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Microsoft Partners With Zend
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kdawson
on Tue Oct 31, 2006 04:03 PM
from the hell-freezes-over-film-at-11 dept.
from the hell-freezes-over-film-at-11 dept.
jesse.castro writes to point out news of Microsoft striking a multi-year partnership with PHP provider Zend to improve PHP's performance on Windows-based Web servers. From the article: "Rather than marking a sudden change of course, Microsoft is openly engaging in a dialogue with Zend, a key open source promoter, and millions of PHP developers, analysts said."
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It's a trap ? (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.pembo13.com/)
Re:It's a trap ? (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.trailofjames.com/)
LAM-P (Score:1)
beware...the zend of the world is neigh (Score:1)
(http://www.geocities.com/josephbcotton | Last Journal: Tuesday January 10 2006, @09:27PM)
Why are people freaking out? (Score:2, Interesting)
What does this mean for ASP though? Short answer is probably nothing I am guessing, but could this mean something down the road?
This makes me happy. (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.kermodebear.org/)
That said, this confuses me a bit:
Since when was it difficult to run PHP on Windows? I have written code that runs on both Linux and Windows machines, and, like most scripting languages, "it just works". There are a few extensions (like process control) that don't work under Windows - but the need for those extensions is very small. For a vast majority of scripting you don't need to do anything differently under Linux than you do Windows. I wish the article would have gone more in depth about these alleged problems.
Haskell vs PHP (Score:1, Funny)
After Visual Basic... (Score:1, Troll)
(http://www.instascreed.com/)
Worst Case Scenario? (Score:1, Insightful)
Cue R.E.M (Score:1)
Makes sense (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Thursday October 18, @12:52PM)
anything to get more users on IIS (Score:1)
How long will Zend last? (Score:1)
could they last three?
In other news... (Score:4, Funny)
drum roll
drum roll
PHP Sharp, or PHP# for short...
This is the hug of the bear (Score:1, Interesting)
Microsoft has invested in SCO. Do you think they changed their mind about open source one day to the other? No.
I wouldn't be surprised to see more of these deal with other open source firms (think Red Hat, Novell,
The only way to protect open source is by GPL'ing it and keeping it out of the enterprise sphere. Community is harder buy.
what does Zend have worth stealing? (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Thursday July 22 2004, @11:14AM)
Special MS PHP? (Score:5, Interesting)
C++ in Visual Studio is not exactly standards compliant. It's definitely Microsoft specific, as is their: HTML, CSS, XML, Java, TCP/IP stack, HTTP negotiation, LDAP, kerberos, DNS, DHCP, etc., etc. Every "standard" and language they adopt gets altered, even when completely unnecessary.
What on earth will they do to PHP? Assimilate it into
What PHP really needs is a MS SQL driver that doesn't leak memory and cause access violations. Microsoft hasn't supported their C library in years. PHP doesn't need any "help" from Microsoft, IMHO.
a match made in vulnerability hell (Score:3, Funny)
(Last Journal: Wednesday March 01 2006, @12:38PM)
It could just be (Score:2)
This is an unexpected move. At OSS. (Score:2)
Desktop Linux hasn't caught on. Not yet. But PHP has. Like it or not, PHP has turned into the king of the server-side. MS must have noticed how much it's gnawing at ASPs marketshare (Just did a comment on that [slashdot.org] the other day). PHP even has turned into a brigdehead for Linux at this point. That they'd team up with Zend is an unexpected but somewhat fitting move.
I've never really known what to make of Zend. Their PHP groundwork is fair enough, but all-in-all I allways was weary about what they're up to. Their entire Zend Plattform sheebang allways came across to me as somewhat suspicious. Could it be that MS tries to take on OSS via the popular OSS languages? Zend seems to be the right candidate and can - like everyone else - easyly be convinced by a fat wad of MS cash to fork of 90% of their time on 'optimizing' for MS. And we all know what that means.
In the end this can only turn out bad if MS stays with PHP. They are still way to powerfull and have to much mindshare to not overtake things. Joining a Linux shop would be suspicious and they'd give themselves away. Joining a big player of an OSS language though is something entirely different. Zend with PHP is the ideal candidate for such a move.
Right know that I've gone PHP fullscale they do a stunt like this. 'guess I'm gonna continue to keep my Python skills up-to-date aswell.
Thank you, MS, you made my day once again.
Next Target (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/~nurb432/ | Last Journal: Friday August 27 2004, @03:24PM)
Oh god (Score:2, Interesting)
(http://extremecode.org/)
God no. They must be trying to destroy it.
Slashdot logic.
A good thing (Score:4, Informative)
I for one would love to see
A bit of performance would be nice, but chances are I will keep running my servers on Debian simply because that's all they are: brainless webservers with muscle and nothing holding them back.
Obvious theft (Score:1)
They are going to steal key tech from zend and use it in their own web server.
win-php 2009
Business Sense (Score:1)
why? (Score:1)
(http://www.bizzeh.com/)
again and again... (Score:1)
(http://www.algorithman.de/)
I thought it was Sun (Score:2)
but it still doesn't answer whether there will be windows only PHP extensions. Will it be another java type fiasco, this time with incompatible PHP's? I certainly hope not. If this is MS's way of screwing it up so badly that people say "screw PHP", kinda like MS did with CSS and IE, that would royally suck. Zend, and all PHP developers should be very wary.
EWeek already thinks WinPHP best (Score:2)
Pretty much, EWeek found that the OSS stacks run best on Windows. Now, is this because EWeek ran everything without tuning? Possibly. But then again, so do most folks, so the results are pretty valid.
I bet that someone at MS was reading that, too.
jh
Microsoft will sell PHP? (Score:1)
(http://victor.hogemann.eti.br/)
Out of the box, PHP has a terrible performance. Really, it sucks.
Try installing a complex PHP application, like Horde3 for example, and trowing something like 600 simultaneous users at it. Your server will crawl, PHP4 parse every darned line of code every time it has to run the code! Result? 100% CPU all the time... and lots of dropped connections, and timeouts at client side.
The solution was use a third part tool to cache the parsed pages, and gain some performance... Zend does exactly this, but as we didn't had the option to buy anything the solution was the Turck-MMCache [http://turck-mmcache.sourceforge.net/]. It claims a performance boot around 6000%, year that is six thousand percent, and I confirm that.
My point is... If Microsoft begin to sell a PHP version optimized for IIS, and if it performs better (6000 times better) than a vanilla Linux running Apache+PHP... well, Microsoft might be able to take the "P" from LAMP.
Just my $0.02
w.i.m.p. (Score:2)
This is clearly their way to infiltrate the open source LAMP stack:
* W indows
* I nternet Information Server
* M S SQL
* P HP
Clearly, the acronym of the future
*sighs* oh well... (Score:1)
If that means dropping PHP as my primary web-based app. development language and turning to ruby / rails / (jesus even) cfusion / perl etc. so be it...simply on general principle.
How in the world could Zend even consider this?
The whole point of open source is to get away from this kind of hegemony...now they're buying into it?
Time for a change? (Score:2)
(http://symbolset.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday May 26, @11:53PM)
A Quick, Painless Tutorial on the Python Language [ucdavis.edu]
No, this is not off topic. Friends don't let friends use Visual PHP#.net.
Down into the bombshelter (Score:1)
Rats! I was just starting to get the hang of PHP on a Mac... Now, horror, I might have to look at Ruby on Rails http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/30/ 1410205 [slashdot.org]
The main reason for old people is to irritate young people.
PR stunt (Score:2)
Of course, just my imho,
Peter.
Java? (Score:1)
Visual Studio support? (Score:1)
This would allow step-by-step debugging of web applications created with PHP
Re:No problem. Yet. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:No problem. Yet. (Score:1)
Re:Hooray for Microsoft Zend 2007, Ultimate Editio (Score:2)
(http://nimh.org/)
* Netscape [albion.com]
* Palm [redmondmag.com]
* Symantec and McAfee [physorg.com]
* Sendo [theregister.co.uk]
Re:Seems that (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/~gmack/journal)
The funny thing is that even with the current speed penalty PHP has become the second most popular web programming language on windows servers.
Big Freaking Deal (Score:3, Insightful)
The fact that you can pull it off of your apache box at the drop of a hat when righteous indignation strikes means you aren't using it for a single thing that is important. Am I supposed to be impressed that you're taking a stand by removing a product you're not really using?