Extent of Government Computers Infected By Bots Uncertain

Krishna Dagli writes to mention findings by the company Trend Micro on the extent of bot infection in U.S. Government computers. The article by Information Week indicates that, while the 'original' findings were much harsher, the security vendor has since backed down from some of its claims. Still, the extent to which information-stealing software has penetrated our national infrastructure is enough to take note. From the article: "While it may be tempting to discount the warnings of security vendors as self serving--bot fever means more business for Trend Micro--there's unanimity about the growing risk of cybercrime. In its list of the top 10 computer security developments to watch for in 2007, released last week, the SANS Institute warns that targeted attacks will become more prevalent, particularly against government agencies. 'Targeted cyber attacks by nation states against U.S. government systems over the past three years have been enormously successful, demonstrating the failure of federal cyber security activities,' SANS director of research Alan Paller says in an e-mail. 'Other antagonistic nations and terrorist groups, aware of the vulnerabilities, will radically expand the number of attacks.'"

No Problem...

Just get some draino for those tubes!

Why, that means

- we have a new excuse for legalising illegal wiretapping and making it mandatory for Americans' PCs to spy on their owners! Because if we don't, those strangely elusive terrorists will have won. Again.

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That would mean holding government people to the same laws as civilians. When do we do that?

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That would mean holding government people to the same laws as civilians. When do we do that?

Daily.

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If we did that, Bush would have been executed a few years ago.

Wouldn't it be fitting...

Wouldn't it be fitting if TM discovers, after its review of those 6TB of data, that the majority of bots are operating from within their own network, and from within those of their peers in the security industry. It would be a fitting irony.

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But they would never 'discover' that, because they can't sell themselves or their peers security software. A more newsworthy headline, even aside from the fact that 'Extent of Government Computers Infected by Bots Uncertain' really has no relevant meaning

Granny != Uncle Sam

Insert the standard grumbling about government mismanagement and IT provided by the lowest bidder, but this is really extra sad. If people like me can keep bots off our grandmothers' computers for the low, low price of a smile, a hug, and some melted sweets which date back to the Carter administration, why can't the people who built the damn Internet manage?

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Because many of Uncle Sam's employees have the tech skills of granny. Just like a home users, convenience often trumps security - "don't break the mission!"

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"No generalization is worth a damn, including this one." - Oliver Wendell Holmes.

Neither is yours.

I work for a Federal agency (see my post below) and we have a large number of skilled IT workers (some as contractors, some as Feds) that diligently keep our

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I think you need a reality check.

The US government is a large, diverse entity with over a million people working for it in places all over the world. It takes a lot of money to make it work, and as with any government, that money has to be coerced out of

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I can see you don't know much about your own government, if you are American.

What part of "large" and "diverse" don't you understand? The US Government is comprised of a number of cabinet level Departments, each of which is separately managed and funded.

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Because nobody wants to be hugged by 50 year old suits?

Eeeewwww....

Now you put me right off my feed...

Must find suitable brain eraser for that mental image...

Bots accounting for questionable browser habits

How many of these bots are there to generate hits for porn sites thus making the employees look bad?

It's the bureaucracy that's the biggest problem

As someone who has worked in government IT, I can tell you that the biggest problem that we faced security-wise was the bureaucracy of the government. Want to hire a consultant, buy a piece of security software? Then you have to go through the long and arduous procurement process (forget any nimbleness or adapatability). Want to fire someone who is incompetant? Forget it (firing anyone is a HUGE pain in the ass, especially in the federal system). What you end up with in government IT (and, hence cyber-security) is often a bunch of guys used to doing the same thing every day; never learning anything new; who have grown burned-out, disenchanted, and cynical with the whole process.

-Eric

And Yet Still Windows

I know it's always fashionable to bash Windows here on /., but stories like this really do beg the question of why the government is not seriously looking at a more secure operating platform. In particular, while Linux is not perfect, it would be much less likely to fall prey to the ills that are epidemic on Windows without much, if any, added cost post transition. I suppose someone will have to die before getting off of Windows is seriously considered, if even then.

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In particular, while Linux is not perfect, it would be much less likely to fall prey to the ills that are epidemic on Windows without much, if any, added cost post transition.

I am not convinced that OSS is really all that more secure than closed-source

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I think the real reason that you see so many security vulnerabilities is because you have experts (not just script kiddies, but blackhat experts) trying to break into Windows on a daily basis.

That may be an aggravating factor, but it's definitely not the

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The problem is, the employees will not be able to use it. To us, using one operating system or another isn't really a big deal, but to your average office worker, it's a huge shift.
I have seen users struggle to use XP after learning windows 2000. To the

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Because they typically will not pay enough for competent IT staff and admins.

Government IT jobs are some of the lowest paying and have the absolutely lowest job satisfaction. Government does not want idea people, they want people that will do what they ar

It's just the Patriot Act

Spying/eavesdropping/wiretapping? That's just the Patriot Act, come on. You guys made it legal yourselves, and now you're complaining when others do it back to you? Maybe I'm concerned about terrorists running this country, so I should be able to eavesd

Budget cutbacks and incompetence

I used to work both as a consultant, and an LTE for a department of a state government. I did software development, all of our Network resources were managed by the Department of Administration (DOA, appropriately enough). DOA may have started out as a good idea, one centralized agency that maintained licensing, contracts, support, purchasing, etc... But cutbacks led to them continuously cutting pay and positions. By the time I left, the only representatives from the DOA that I knew of were two LTE college students, and one former manager who took a demotion to a tech position to stay employed (which just happened to bump one of the last skilled technicians out of the department).

Anyways, under their watch we had numerous security breaches. One of our servers was hosting a child porn collection and IRC channel. Another server had been crippled by viruses, and we had seen other signs of intrusion time after time. The child porn server was confiscated by the FBI when they tracked it down. They returned the server to the DOA when they had finished so that the DOA could learn from the breach and correct the security issue, but there was no one employed with the DOA who could identify the failure or what to do about it.

Anyways, my rough guess is that given what I've seen of state networks, I would think they are heavily botnetted. The other side of the public sector though, atleast the Marine Corps network, is a pretty impressive setup. I've seen those guys in action and I would be extremely suprised if there is a lick of traffic that escapes their pipes with out their express knowledge.

-Rick

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"I've seen those guys in action and I would be extremely suprised if there is a lick of traffic that escapes their pipes with out their express knowledge."

I'm terrible with conversions, but isn't 1 lick approximately equal to 142 bytes?

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Unfortunatly, I'm not finding anything good on Google when searching for Lick to Byte. I could probably increase the responses by turning off safe search though...

-Rick

Re:Don't bet on it

There were a few notables I saw while I was active duty in the Marine Corps as a 4067 (Computer Programmer). My first experience with the MITNOC was in Okinawa, Japan. One of the network/pc techs had put up a geocities page that had references to UNC paths inside the network. It worked great for him because he could go to any PC on any of the bases and get to all of the tools/software/installs he needed for most of his work. The links were only worth a damn if you could get into the network though. Unfortunately someone else (I believe it may have been 'Hackers for Girls') also discovered the links. The same weekend in 1998 that CNN was disrupted, the MITNOT (Located in Quantico, VA) noticed a huge flood of attacks on the Oki network. With in a few hours, the MITNOC had the website taken down, a mirror image of the PC tech's hard drive, his browsing history for the last 3 months (printed and digital), and 3 Marines on a plan to Japan.

Another notable environment I saw was one of the Office buildings in Quantico, VA. Each new building for the most part had it's own network design team that would configure the building prior to people moving in, and they would design and configure everything. Once the regular staff showed up, the design team would hand off control of the network to the local IT department. The guys at the Marsh Center had this down to a science. When I left Quantico, the only thing those networks would get out of their chairs for was to clear a printer jam or replace failed hardware. Everything else was locked down, automated, network pushed, and other whys control remotely. A truly beautiful environment for both the IT support team, and us developers.

-Rick

this takes $$$ time and energy

If an Agency is willing to spend the money, time and energy to put in place the protections that the typical Government information system deserves, this wouldn't be a problem.

My agency uses a multi layered defense to protect us against these issues. There are network level protections, PC level protections and desk-side support level protections. We also regularly send out warnings about current threats as well as require personnel to undergo annual IT security awareness training.

Individual PCs that are found to be broadcasting unknown signals to unknown or unverifiable outside destinations are removed from the network and reimaged immediately.

If, from a complaint to the help line, we find that a PC is infected with spyware, we don't even try to remove it; it is immediately reimaged.

We have instituted a locked down desktop policy; users are NOT allowed admin access except through application to a special committee for good business cases, based upon the use of special software that requires such access to run. We bend over backwards to alter those situations to avoid that access whenever possible.

Laptops are imaged using an image that is encrypted using a good encryption program that encrypts the entire hard drive using a 512 bit key, and NO laptops are allowed to be bought without going through our recieving process where that image is installed.

We have spent millions of dollars of your tax money in the last five years bringing this system online, but now that we have, we believe that we have as safe a system that we can get without just unplugging it or spending twice as much.

We don't have classified material, but we do have information that is confidential by law and must be protected from public release. (proprietary information belonging to firms we regulate.) This limits the measures we need to use, since classified material requires a completely different level of protection.

If the VA had used a system like ours, they would never have been embarrassed by the recent theft. The theft may still have occurred, but the information would never have been at risk.

It is not a perfect system, and it takes constant dilligence to maintain and periodically upgrade, but I think we do a pretty good job.

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So um... What exactly do we need to protect with all that security at the United States Forest Service?

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If you work for the Feds you know how the different Departments have differing tasks, goals and operational environments. I'm sure that your employees wouldn't like their SSAN's and other personal information open for all the world to see!

trojan task ..

.. multi layered defense .. network level protections, PC level protections and desk-side support level protections .. annual IT security awareness training .. reimaged immediately .. a special committee .. encrypted .. recieving process where that image i

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Uh, what do you exactly mean by "trojan"? Our department isn't disguising itself as something it isn't, like a trojan is usually defined. We are integral to the FDA being able to do its job without outside interferance with IT operations.

I work for the F

read a book ..

"Our department isn't disguising itself as something it isn't, like a trojan is usually defined"

The story goes that a war was fought by the Achaeans against the city of TROY for ten years. They built a Wooden Horse and hid in it until the trojans broug

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Sorry, didn't relate the work 'trojan" with what is usually described with the (also) Greek name-derived word "herculean", which, I think is more often used to mean a large, difficult task. Usually the trojan war is refered to in modern literature as being

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..sorry, I meant "word" trojan...

fat fingers...bad eyes didn't see the error until after I hit submit.

The difference is

"If you work for anybody but yourself, you are spending someone else's money, so what?"

The difference is that only the government forcibly takes people's money under threat of imprisonment.

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That's true, but people at our level don't have anything to do with either the coersion or the allocation of that money, now do we? I won't feel bad about that, after all, at least some of that money was mine! You ARE aware that Federal employees pay inc

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The key is, of course, part of the software that encrypts the hard drive, and yes, is based upon the password. Our agency forces the use of long passwords, from 8 - 16 characters, mandating the use of capital letters, lower case letters, and numbers.

Yes,

Headline &/or summary should say WINDOWS

These problems are endemic to the Windows universe, yet the headline and summary give no clue. Obviously the ignorant market needs more help to make the connection between Windows and unnecessary risk.

If it had been a Linux problem, the headline would ha

Re:Headline &/or summary should say WINDOWS

Obviously the ignorant market needs more help to make the connection between Windows and unnecessary risk.

No, the ingorant market needs to make the connection between incompetent or overworked system admins and unnecessary risk. Now, Windows may be *harde

Speaking of which

Commerce Department Targeted; Hackers Traced to China [washingtonpost.com]

Hackers operating through Chinese Internet servers have launched a debilitating attack on the computer system of a sensitive Commerce Department bureau, forcing it to replace hundreds of workstations and block employees from regular use of the Internet for more than a month, Commerce officials said yesterday.

The attack targeted the computers of the Bureau of Industry and Security, which is responsible for controlling U.S. exports of commodities, software and technology having both commercial and military uses. The bureau has stepped up its activity in regulating trade with China in recent years as the United States increased its exports of such dual-use items to the growing Chinese market.

Hard Break: Simple Solution

The Goverment has too much infrastrucutre to just change their operating systems, and far too many potential compromises in the form of hundreds of thousands of employees (millions?). To ask them to make the sweeping and drastic changes to all their agenci

Okay ... tie this to the porn and gambling article

Bots don't come from CNN and slashdot.

The observed porn and gambling surfing by govt employees becomes a national security risk.

Govt computers are some of the worst....

Government machines have the distinction of being extremely insecure. There are lots of reasons, government requirements to contract out to "8A" corporations being one of them. "8A" corporations are small companies that the goverment has to sling a percent

Huh? Government Workers == Bots!

This is surprising. I was always under the impression that all government computers were infected by bots.

Oh, wait - my bad. I thought it said that all government computers were operated by bots.

Nevermind.

The Government is a juggernaut

And that's why it generally fails against any kind of sophisticated online attack, no matter what form this attack takes. It's the same for huge companies, btw. Vast amounts of money, the ability to hire every and any brain available to counter the attack,

Little Help Here?

Hey, if any of the people running these bot nets is reading this, can you get in touch with me? I'd like to get the aggregated personal tax return information for the past thirty years or so, so I can do a fact-based analysis of shifts in wealth distributi

nobody headed DHS warning against using MS IE

not one organization at the state or local level took any action when the Department of Homeland Security(DHS) put out a warning against using MS Internet Explorer when a major risk was found and left open by Microsoft for over 3 months. Heck, three depart

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I suppose this was inevitable. Of course, there are more federal agencies whose job it is to dole out your tax dollars than there are keeping you safe from those dag-blasted ter'rists.

I suspect those non-military, non-law-enforcement agencies are the bigg

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A better alert system is this one [geekandproud.net]. We never want it to get to Elmo because that is bad news.

The war on cyber terrorism doesn't seem to be of any concern to the current administration.

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