to share your thoughts as a writer. Being a writer means getting on the same wavelength as your audience and you cannot do this from the sociopath's perspective.
To say that in another way; If you want to be a writer, you will need to have decent communication skills. Your post was difficult to understand, and that's not because the ideas themselves are particularly complex. Humans are very good at connecting dis-connected ideas, but only when they are dis-connected in a way Humans are good at connecting; that is, some types of random taste better than others. You can only know which is which by going native.
Yes, there is an advantage to stepping outside the automatia of the average human head-space. Heck, everybody should strive to step beyond the automatic behavior they run around using 95% of the time. But to do this simply by becoming another type of machine is, in my opinion, A Bad Idea. Pretend to be something long enough and that's what you become. Be careful. Love is the key, not coldness.
-FL