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IE7 To Ship With Windows Patches Tomorrow [Not]

Posted by kdawson on Mon Oct 09, 2006 01:31 PM
from the ready-or-not dept.
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An anonymous reader writes, "Microsoft plans to push out Internet Explorer 7 as a 'high priority update' when it ships security patches tomorrow, according to Washingtonpost.com's Security Fix blog. That means anyone who has Windows configured to download and install patches automagically from Redmond will be greeted with IE7 next time they boot up their machines. In related news, it appears IE's worldwide market share actually increased a couple of points since July, despite a number of high profile zero-day attacks this year." The article notes that the IE7 "containment wall" protected mode will not be available on XP, but only to those who purchase Vista.

Update: 10/09 21:26 GMT by kd : An anonymous reader points to this Microsoft blog posting where it is revealed that the article linked above is incorrect. IE7 will not be pushed tomorrow.
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  • Thank God (Score:5, Funny)

    by Mateo_LeFou (859634) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:32PM (#16366463) Homepage
    I've been looking forward to that whole tabbed-browsing thing they invented

    • Good or bad news for the web developers? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by YA_Python_dev (885173) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:37PM (#16366561) Journal
      So this is a good or bad news for the web developers (not end users) that want to create useable standards-compliant websites?
        • It's a "bad news" if you want to test in IE6 *and* have a fully patched OS.

          Sure, unless perhaps you know what you are doing [google.com]. Then you can have multiple IEs installed. I have IE5.5, IE6, and IE7 installed on my laptop alongside FF 1.5.whatever so I can do testing. To my right is a dual G5, running safari and ff/mac. IE/mac and Opera aren't even on the radar, the number of visitors using them is statistically insignificant for us. Really that's true of Safari as well but I like to support default web browsers.

          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by pe1chl (90186)
            This does not really work. You can install multiple versions but they will all send the same browser version to the website and the "conditional comment" evaluation is also done using one version.
            That will break the methods you can use to have different versions of the browser looking at the same content in a way compatible to each of them.

      • Re:Thank God (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Mateo_LeFou (859634) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:49PM (#16366795) Homepage
        I think that the majority of people click on anything that says "Internet" when they want to use the internet. Since MS long ago renamed Explorer "The Internet" (via the start menu) that's what they'll use for the foreseeable future.

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by thebdj (768618)
          You aren't kidding. Little story: I was working in mail order at the time, and a gentleman called up in reference to a product the company sold. One of the requirements for the item being sold was that you needed a web browser. The device in question was a GPS system for a laptop, though I am not 100% sure why it needed a browser. Well, this gentleman obviously had a hard time understanding what a web browser was. I even said, "If you are surfing the internet, you have a web browser." The old fool st

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by fprintf (82740)
              My guess is that if you cannot spell "HIPAA" correctly, you won't be working for your current employer for very long. Remember, there are no hippos in HIPAA.

              HIPAA stands for Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. It is so commonly misspelled that the link you provided redirects to the appropriate link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIPAA [wikipedia.org]

  • The article says this month (Score:5, Informative)

    by alta (1263) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:35PM (#16366507) Homepage Journal
    The article has been updated because microsoft will not confirm "tomorrow" but will confirm this month.

    Tomorrow seems a likely time to me...

  • WGA? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Honest Olaf (1011253) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:35PM (#16366511)
    Formerly IE7 was only available to folks who passed WGA, but Windows Update is available to all. Does this mean that IE7 will be distributed to users with non-genuine XP?

  • Praise Allah! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by drinkypoo (153816) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Monday October 09 2006, @01:36PM (#16366535) Homepage Journal
    Anything to get people away from IE6, with which we have to use stupid hacks that don't work reliably to get PNGs to display properly. Not to mention all the box model bullshit. Now maybe I'm just not using esoteric enough markup but every page I've designed for Firefox has worked right in IE7... so, BRING ON THE UPGRADE! IE6 is a sad joke from both the security and standards compliance points of view and Microsoft is doing the right thing.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by nine-times (778537)

      I'm wondering if it's really an improvement. Can't find them, but a while back there were complaints on /. that IE7 fixed enough things that IE6 hacks won't work anymore, but didn't fix the things that people had used the hacks to fix. I haven't seen this myself (I'm not doing web development these days), but supposedly the result of these "fixes" was that pages that displayed properly in IE6 and Firefox (and maybe other browsers) would not display properly in IE7. Therefore, web developers would have to

  • Actually, 'Yay!' (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Odin_Tiger (585113) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:37PM (#16366559) Journal
    Hopefully, it will be weird enough for users to call and ask about it, thus allowing me to weed out the few who are still using IE when they know they're supposed to be using Firefox.

  • no no no (Score:5, Informative)

    by jaiyen (821972) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:39PM (#16366597)
    The RFTA references a post on the Microsoft IE blog that says IE7 is coming 'real soon now' and that it "will be delivered to customers via Automatic Updates a few weeks after it's available for download". How the submitter took that to mean it's going to be automatically for everyone from tomorrow is a mystery.

  • Containment Wall (Score:4, Interesting)

    by TubeSteak (669689) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:40PM (#16366613) Journal
    However, one of IE 7's most useful security features, a protected mode -- billed as a "containment wall" to prevent the browser from installing software or changing computer settings without the user's consent -- will not be available for XP users. That feature will be reserved for users who upgrade to Windows Vista, the next version of the operating system, due in January.
    Is this "Containment Wall" something that can be hacked into working on XP?

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by emarkp (67813)
      Yes, it's typically done by installing Firefox or Opera on XP. It's the proven solution that I use.

  • As an occassional web developer (Score:3, Funny)

    by arevos (659374) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:40PM (#16366621) Homepage
    I was dreading the inevitable process of trying to get a new CSS design working in IE 6; but hopefully now I don't have to :)

  • If you dont want to install it... (Score:4, Informative)

    by jorghis (1000092) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:42PM (#16366657)
    If want to prevent the automatic install MS has a page for you here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/updatemanagement/ windowsupdate/ie7announcement.mspx [microsoft.com]

    It looks like you have the option to just click "no thanks" when it asks you if you want to upgrade to IE7.

  • Tomorrow is not accurate (Score:3, Informative)

    by DigitlDud (443365) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:44PM (#16366691)
    The blog post the article is referring to says it will be pushed out via Automatic Updates a FEW WEEKS after it's available for download. And it's not available for download yet. Somehow I doubt they ment tomorrow.

  • The biggest inconvenience (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ezratrumpet (937206) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:47PM (#16366753) Journal
    ...will be to those people who have no idea when they start their machines that they must endure a lengthy install and restart process before they can get to work.

  • Am I The Only One Concerned? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by The Real Nem (793299) on Monday October 09 2006, @01:56PM (#16366899) Homepage

    I'm sure IE7 is a positive step from IE6, but how big of a resource hog is that shinny new interface? When I updated to Windows Messenger Live (yes I'm aware of the alternatives, but 99% of my friends use it) I couldn't believe how much resources the thing ate up. Right now it's sitting at a ridiculous 48 MB of memory usage.

    More to the point, how much of IE7 is integrated into the kernel and how much memory does it consume when I'm not even using it? How does it affect boot times? I'm unlikely to use it for anything I don't have to so I think I'll be avoiding it for as long as possible.

  • How to avoid a possible disaster - For Admins (Score:5, Informative)

    by mgpeter (132079) on Monday October 09 2006, @02:25PM (#16367347) Homepage

    This is for all the Network Admins for Windows Networks.

    If you do not want Automatic Updates to Install IE7 when it is released then just set the following registry key on every workstation:

    Registry key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Setup\7.0
    Key value name: DoNotAllowIE70

    * When the key value name is not defined, distribution is not blocked.
    * When the key value name is set to 0, distribution is not blocked.
    * When the key value name is set to 1, distribution is blocked.

    NOTE: This is highly recommended as everytime I dealt with any Major release from Microsoft things started getting trashed. Microsoft should NOT Automatically deploy this in this way.

    For lazy/Proficient Admins here is a Kixtart Script to do this on a list of computers over the network: NoAutoIE7.txt [pcc-services.com]

  • Why so cagey? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by LordSnooty (853791) on Monday October 09 2006, @02:26PM (#16367359)
    I've spent the day co-ordinating my department's response to the auto-install of IE7, since several of our apps are incompatible. We've had to block it with the reg key. But why are they so cagey about the actual release date? "This month" isn't good enough, I need a precise date if I'm to avoid a phalanx of users unable to use business-critical web sites. What can be so hard about it? Have they not set a date themselves? If not, why say "this month"? They bang on in their blog about how we ought to be ready, and here's a load of tools to help you, but we won't give you the exact date, that would ruin the game, right?
    • explanation of the pro's and con's of putting IE7 on my XP box?

      Sure:

      - Pros: you get the latest Microsoft software that hopefully *fixes* the previous version
      - Cons: you get the latest Microsoft software that *hopefully* fixes the previous version

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by pe1chl (90186)
      not too quick... the CSS support in IE7 still sucks badly when compared with competing browsers.
      sure it is better than IE6, but don't assume your valid CSS will work OK in IE7, it probably will not.
    • With this news, though, I can go back to writing real CSS! This will save me so much time!

      No, it won't. IE7 doesn't improve CSS support that much. Yes, they fixed it a bit, but it's mostly the same.

      IE7 = tabs + new UI

      What I don't understand is why it took them so much time to release this crap. I guess that because IE is tied into XP and so many things depend on it they spent most of the time trying to track down regressions from crappy 3rd progarms

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